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Dec 4, 2019 19:32:24   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
woodguru wrote:
Because fundamentalists make a caricature out of christianity, they seem to have no relation to christian values that apply to the good aspects of how you treat fellow man.


You are totally clueless !

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Dec 4, 2019 20:03:10   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
That certainly sounds good in theory, but you might want to take a refresher course in Catholicism; they are instructed to obey their pope and church doctrines without question, as they are told he is literally Jesus' representative on earth.

You or, certainly, I, would walk away from any organization that placed such demands on us, but, if indoctrinated since childhood, and told this man can shut the door into heaven, and keep you out, you might well kowtow to his claimed authority.

Reading the Bible for oneself to learn God's will for His church, which is the congregation of believers, not the building, is the only antidote.



2quick4u wrote:
But, he is still human..and we are ALL imperfect..him included. We also ALL have 'free will' and are not legally bound nor morally obligated to accept anything we (personally) don't agree with and/or approve of. Of course accepting responsibility for your choice(s) obviously goes with this..but this IS between you and whatever 'higher authority' (and it's beliefs) you have chosen to recognize and follow (and noone else).

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Dec 4, 2019 22:25:30   #
Sonny Magoo Loc: Where pot pie is boiled in a kettle
 
Zemirah wrote:
By Michael Snyder/End of the American Dream
December 04, 2019


Why is it that everyone wants to attack Christian fundamentalists these days?

On the political front, globalism may have lost some momentum, but in religious circles who practice politics, it is steaming right along.

The push for a one world religion is happening right out in the open, and very few people seem alarmed by it.

On November 18th, Pope Francis made some extremely controversial remarks, but those remarks really didn't get much attention from the mainstream media. Of course if the Pope had targeted the LGBTQ community or some other favored "in group," it would have instantly made headlines all over the globe.

But he didn't. Instead, Pope Francis specifically attacked fundamentalists, and in today's world that is considered to be politically correct and perfectly okay. The following comes from the official transcript of the remarks that the Pope made on the 18th of November.:

"Beware of the fundamentalist groups: everyone has his own. In Argentina too there is a little fundamentalist corner. And let us try, with fraternity, to go forward.

Fundamentalism is a scourge and all religions have some kind of fundamentalist first cousin there, which forms a group."

Ostensibly, these remarks apply to fundamentalists from all religions. But by mentioning Argentina, the Pope made it exceedingly clear who his real target was.

There aren't any "Muslim fundamentalists" or "Hindu fundamentalists" in Argentina. The fundamentalists that he was referring to are the Christian fundamentalists in Argentina, and in the very next sentence he denounced such people as "a scourge".

Of course "a scourge" is another way of saying "a plague", and what do we try to do to "a plague" when one breaks out?

That is something to think about.

We reported on the tremendous growth of Evangelicals (while Catholics saw deep declines) in Argentina in one of our news reports last week. These dramatic changes have no doubt caught the Pope's attention.

And although the term "fundamentalist" is now sometimes used to refer to other religions, from the very beginning it has always been a Christian term. The following comes from the Encyclopedia Britannica...

"Christian fundamentalism, movement in American Protestantism that arose in the late 19th century in reaction to theological modernism, which aimed to revise traditional Christian beliefs to accommodate new developments in the natural and social sciences, especially the theory of biological evolution.

"In keeping with traditional Christian doctrines concerning biblical interpretation, the mission of Jesus Christ, and the role of the church in society, fundamentalists affirmed a core of Christian beliefs that included the historical accuracy of the Bible, the imminent and physical Second Coming of Jesus Christ, and Christ's Virgin Birth, Resurrection, and Atonement."

Fundamentalism became a significant phenomenon in the early 20th century and remained an influential movement in American society into the 21st century.

So what is a "Christian fundamentalist"?

Well, it is basically someone that believes the Bible is literally true, that believes that Jesus Christ died for our sins and rose again, and that believes that Jesus is coming back someday.


In other words, the Pope considers millions upon millions of American Christians to be a plague that is infecting our planet.

During those same remarks on the 18th of November, the Pope also once again pushed his "interreligious cooperation" agenda.:

"As I said during the World Conference of Human Fraternity: "There is no alternative: we will either build the future together or there will not be a future. Religions, in particular, cannot renounce the urgent task of building bridges between peoples and cultures.

The time has come when religions should more actively exert themselves, with courage and audacity, and without pretence, to help the human family deepen the capacity for reconciliation, the vision of hope and the concrete paths of peace" (4 February 2019). Our religious traditions are a necessary source of inspiration to foster a culture of encounter.

It is fundamental for there to be interreligious cooperation, based on the promotion of sincere and respectful dialogue that goes towards unity without confusion, maintaining identities. But a unity that transcends the mere political pact."

This Pope has become increasingly aggressive in his efforts to foster unity among the various major religions of the world.

Last month, he held a much publicized meeting with Thailand's supreme Buddhist patriarch Somdej Phra Maha Muneewong. That historic meeting was held at Bangkok's famous Ratchabophit Temple, and the Pope met with the Buddhist patriarch directly in front of a 150-year-old gold statue of Buddha. The Pope even removed his shoes as a sign of respect for the Buddhist temple.

Pope Francis also brought a gift for the Buddhist patriarch. It was a copy of a document entitled "Human Fraternity for World Peace and Living Together" which the Pope and the Grand Imam of Al-Azhar both signed in Abu Dhabi last February. The following is what Vatican News had to say about the exchange of this gift.:

'Pope Francis presented gifts to the Supreme Buddhist Patriarch, including a copy of the Abu Dhabi Declaration on "Human Fraternity for World Peace and Living Together". The Pope signed the document together with the Grand Imam of Al-Azhar, during his visit to the United Arab Emirates in February this year.'

According to Cardinal Ayuso, including the Abu Dhabi Declaration among the gifts exchanged, highlighted the importance of spreading its message on Human Fraternity for peace and coexistence beyond the Middle East to Asia.

"Human Fraternity for World Peace and Living Together" sounds like an innocent title, but it is actually a loose blueprint for uniting the various religions of the world.

For example, at one point in the document it specifically says that the fact that there is such a diversity of religions in the world has been "willed by God in His wisdom"...

"The pluralism and the diversity of religions, colour, sex, race and language are willed by God in His wisdom, through which He created human beings. This divine wisdom is the source from which the right to freedom of belief and the freedom to be different derives. Therefore, the fact that people are forced to adhere to a certain religion or culture must be rejected, as too the imposition of a cultural way of life that others do not accept"

In other words, this document is saying that God is pleased with all of the religions of the world and that they exist because it was His will for them to do so.

And the document concludes with an appeal for "reconciliation and fraternity" among the various religions of the world in order that "universal peace" may be achieved...

In conclusion, our aspiration is that:

this Declaration may constitute an invitation to reconciliation and fraternity among all believers, indeed among believers and non-believers, and among all people of good will;

this Declaration may be an appeal to every upright conscience that rejects deplorable violence and blind extremism; an appeal to those who cherish the values of tolerance and fraternity that are promoted and encouraged by religions;

this Declaration may be a witness to the greatness of faith in God that unites divided hearts and elevates the human soul;

this Declaration may be a sign of the closeness between East and West, between North and South, and between all who believe that God has created us to understand one another, cooperate with one another and live as brothers and sisters who love one another.

This is what we hope and seek to achieve with the aim of finding a universal peace that all can enjoy in this life."


https://www.prophecynewswatch.com/article.cfm?recent_news_id=3655#I7QUIGzgVMlrv1Zd.99
By Michael Snyder/End of the American Dream br De... (show quote)


Luther was right 500 years ago and nothing has changed. The catholic church lost its way a thousand years ago. The Bible is the centerpiece of Christianity and a fundamentalist believes it.
The puritans were fundys before America existed. It's not new. The article is junk.
The Pope is a liar and servant of Satan.
Universalism is not new. It was in the Garden.
Nothing has changed.

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Dec 4, 2019 23:09:31   #
2quick4u Loc: Somewhere in central Tx...
 
Zemirah wrote:
That certainly sounds good in theory, but you might want to take a refresher course in Catholicism; they are instructed to obey their pope and church doctrines without question, as they are told he is literally Jesus' representative on earth.

Reading the Bible for oneself to learn God's will for His church, which is the congregation of believers, not the building, is the only antidote.

Z-I was brought up Catholic, and I understand they want me to believe w/o question, but I will not carte blanche accept something another human has proclaimed..even if they're professing to be speaking for a 'higher authority' whom we both respect..if I genuinely feel the the intent (of this human) is misguided or just innocently wrong. I have principles too, and consider myself capable of determining what's best for me, and will ultimately accept the consequences for my actions. If this Pope suddenly said "God want's everyone to jump off a cliff" in order to send a msg to whoever, and for whatever reason, do you expect everyone who believes in God to run find a cliff to jump off of, simply b/c we're supposed to treat whatever he say's as absolute gospel? Maybe I'm a bad 'Christian'..but I'm not going to do that unless I see some compelling (to me) reason. I also do not think (voluntarily) self-sacrificing ourselves by 'reaching out' to the muslim barbaric way's of life and activities (b/c of it's current teachings that all people are not equal and/or worthy of consideration) is the answer-they need to make some significant changes FIRST... All some of them have said is 'we are peaceful and ignore the bad stuff promoted in our koran'..and that's it-sorry..but that's not going to do. This will come down to a 'us or them' in the end-they've made this perfectly clear. This guy has already made some other determinations I totally disagree with too..but I will 'forgive' him (at some point) for being human just like the rest of us...

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Dec 5, 2019 05:21:57   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
You're right, Sonny,

in that the Bible has not changed, and God declared in Malachi 3:6 "For I am the LORD, I change not;" in Matthew 24:35 Jesus said, "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away."

however, our culture has changed, and the Bible is under attack from many different fronts, as never before since the formation of this country.


Sonny Magoo wrote:
Luther was right 500 years ago and nothing has changed. The catholic church lost its way a thousand years ago. The Bible is the centerpiece of Christianity and a fundamentalist believes it.
The puritans were fundys before America existed. It's not new. The article is junk.
The Pope is a liar and servant of Satan.
Universalism is not new. It was in the Garden.
Nothing has changed.

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Dec 5, 2019 06:53:21   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
The Eight Beatitudes Of Jesus

"Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are they who mourn,
for they shall be comforted.

Blessed are the meek,
for they shall inherit the earth.

Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they shall be satisfied.

Blessed are the merciful,
for they shall obtain mercy.

Blessed are the pure of heart,
for they shall see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they shall be called children of God.

Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."


Gospel of St. Matthew 5:3-10


Your statement is quite abstract.
What are the Christian values, specifically, you find lacking?


woodguru wrote:
Because fundamentalists make a caricature out of christianity, they seem to have no relation to christian values that apply to the good aspects of how you treat fellow man.

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Dec 5, 2019 07:05:30   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Zemirah wrote:
The Eight Beatitudes Of Jesus

"Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are they who mourn,
for they shall be comforted.

Blessed are the meek,
for they shall inherit the earth.

Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they shall be satisfied.

Blessed are the merciful,
for they shall obtain mercy.

Blessed are the pure of heart,
for they shall see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they shall be called children of God.

Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."


Gospel of St. Matthew 5:3-10


Your statement is quite abstract.
What are the Christian values, specifically, you find lacking?
The Eight Beatitudes Of Jesus br br "Blesse... (show quote)


Thanks for this response...

I have always loved these...

Truly enlightening

Amen...

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Dec 5, 2019 07:10:04   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
“We have brought the world together as far as we can politically. To bring about a true world government, the world must be brought together spiritually. What we need is a United Nations of Religions.”

Robert Muller – Former Assistant Secretary General at the UN

Revelation 13 prophesies that just this kind of a world governing system will be established and ruled by the Antichrist. The same chapter foretells of the world religion and global economic system that will be used to enforce the edicts of the Antichrist and cause the entire world to pledge allegiance to his global authoritarian system.

We are, in many ways, already functioning under the tentacles of an ever-encroaching global governing system. The World Health Organization, International Monetary Fund, and World Trade Organization of the United Nations are all entities among many more designed for nothing other than to govern the entire planet.

Major efforts by the Vatican to build a bridge between Catholics and multiple religious leaders around the world, including Islamic, has met with great success. It is the continuation of a decades-old attempt to gather all religions into an all-inclusive global religious community, and it is in the last stages of development.

The question is not will a one-world religion be formed, but how close are we to its culmination?


Carol Kelly wrote:
The Bible plainly states that there will always be wars and rumors of war. If a one world religion is established, it will be Muslim and a great number of dead Christians.
They are all over the world and no one is fighting back. As long as we all just roll over
this will continue.

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Dec 5, 2019 07:17:19   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
In my humble estimation, none of them have been, however, other than the unprecedented resignation of Francis's predecessor, Pope Benedict; Francis was elected by the Cardinals of Catholicism in the same procedure used for centuries.



Carol Kelly wrote:
Pope Francis is not a real Pope.

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Dec 5, 2019 07:18:58   #
Cuda2020
 
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
No,he's a globalist.


As was Jesus, was he not?

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Dec 5, 2019 07:24:12   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
To those well steeped in their church's history, it is obvious this pope does not yet begin to parallel the outrageous behavior of the medieval popes, - and they were tolerated.


bahmer wrote:
I wonder how Doc110 feels about all of this and if he has bought into this new popes message?

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Dec 5, 2019 07:42:19   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Zemirah wrote:
“We have brought the world together as far as we can politically. To bring about a true world government, the world must be brought together spiritually. What we need is a United Nations of Religions.”

Robert Muller – Former Assistant Secretary General at the UN

Revelation 13 prophesies that just this kind of a world governing system will be established and ruled by the Antichrist. The same chapter foretells of the world religion and global economic system that will be used to enforce the edicts of the Antichrist and cause the entire world to pledge allegiance to his global authoritarian system.

We are, in many ways, already functioning under the tentacles of an ever-encroaching global governing system. The World Health Organization, International Monetary Fund, and World Trade Organization of the United Nations are all entities among many more designed for nothing other than to govern the entire planet.

Major efforts by the Vatican to build a bridge between Catholics and multiple religious leaders around the world, including Islamic, has met with great success. It is the continuation of a decades-old attempt to gather all religions into an all-inclusive global religious community, and it is in the last stages of development.

The question is not will a one-world religion be formed, but how close are we to its culmination?
“We have brought the world together as far as we c... (show quote)


Close... Very close.... God be thanked...

An acceptance of all God's children in their struggle to know Him...

Amen...

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Dec 5, 2019 08:38:45   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Good for you if you have the strength of character to realize that the decisions you must make to secure your salvation are in your own hands and Jesus Christ, rather than the hierarchy of a worldly institution.

Forgiveness is in God's hands, and it requires repentance, i.e., change in belief and behavior. A church organization that has declared itself to be infallible cannot repent...
without individual genuine spiritual conviction by the Holy Spirit.

The pope is not "just like the rest of us," as this "guy" has voluntarily taken upon himself an office with immense power over the spiritual lives and beliefs of ca. one and one third billion people. He literally believes he speaks for God, but he does not literally believe in God's written Word, and that is a problem for him and for those who obey him.

There are an estimated 1.3 billion Catholics in the world, according to Vatican figures. The world's current population is 7.8 billion, so roughly 16% of the World's population is Catholic.

There are 2.2 billion Muslims in the world. They are 24% of the world's population.

An alliance between just these two of the earth's major religious groups, Roman Catholicism and Islam, will combines 40% of the earth's population (approximately ten billion people.)



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Z-I was brought up Catholic, and I understand they want me to believe w/o question, but I will not carte blanche accept something another human has proclaimed..even if they're professing to be speaking for a 'higher authority' whom we both respect..if I genuinely feel the the intent (of this human) is misguided or just innocently wrong. I have principles too, and consider myself capable of determining what's best for me, and will ultimately accept the consequences for my actions. If this Pope suddenly said "God want's everyone to jump off a cliff" in order to send a msg to whoever, and for whatever reason, do you expect everyone who believes in God to run find a cliff to jump off of, simply b/c we're supposed to treat whatever he say's as absolute gospel? Maybe I'm a bad 'Christian'..but I'm not going to do that unless I see some compelling (to me) reason. I also do not think (voluntarily) self-sacrificing ourselves by 'reaching out' to the muslim barbaric way's of life and activities (b/c of it's current teachings that all people are not equal and/or worthy of consideration) is the answer-they need to make some significant changes FIRST... All some of them have said is 'we are peaceful and ignore the bad stuff promoted in our koran'..and that's it-sorry..but that's not going to do. This will come down to a 'us or them' in the end-they've made this perfectly clear. This guy has already made some other determinations I totally disagree with too..but I will 'forgive' him (at some point) for being human just like the rest of us...
Z-I was brought up Catholic, and I understand they... (show quote)

Pope John Paul II kissing Qur'an w/Patriarch Raphael I of Iraq
Pope John Paul II kissing Qur'an w/Patriarch Rapha...

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Dec 5, 2019 08:49:51   #
Mike Easterday
 
This Pig called Pope , should be in a prison. Let's start with his child molesting organization ! Then aid and comfort to Muslim terrorists!

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Dec 5, 2019 12:30:18   #
Sonny Magoo Loc: Where pot pie is boiled in a kettle
 
Matthew 23:9.
Enough of the lies of Satan.

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