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Dec 2, 2019 14:13:53   #
bilordinary Loc: SW Washington
 
ACP45 wrote:
Point taken.

Now Kevyn, regarding the two charts on the previous page in my response to weasel, please tell me why you believe vaccines were responsible for reducing deaths caused by Whooping Cough, and Diptheria, when deaths were already sharply declining between the years 1880 to 1940 when vaccines for those illnesses were first introduced.

The death rate for Measles was almost non-existent when the vaccine was first introduced around 1960, yet everyone is led to believe that the vaccine was responsible for the decrease.

The decline in death rate for Scarlet Fever occurred without the introduction of any vaccine.

On the other hand, the rate of autism and death of children under 5 is significantly higher in the US than any of the other countries shown in that chart, which have a much lower number of vaccines administered to children under 5 yrs of age. It does not take a huge jump in reasoning to appreciate that young children have an immature immune system, and that administering aluminum and mercury as adjuvants overwhelms their immune system. Please tell me again why you refuse to draw the obvious conclusion that the large number of vaccines our young children receive represent a high degree of risk.
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A stupid stance for Kevyn, doctors right you wrong STFU.

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Dec 2, 2019 14:53:44   #
Tug484
 
ACP45 wrote:
"The flu shot has long been known to be one of the most problematic and ineffective vaccines on the market."

Are you willing to spend 10 minutes of your time to listen to a fact based presentation on a serious discussion of this issue?

https://youtu.be/TEdlAvhN9jU


I've never had one.

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Dec 2, 2019 15:08:27   #
bilordinary Loc: SW Washington
 
MR Mister wrote:
The molecule makeup of drugs is not the same as the molecule makeup of medals. The iron in your food is not the same iron in your chassis in your car. Same for the molecule mercury in a vaccine, which is a preservative as a matter of fact. Each year a few million or so die from the flu. But whatever pulls your chain.


https://www.naturalhealth365.com/vaccines-metals-2517.html

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Dec 2, 2019 15:28:28   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
ACP45 wrote:
"The flu shot has long been known to be one of the most problematic and ineffective vaccines on the market."

Are you willing to spend 10 minutes of your time to listen to a fact based presentation on a serious discussion of this issue?

https://youtu.be/TEdlAvhN9jU


I can't as in my sound doesn't work. Everytime I had a flu shot a few days later I came down with the flu. Now there are strains that they can't touch.

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Dec 3, 2019 06:36:33   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
bilordinary wrote:
https://www.naturalhealth365.com/vaccines-metals-2517.html


Thanks for passing along this additional information. But those who need to read it will not, because they already know everything there is to know, or they will attack the source as "fake news" because it comes from a site that does not get advertising revenue from big pharma.

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Dec 4, 2019 07:47:30   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
"The National Childhood Vaccine Injury (NCVIA), ....has ...already paid out approximately $4 billion to compensate families of vaccine injured children. As astronomical as the monetary awards are, they’re even more alarming considering HHS claims that only an estimated 1% of vaccine injuries are even reported to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS).

If the numbers from VAERS and HHS are correct – only 1% of vaccine injuries are reported and only 1/3 of the petitions are compensated – then up to 99% of vaccine injuries go unreported and the families of the vast majority of people injured by vaccines are picking up the costs, once again, for vaccine maker’s flawed products. Furthermore, this act safeguards pharmaceutical companies from harm, meaning that they cannot be sued or blamed, nor held accountable for their products causing injury. Therefore, vaccines are a liability free product that are being mandated on children, the manufacturers have no incentive to make a safe product." The National Childhood Vaccine Injury (NCVIA), because it’s already paid out approximately $4 billion to compensate families of vaccine injured children. As astronomical as the monetary awards are, they’re even more alarming considering HHS claims that only an estimated 1% of vaccine injuries are even reported to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS).

https://www.collective-evolution.com/2019/12/03/reasons-why-many-people-refuse-the-flu-shot-facebook-has-no-right-censor-this-information/

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Dec 4, 2019 11:39:47   #
MR Mister Loc: Washington DC
 
May I point out that Small Pox is now extince do to vaccine's. As well Polio.

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Dec 4, 2019 16:11:44   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
MR Mister wrote:
May I point out that Small Pox is now extince do to vaccine's. As well Polio.


Concerning your comment on Polio, you may want to check the chart and see how the death rate had declined substantially prior to the introduction of the vaccine. I can't speak about Small Pox, but the same logic that accounted for the decline of Typhoid, Scarlet Fever, Measles Diptheria, and Whooping Cought would apply to Small Pox as well.



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Dec 25, 2019 15:37:46   #
bilordinary Loc: SW Washington
 
ACP45 wrote:
"The flu shot has long been known to be one of the most problematic and ineffective vaccines on the market."

Are you willing to spend 10 minutes of your time to listen to a fact based presentation on a serious discussion of this issue?

https://youtu.be/TEdlAvhN9jU


This here--shared- - ..👏👏👏 CHECKMATE 👏👏👏👏 🗣🗣🗣🗣 ☠️ I spent a few hours researching and doing some math so we can look closely at the hard facts and data that we know for sure. This is going to be a really important post- IMO- so bare with me.

Maybe this has already been done, but I wanted to do it myself either way. This will be complete with sources at the end so you can fact check.

I am tired of medicine pushers dismissing and acting like these numbers are irrelevant or we cant do math, so please share this with whoever you need to making completely false statistics claims.

Total Petitions to the VICP court including adjudications since 1989: 39,224

Total Payout since 1989: $4,194,495,832 (yes- this is billions)

So, let’s average out these numbers over 30 years:

That would be 1,308 injuries per year.

A payout of our tax money of $140 million dollars PER YEAR that they even determined were something they would offer to settle on which of the 39,224 cases, has only been 6770 since 1989 because good luck proving a vaccine injured you to HHS, when you are suing HHS.

Another fun fact about VICP is that they will choose ONE case of 1500+ or a small amount that will determine the outcome for ALL the other cases.

How often do you think that people are aware they have a vaccine injury? Then once they are aware of the vaccine injury, they are aware of vaccine injury court?

Let’s take the Harvard Lazarus study, and say that this is 1% of reactions are ever reported.

I filtered the VAERS data to filter out any reactions that weren’t disability or death. Disability includes but not limited to paralysis, blindness, tics, guillan barre syndrome ect

In 2018 alone, there were 166 deaths reported, 862 serious lifetime disabilities= Total SERIOUS injuries and deaths for last year = 1,028 = 10,028 per year if the full reactions had been reported.

If we are to assume this is 1% and we average this out over the last 30 years, the vaccine program has disabled or killed around 4 million people. This is not including any other reactions.

Here were the cases reported for “vaccine preventable diseases” as of 2017 (last full report available)

Diphtheria= 0 Cases 0 deaths
Measles= 120 cases 0 deaths
Mumps= 6,129 cases 0 deaths
Pertussis= 18,975 cases 5 deaths
Polio= 0 cases 0 deaths
Rubella= 12 cases 0 deaths
Tetanus= 33 cases 0 deaths

Total cases of diseases we vaccinate for= 25,249

165 total deaths (including Flu and pneumonia)

The percent of the target population vaccinated for the largest number of cases, diphtheria was at 98% in 2017 which is over the required threshold of ‘herd’ immunity for pertussis and yet that had the most reported cases.

The data itself proves that synthetic herd immunity is not real.

In summary:

165 deaths by anything we have a vaccine for out of a population of 327 million per year.

10,028 deaths and severe disabilities by vaccination per year- 99% not being reported at all or gas-lighted.

Why are you afraid of these benign illnesses?

Why are we discussing vaccine status when these numbers are so insignificant? The answer to this question should reveal to you the corruption in our government agencies for even bringing this up in the first place, much less create laws around these statistics.

They created a problem. They sold you the problem, and now are acting like heroes.

It wasn't hard because Americans are lazy. A magic shot to keep you from getting sick is an easy sell.

To give you even more perspective on how insignificant these numbers are:

Heart Disease deaths per year: 635,260
Suicide Deaths per year: 44,965
Stroke deaths per year: 142,142

I CALL YOUR FEARS OF DISEASE AND UN-VACCINATED CHILDREN INTO QUESTION AGAINST THE FACTS.

Believing that Vaccines protect you from anything is a religion because if you took the time to read these numbers, you would know how ridiculous you are.

CHECKMATE

VICP statistics: https://www.hrsa.gov/…/d…/data-statistics-september-2019.pdf

Harvard Lazarus study on VAERS:
https://healthit.ahrq.gov/…/r18hs017045-lazarus-final-repor…

WHO Statistics
http://apps.who.int/immunization_m…/globalsummary/countries…

CDC Data on all causes of death in 2017- Diseases are found on page 57
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr68/nvsr68_09-508.pdf
cdc.gov

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Dec 25, 2019 17:45:21   #
debeda
 
bilordinary wrote:
This here--shared- - ..👏👏👏 CHECKMATE 👏👏👏👏 🗣🗣🗣🗣 ☠️ I spent a few hours researching and doing some math so we can look closely at the hard facts and data that we know for sure. This is going to be a really important post- IMO- so bare with me.

Maybe this has already been done, but I wanted to do it myself either way. This will be complete with sources at the end so you can fact check.

I am tired of medicine pushers dismissing and acting like these numbers are irrelevant or we cant do math, so please share this with whoever you need to making completely false statistics claims.

Total Petitions to the VICP court including adjudications since 1989: 39,224

Total Payout since 1989: $4,194,495,832 (yes- this is billions)

So, let’s average out these numbers over 30 years:

That would be 1,308 injuries per year.

A payout of our tax money of $140 million dollars PER YEAR that they even determined were something they would offer to settle on which of the 39,224 cases, has only been 6770 since 1989 because good luck proving a vaccine injured you to HHS, when you are suing HHS.

Another fun fact about VICP is that they will choose ONE case of 1500+ or a small amount that will determine the outcome for ALL the other cases.

How often do you think that people are aware they have a vaccine injury? Then once they are aware of the vaccine injury, they are aware of vaccine injury court?

Let’s take the Harvard Lazarus study, and say that this is 1% of reactions are ever reported.

I filtered the VAERS data to filter out any reactions that weren’t disability or death. Disability includes but not limited to paralysis, blindness, tics, guillan barre syndrome ect

In 2018 alone, there were 166 deaths reported, 862 serious lifetime disabilities= Total SERIOUS injuries and deaths for last year = 1,028 = 10,028 per year if the full reactions had been reported.

If we are to assume this is 1% and we average this out over the last 30 years, the vaccine program has disabled or killed around 4 million people. This is not including any other reactions.

Here were the cases reported for “vaccine preventable diseases” as of 2017 (last full report available)

Diphtheria= 0 Cases 0 deaths
Measles= 120 cases 0 deaths
Mumps= 6,129 cases 0 deaths
Pertussis= 18,975 cases 5 deaths
Polio= 0 cases 0 deaths
Rubella= 12 cases 0 deaths
Tetanus= 33 cases 0 deaths

Total cases of diseases we vaccinate for= 25,249

165 total deaths (including Flu and pneumonia)

The percent of the target population vaccinated for the largest number of cases, diphtheria was at 98% in 2017 which is over the required threshold of ‘herd’ immunity for pertussis and yet that had the most reported cases.

The data itself proves that synthetic herd immunity is not real.

In summary:

165 deaths by anything we have a vaccine for out of a population of 327 million per year.

10,028 deaths and severe disabilities by vaccination per year- 99% not being reported at all or gas-lighted.

Why are you afraid of these benign illnesses?

Why are we discussing vaccine status when these numbers are so insignificant? The answer to this question should reveal to you the corruption in our government agencies for even bringing this up in the first place, much less create laws around these statistics.

They created a problem. They sold you the problem, and now are acting like heroes.

It wasn't hard because Americans are lazy. A magic shot to keep you from getting sick is an easy sell.

To give you even more perspective on how insignificant these numbers are:

Heart Disease deaths per year: 635,260
Suicide Deaths per year: 44,965
Stroke deaths per year: 142,142

I CALL YOUR FEARS OF DISEASE AND UN-VACCINATED CHILDREN INTO QUESTION AGAINST THE FACTS.

Believing that Vaccines protect you from anything is a religion because if you took the time to read these numbers, you would know how ridiculous you are.

CHECKMATE

VICP statistics: https://www.hrsa.gov/…/d…/data-statistics-september-2019.pdf

Harvard Lazarus study on VAERS:
https://healthit.ahrq.gov/…/r18hs017045-lazarus-final-repor…

WHO Statistics
http://apps.who.int/immunization_m…/globalsummary/countries…

CDC Data on all causes of death in 2017- Diseases are found on page 57
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr68/nvsr68_09-508.pdf
cdc.gov
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HOLY macaroni!!

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Dec 27, 2019 07:14:08   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
bilordinary wrote:
This here--shared- - ..👏👏👏 CHECKMATE 👏👏👏👏 🗣🗣🗣🗣 ☠️ I spent a few hours researching and doing some math so we can look closely at the hard facts and data that we know for sure. This is going to be a really important post- IMO- so bare with me.

Maybe this has already been done, but I wanted to do it myself either way. This will be complete with sources at the end so you can fact check.

I am tired of medicine pushers dismissing and acting like these numbers are irrelevant or we cant do math, so please share this with whoever you need to making completely false statistics claims.

Total Petitions to the VICP court including adjudications since 1989: 39,224

Total Payout since 1989: $4,194,495,832 (yes- this is billions)

So, let’s average out these numbers over 30 years:

That would be 1,308 injuries per year.

A payout of our tax money of $140 million dollars PER YEAR that they even determined were something they would offer to settle on which of the 39,224 cases, has only been 6770 since 1989 because good luck proving a vaccine injured you to HHS, when you are suing HHS.

Another fun fact about VICP is that they will choose ONE case of 1500+ or a small amount that will determine the outcome for ALL the other cases.

How often do you think that people are aware they have a vaccine injury? Then once they are aware of the vaccine injury, they are aware of vaccine injury court?

Let’s take the Harvard Lazarus study, and say that this is 1% of reactions are ever reported.

I filtered the VAERS data to filter out any reactions that weren’t disability or death. Disability includes but not limited to paralysis, blindness, tics, guillan barre syndrome ect

In 2018 alone, there were 166 deaths reported, 862 serious lifetime disabilities= Total SERIOUS injuries and deaths for last year = 1,028 = 10,028 per year if the full reactions had been reported.

If we are to assume this is 1% and we average this out over the last 30 years, the vaccine program has disabled or killed around 4 million people. This is not including any other reactions.

Here were the cases reported for “vaccine preventable diseases” as of 2017 (last full report available)

Diphtheria= 0 Cases 0 deaths
Measles= 120 cases 0 deaths
Mumps= 6,129 cases 0 deaths
Pertussis= 18,975 cases 5 deaths
Polio= 0 cases 0 deaths
Rubella= 12 cases 0 deaths
Tetanus= 33 cases 0 deaths

Total cases of diseases we vaccinate for= 25,249

165 total deaths (including Flu and pneumonia)

The percent of the target population vaccinated for the largest number of cases, diphtheria was at 98% in 2017 which is over the required threshold of ‘herd’ immunity for pertussis and yet that had the most reported cases.

The data itself proves that synthetic herd immunity is not real.

In summary:

165 deaths by anything we have a vaccine for out of a population of 327 million per year.

10,028 deaths and severe disabilities by vaccination per year- 99% not being reported at all or gas-lighted.

Why are you afraid of these benign illnesses?

Why are we discussing vaccine status when these numbers are so insignificant? The answer to this question should reveal to you the corruption in our government agencies for even bringing this up in the first place, much less create laws around these statistics.

They created a problem. They sold you the problem, and now are acting like heroes.

It wasn't hard because Americans are lazy. A magic shot to keep you from getting sick is an easy sell.

To give you even more perspective on how insignificant these numbers are:

Heart Disease deaths per year: 635,260
Suicide Deaths per year: 44,965
Stroke deaths per year: 142,142

I CALL YOUR FEARS OF DISEASE AND UN-VACCINATED CHILDREN INTO QUESTION AGAINST THE FACTS.

Believing that Vaccines protect you from anything is a religion because if you took the time to read these numbers, you would know how ridiculous you are.

CHECKMATE

VICP statistics: https://www.hrsa.gov/…/d…/data-statistics-september-2019.pdf

Harvard Lazarus study on VAERS:
https://healthit.ahrq.gov/…/r18hs017045-lazarus-final-repor…

WHO Statistics
http://apps.who.int/immunization_m…/globalsummary/countries…

CDC Data on all causes of death in 2017- Diseases are found on page 57
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr68/nvsr68_09-508.pdf
cdc.gov
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Great post. But for many here on OPP, you can lead them to water, but you can't make them drink!

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Dec 27, 2019 16:42:58   #
bilordinary Loc: SW Washington
 
ACP45 wrote:
Great post. But for many here on OPP, you can lead them to water, but you can't make them drink!


They go for the cool aid every time!

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