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Feb 20, 2020 13:29:28   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Kickaha wrote:
Just as a matter of clarification on abortion, Catholic and Jewish religions are usually attacked for not believing in abortion for any reason. This is not true. Under both religions, if it comes to saving the life of the mother or the unborn child, they say to save the mother. The CDC, among others, have tried to study how many of the abortions performed are actually medically necessary. They have gone so far as to request the information on the abortions with all identifying information removed. This is the only procedure/health issue that they cannot get information on. Abortion organizations and abortion doctors refuse to provide the data.
Just as a matter of clarification on abortion, Cat... (show quote)


I've listened to an interview of a Dr stating there is no such thing as aborting a baby to save the life of the woman .

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Feb 20, 2020 14:58:40   #
JoyV
 
4430 wrote:
It is a shame that abortions are so easy to get and I as well don't see why it takes so long to adopt !

Good friend of mine who has 2 kids of their own has adopted 3 Chinese kids and they found out that adoptions speed up if they are adopting a child that has physical or health problems which is what they did all three had some sort of health problems .

https://www.lifenews.com/2012/07/09/thirty-six-couples-wait-for-every-one-baby-who-is-adopted/



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-adoption-domestic-waits-idUSBRE90E15Y20130115
It is a shame that abortions are so easy to get an... (show quote)


One reason there are not more children available for adoption is even though the foster care system is so overrun, and even if the child will never be returned to the parents; he can't be adopted without the parent's certified written consent. And even then, if theu change their mind, the child protective services and courts can't get past the idea that it is always best for the child to eventually be returned to the biological parent's care.

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Feb 20, 2020 16:52:18   #
Sonny Magoo Loc: Where pot pie is boiled in a kettle
 
PeterS wrote:
What I love about Cruz is that he encapsulates, in one person, all that is wrong with conservatism--It's fine to regulate the reproductive rights of a woman but men are supposed to be exempt?


From someone who thinks progressives stand for "progress forward "....
But in reality they are nothing but BOLSHEVIKS

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Feb 20, 2020 20:16:27   #
Boy from the Bronx
 
no propaganda please wrote:
It is to the progressives, who are fine with killing children after they are born, and many of them also believe that, do to global warming and limited food supplies, people after a certain birthday has passed would be required to commit suicide. For now they are pushing for no medical care for old people, because we are now useless.


Oh really? Name one "progressive" who has advocated making children commit suicide when they reach a certain age, or wants to deny medical care for the elderly because now, they're allegedly "useless." I thought the progressives were all in favor of affordable medical care for anyone who can't afford it, including senior citizens.

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Feb 20, 2020 20:30:20   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
4430 wrote:
I've listened to an interview of a Dr stating there is no such thing as aborting a baby to save the life of the woman .


As I understand it, the left includes babies that have died in uterus and the dead body must be removed as aborting a baby to save the mother.

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Feb 20, 2020 20:46:56   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
no propaganda please wrote:
As I understand it, the left includes babies that have died in uterus and the dead body must be removed as aborting a baby to save the mother.


O I C but that isn't comparing apples to apples !

Of course a dead baby needs to be removed to save the mothers life , but there is no need to abort a live baby to save a mothers life !

Aborting babies then along comes the euthanasia of the mentally impaired , elderly etc etc

We have no value placed on human life anymore !

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Feb 20, 2020 22:34:16   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
JoyV wrote:
One reason there are not more children available for adoption is even though the foster care system is so overrun, and even if the child will never be returned to the parents; he can't be adopted without the parent's certified written consent. And even then, if they change their mind, the child protective services and courts can't get past the idea that it is always best for the child to eventually be returned to the biological parent's care.


The system is corrupt, and maybe evil.

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Feb 21, 2020 13:44:24   #
JoyV
 
Boy from the Bronx wrote:
Oh really? Name one "progressive" who has advocated making children commit suicide when they reach a certain age, or wants to deny medical care for the elderly because now, they're allegedly "useless." I thought the progressives were all in favor of affordable medical care for anyone who can't afford it, including senior citizens.


Since when is either leaving a baby to die without sustenance, or harvesting parts while baby is still alive, suicide? The first has been endorsed by multiple government officials including Virginia govenor Governor Ralph Northam. New York Governor Cuomo signed into law a bill to allow abortion until birth; it even removes penalties for infanticide. A vote to prevent after birth abortions was passed in the Senate with ALL but 3 Democrats voting in AGAINST preventing after birth abortions. I've provided a list.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/03/13/feminism-radical-liberal-feminists-embrace-abortion-infanticide-vagina-sculpture-column/3084414002/

The second was admitted to by an abortion dictor with planned parenthood. Dr Forrest Smith, an obstetrician-gynecologist who performed abortions in California who has performed about 50,000 abortions, testified not only that Planned Parenthood and other abortion clinics were selling aborted baby parts for profit, but babies were often born alive, then murdered, in order to ensure the organs to be sold were more fresh and intact.

As for progressives denying care for the elderly and disabled, there are several examples. The most widespread is the UN pressuring NHS to adopt guidelines prioritizing medical care for those under 65. Although the guidelines will not be binding, health experts warn that the UN will disapprove of countries who do not follow them.

In Canada, assisted suicide is not onlylegal, it is encouraged and provided by the state for elderly and disabled. https://www.lifenews.com/2019/08/21/disabled-41-year-old-man-is-euthanized-after-funding-for-home-health-care-runs-out/ Health care rationing is also accepted in the UK. And legislators in the US are speaking in favor of similar legislation.

This is from a Wikipedia article on health care rationing.
By age
In the US, the discussion on rationing healthcare for the elderly began to be noticed widely in 1983 when economist Alan Greenspan asked "whether it is worth it" in referring to the use of 30% of the Medicare budget on 5–6% of those eligible who then die within a year of receiving treatment. In 1984, the Democratic governor of Colorado, Richard Lamm, was widely quoted but claimed to have been misquoted as saying that the elderly "have a duty to die and get out of the way."[33]

Medical ethicist Daniel Callahan's 1987 Setting Limits: Medical Goals in an Aging Society[34] discusses whether healthcare should be rationed by age. He calls the elderly "a new social threat" and selfish and for age to be used as a criterion in limiting healthcare. Callahan's book has been widely discussed in the America media, including the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, and "just about every relevant professional and scholarly journal and newsletter."[35] One of the major arguments against such age-based rationing is the fact that chronological age, by itself, is a poor indicator of health.[36] Another major argument against Callahan's proposal is that it inverts the Western tradition by making death a possible good and life a possible evil. Amherst College Jurisprudence Professor Robert Laurence Barry called Callahan's view "medical totalitarianism."[37][page needed] One book-length rebuttal to Callahan from half-a-dozen professors who held a conference at the University of Illinois College of Law in October 1989 was in 1991's Set No Limits: a Rebuttal to Daniel Callahan's Proposal to Limit Health, edited by Robert Laurence Barry and Gerard V. Bradley, a visiting professor of religious studies at the University of Illinois at Urbana–Champaign.[37][page needed]

Obama quote after denying his grandmother hip surgery due to her age, “We as a culture and as a society [can start] to make better decisions within our own families and for ourselves,”

Billionaire Bloomberg, now attempting to purchase the U.S. Presidency for himself, also supports rationing healthcare for American seniors, saying providing them access will “bankrupt us.”

Socialist Bernie Sanders’ Medicare-For-All scheme would radically change the way health care is covered, doing away with all private health insurance, replacing it with a government run system, would include limitations on medical services for the elderly or infirmed (i.e. disabled).

Elizabeth Warren also supports health care rationing for the high cost users such as elderly and disabled.



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Feb 21, 2020 18:27:39   #
son of witless
 
Why is it okay to kill a baby inside of the mother, and it is against the law to do the same thing after he or she is born ?

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Feb 21, 2020 21:28:15   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
son of witless wrote:
Why is it okay to kill a baby inside of the mother, and it is against the law to do the same thing after he or she is born ?


As of right now son of witless if a baby is born in a botched abortion they are left to die with no attempt to provide medical care !

Mankind has become an evil and wicked lot it's all about ME ME ME I don't care if they kill babies !

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Feb 21, 2020 21:35:53   #
Cuda2020
 
America 1 wrote:
Again how do you justify your post, without answering with BS?


You guys are laughable, really. I just did, where's yours? Your justification?

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Feb 21, 2020 21:37:00   #
Cuda2020
 
no propaganda please wrote:
He doesn't because he can't


I really can't help your lack of comprehension.

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Feb 21, 2020 21:42:52   #
Cuda2020
 
JoyV wrote:
Your definition does not jive with the prominant progressive activists. Is blocking highways an example of flowing rather than blocking? In fact, it is a favorite action of progressive activists to block access.

And how does BAMN meet your criteria? Antifa? Planned Parenthood? PETA and the HSUS?

And here's something progressives would rather not admit.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/03/corporate-leaders-progressive-activists/


Prominent progressives, I didn't know that the radicals of a party have now become the definition of the party, if that's the case the right conservative has had a lot to worry about because that would mean the radical right now defines conservatism, not a good thing but a clear answer why supremacists and the KKK have massively grown under Trump.

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Feb 21, 2020 21:49:51   #
Cuda2020
 
no propaganda please wrote:
As I understand it, the left includes babies that have died in uterus and the dead body must be removed as aborting a baby to save the mother.


To think the left has abortions compared to the right is ignorance beyond any sense of reality. The right live their lives through faux images of reality, never being able to face simple truths. As far as I know, there is not a place on the admittance form to ask what party you belong to, but give it time, under Trump, like Hitler, it'll come if allowed.

And you, you'll believe anything your party hands you being a good little tool. Try and think if you can... what women would go through the pains of carrying any child full term to want to lose it.

Stupid people who spew ugly sh*t disgust me.

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Feb 21, 2020 21:58:13   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:


And you, you'll believe anything your party hands you being a good little tool. Try and think if you can... what women would go through the pains of carrying any child full term to want to lose it.

Stupid people who spew ugly sh*t disgust me.


Apparently so because abortion seems to be A OK right up to birth !

You seem to be stupid enough to spew ugly sh*t which is disgusting to the rest of us !

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