woodguru

What you will call out either party on has everything to do with your integrity, especially on something that is so wrong there isn't anything gray about it. There is so wrong that any court in the land should be able to call it. We saw that in what is perhaps the most blatantly sleazy partisan controlled state house in the country, few states have stooped to this level.

I know for a fact that the outrage, the hue and cry if dems pulled a stunt like this would never end, how about when it's the Grand Old Party?

The GOP in North Carolina made a formal agenda notification for the house declaring that there would be no votes taken, they are meeting on simple procedural issues. They pick a time when dems are attending a memorial ceremony for 9/11, and show up in full force. They take a vote with full GOP representation, no dems there. There are so many things wrong with this it's hard to count.

So the question is can those on the right say this is not okay, or is the decline in moral integrity so bad that you can look at it as an acceptable form of winning at any cost? Those who can't easily speak out unconditionally that this is wrong are why the right is earning their reputation for having no morals.

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article234962017.html

woodguru

And I want to point out that failing to call out your party opens the door to a complete breakdown of order and procedural rules, nobody with any common sense minds losing fair fights, except those who say if dems win there will be bloodshed. Those who say that are the party that doesn't care how they win.

Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

They justify it all. It sickens me.

Lonewolf

This is why I say our country and our way of government is broken Beyond repair no amount of voting will ever get us out of this mess because all all we get to vote for are Crooks or want to be Crooks not one of them cares about this country it's all about filling your pockets all I can say is from where I stand it doesn't look like there's going to be a good ending to this.

woodguru

Why doesn't it surprise me that there is no right wing input here? All they would have to say is rhetoric about how bad dems are which is their way of saying they will allow their party to do anything.

vernon

I wonder why you being so moral and upright haven't called out your hero's for their low life games they played by actually spying on a candidate for president . Or I'm sure the little game with the dossier that was created by a whole bunch of government workers is certainly high on your list. I could fill a page with
crap they have pulled in the last 2 1/2 years.

Rose42

Would you call out YOUR party? Nice words but unless you do too they don’t mean much.

Both parties say the same thing and both fail to do so.

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

ImLogicallyRight

If it is true as you say it, I would say it is wrong.

But I'm from Chicago and Illinois. That is nothing.

From today's local news. We had a Democrat County Clerk for 24 years. Not a hint of a scandal. He retired and the new, Democrat County Clerk managed in one year to get a call for an Inspector General to investigate her office for patronage hiring and trying to force out people in protected positions so she can hire her own people. And a prominent local attorney, famous for going after patronage in the area is already planning to sue her in Federal Court over her blatant actions. In only one year.

Yes, you call out the shit wherever you see it and the whole party backs them virtually every time. That is our disgusting politics of the day from both parties. Now, let's see you bring up something against the Democrats some time instead of your cheap bias.

woodguru

You are trying to falsely equivocate irrelevant things that can't be proved to be true compared to a kind of blatancy that is completely unacceptable. It is the job to spy on people who are having relationships with enemy countries, spying on potential security risks is what the CIA and FBI does. Trump people lied about over a hundred contacts with Russians that they did not disclose, that in and of itself gives reason to "spy" if that's what you want to call this.

woodguru

You think that thing you are talking about is in the same ballpark as playing stupid games with votes that should be conducted honestly and openly? You have to clean up and watch your own party, and the other side not doing it does not mean you can allow yourself and your party to display this kind of a lack of integrity. Dems have gotten rid of senators and representatives when they are involved in scandals, the right won't touch theirs.

I back election security laws, the right won't say a thing about the failure of the senate and white house to do anything.

woodguru

You say that like you don't even think it happened, it is big news and not going away. Read the reporting, it is wrong and it is up to everyone to be a voice of reason where this kind of crap is happening.

vernon

You are wrong and as far as not proveable all this your spouting has been disproven over the last 2 years.

As far as the fbi cia spying on their boss that's going to get them jail time. Afteer all they are not the KGB ,not yet anyway.

woodguru

This thing is bigger in terms of having more involved than was even covered here.

The bill they pulled this crap on was a budget bill the governor vetoed. Rather than work to try to modify a bill that favored corporate interests at the expense of schools and people, they fought tooth and nail to push for a veto override which they could not get, so they resorted to lying and cheating and pulling a fast one. Obviously there was a concerted and orchestrated move to represent that there would be no votes taken, and the 9/11 memorial that the GOP should have also been a priority took a back seat to an underhanded move.

Chances are this will be challenged legally, but the senate has to veto this as well.