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Sep 7, 2019 15:35:44   #
jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana
 
Rose42 wrote:
Do tell everyone how much you care for your fellow man for there is no evidence you do in any of your posts.

This guy shouldn’t be quoting a book he clearly doesn’t understand.


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Sep 7, 2019 15:41:50   #
jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana
 
TommyRadd wrote:
Part 2

• God will punish the Israelites by destroying their unborn children, who will die at birth, or perish in the womb, or never even be conceived (Hosea 9:10-16).

Once again, the dishonesty of the author of the above false conclusion is on open display.

First note the very first words above: "God will punish...", thus the death of these disobedient servants of Yahweh will be carried over to their children. These deaths that leftists are claiming are justified, WERE PUNISHMENTS!!! Leftists are thus implying only that they, by being likewise disobedient to God, are justified in being likewise punished!

To understand God's justice in such a case, one needs to hear what His word explains. For example:

"The soul who sins, he shall die: the son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son; the righteousness of the righteous shall be on him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be on him." Ezekiel 18:20

This whole chapter in Ezekiel refutes the whole doctrine of "Original Sin". What confuses some people, who are prone to jumping to conclusions, is that God does say this:

"you shall not bow yourself down to them, nor serve them, for I, Yahweh your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and on the fourth generation of those who hate me," Exodus 20:5

"Visiting the iniquity" simply means we inherit traits of our parents, both genetically, and morally, by being influenced by them as they raise us. It doesn't mean children will be eternally damned or justified by their parent's actions. On that, God is very clear:

"5But if a man is just, and does that which is lawful and right... 9... he is just, he shall surely live, says the Lord Yahweh.
10If he fathers a son who is a robber, a shedder of blood, and who does any one of these things... 13... he shall not live: he has done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be on him." Ezekiel 18:5-13

So, God's word is simply teaching us, A) that the actions of our lives have consequences, and B) those consequences don't only affect ourselves, and C) no one will be punished with eternal death who hasn't personally committed their own sin.

Jesus said this:

"Don't be afraid of those who kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul. Rather, fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna." Matthew 10:28

No murderer, abortionists included, have the power to kill a soul. Only God has that authority. Now here's an amazing statement:

"Precious in the sight of Yahweh is the death of his saints." Psalm 116:15

That is because,

"1For we know that if the earthly house of our tent is dissolved, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal, in the heavens...4For indeed we who are in this tent do groan, being burdened; not that we desire to be unclothed, but that we desire to be clothed, that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life... 8We are courageous, I say, and are willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be at home with the Lord. 9Therefore also we make it our aim, whether at home or absent, to be well pleasing to him. 10For we must all be revealed before the judgment seat of Christ; that each one may receive the things in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad." 2 Corinthians 5:1-10

And-

"He will wipe away from them every tear from their eyes. Death will be no more; neither will there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain, any more. The first things have passed away." Revelation 21:4

So then, unborn babies, who have a value to God equal to post-birth humans, will not have done anything by which they are guilty of death. God is actually duty-bound to give them a free pass to eternal life.

"28 We know that all things work together for good for those who love God, for those who are called according to his purpose." Romans 8:21

"He said to the disciples, 'It is impossible that no occasions of stumbling should come, but woe to him through whom they come! 2 It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea, rather than that he should cause one of these little ones to stumble.'"Like 17:1-2

• For rebelling against God, Samaria's people will be killed, their babies will be dashed to death against the ground, and their pregnant women will be ripped open with a sword (Hosea 13:16).

Once again, post and pre-born babies are morally equivalent. If this weren't the case, as the lying author concludes, why would the loss of the lives of the pre-born even be worth mentioning?

• Jesus did not express any special concern for unborn children during the anticipated end times: "Woe to pregnant women and those who are nursing" (Matthew 24:19).

Neither did he justify aborting unborn human babies. But he did say this:

“Don’t think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn’t come to destroy, but to fulfill." Matthew 5:17


The writer of the subject article has been proven to be a liar and deceiver who is either not familiar enough with the subject matter, or he is purposefully being deceiving.

Either way, he has nullified his credibility.

Anyone who listens to him is either likewise lying, or is blind being led by the blind.
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Amen, and Amen!

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Sep 7, 2019 15:43:14   #
jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
If you are ever blessed with the ability to hear Truth, please let us know. Then we can scratch you off the long list of reprobate hypocrites.


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Sep 7, 2019 15:52:09   #
Rose42
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
If you are ever blessed with the ability to hear Truth, please let us know. Then we can scratch you off the long list of reprobate hypocrites.



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Sep 7, 2019 15:53:19   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
rumitoid wrote:
I will answer for him, if I may; Because other who believe in God are not inclusive by law.

"If you’re truly an atheist, why care so much about what God has to say - about anything?" because the negative affects effect our whole society.


Curiosity compels me to ask why you don't believe abortion, confusing the sexes, promoting homosexuality as normal and natural, 60 or more different genders, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc has had a negative effect on the whole society? Why is it that most everything you Progressives put your energy into has a deviant sexual agenda; more specifically an agenda against traditional Christian/Judeo teachings, morals and values? If you were only bright enough to understand the consequences of your forced agenda.

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Sep 7, 2019 16:17:42   #
TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA
 
rumitoid wrote:
God will punish the Israelites by destroying their unborn children, who will die at birth, or perish in the womb, or never even be conceived (Hosea 9:10-16). So God approves of abortion, when it suits him.


You are the blind one.

God decrees death upon the unrighteous. He punishes with death. It wouldn’t mean anything at all if, as blind leftists like you were right, and an unborn human baby was just a blob of tissue.

It would be as benign of a curse as to say, “and He will cause your placenta to die.”

That’s not what He said, or what He meant. The rebelliousness of His disobedient children requires death consequences.

“See then the goodness and severity of God. Toward those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in his goodness; otherwise you also will be cut off.” Romans 11:22

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Sep 8, 2019 05:33:50   #
PeterS
 
TommyRadd wrote:


• A pregnant woman who is injured and aborts the fetus warrants financial compensation only (to her husband), suggesting that the fetus is property, not a person (Exodus 21:22-25).

In this passage, it actually says “life for life.” In other words, the punishment was capital for anyone who caused a woman’s preborn baby to die- life for life.

The statement made is that a fetus is not a person but property to be compensated for. The implication is that god sees no value in it as a human being. You are taking his statement out of context which is dishonest. Strike one!


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• The gruesome priestly purity test to which a wife accused of adultery must submit will cause her to abort the fetus if she is guilty, indicating that the fetus does not possess a right to life (Numbers 5:11-31).

This passage says absolutely nothing about aborting a fetus; it is strictly about God’s right to judge His people and purge His people of sin.

In it, god causes a miscarriage which would be no different than an abortion. That would strike two!

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• God enumerated his punishments for disobedience, including "cursed shall be the fruit of your womb" and "you will eat the fruit of your womb," directly contradicting sanctity-of-life claims (Deuteronomy 28:18,53).

Again, these verses say nothing about aborting fetuses for the convenience of the mother or as a viable method of birth control. This passage, is, again, about the consequences of God’s people of disobeying Him

You are missing the point. These are examples of god killing the unborn. Whether it is for contraception is irrelevant to the fetus--death is death. The question begged is if it is immoral to abort a fetus than the immorality applies to all the billions of miscarriages that god has caused also. That would be Strike Three and you aren't worth any more of my time...

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Sep 8, 2019 05:36:53   #
Tug484
 
factnotfiction wrote:
And the stupid politicians who constantly rant and rave and carry on should have a better understanding of what scripture actually says about abortion.

And if the connies are going say that times have changed, then that same argument applies to virtually every single word in the second amendment

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A prominent fundamentalist Christian minister and television celebrity regularly proclaims that the unborn child has a God-given right to life, that life is a gift from God, and that abortion is the sinful destruction of God's sacred creation. These and similar assertions are thoroughly refuted by "God's word," the holy bible.

Defenders of women's reproductive rights should know what the bible actually says about abortion and, by extension, related issues, including contraception, the morning-after pill, in vitro fertilization and fetal tissue research.

Scriptural truths
Ten biblical episodes and prophecies provide an unequivocal expression of God's attitude toward human life, especially the ontological status of "unborn children" and their pregnant mothers-to-be. Brief summaries:

• A pregnant woman who is injured and aborts the fetus warrants financial compensation only (to her husband), suggesting that the fetus is property, not a person (Exodus 21:22-25).

• The gruesome priestly purity test to which a wife accused of adultery must submit will cause her to abort the fetus if she is guilty, indicating that the fetus does not possess a right to life (Numbers 5:11-31).

• God enumerated his punishments for disobedience, including "cursed shall be the fruit of your womb" and "you will eat the fruit of your womb," directly contradicting sanctity-of-life claims (Deuteronomy 28:18,53).

• Elisha's prophecy for soon-to-be King Hazael said he would attack the Israelites, burn their cities, crush the heads of their babies and rip open their pregnant women (2 Kings 8:12).

• King Menahem of Israel destroyed Tiphsah (also called Tappuah) and the surrounding towns, killing all residents and ripping open pregnant women with the sword (2 Kings 15:16).

• Isaiah prophesied doom for Babylon, including the murder of unborn children: "They will have no pity on the fruit of the womb" (Isaiah 13:18).

• For worshiping idols, God declared that not one of his people would live, not a man, woman or child (not even babies in arms), again confuting assertions about the sanctity of life (Jeremiah 44:7-8).

• God will punish the Israelites by destroying their unborn children, who will die at birth, or perish in the womb, or never even be conceived (Hosea 9:10-16).

• For rebelling against God, Samaria's people will be killed, their babies will be dashed to death against the ground, and their pregnant women will be ripped open with a sword (Hosea 13:16).

• Jesus did not express any special concern for unborn children during the anticipated end times: "Woe to pregnant women and those who are nursing" (Matthew 24:19).

Biblical atrocities
The 10 incidents and declarations surveyed above document God's complete rejection of the anti-abortion crusaders' claims about the sanctity of life and a divine right to life. There is clearly no biblical justification for the radical theology they espouse. This section summarizes God's monumental history of murderous behavior as recorded in holy writ.

We know that God killed millions of unborn children and their pregnant mothers-to-be in the Noachian deluge, the conquest of Canaan, the incineration of Sodom and Gomorrah and in 20 major slaughters described in the bible. The critical feature of these horrific events is that all people were exterminated. Whenever entire communities were massacred, we can be sure that pregnant mothers-to-be and their unborn children were among the victims. Moreover, there are no stated exemptions for this specific segment of the population.

It can be concluded from this ghastly program of human annihilation that the God of the bible is the greatest mass murderer in history and that he does not care about unborn children or living children or living adults. If God really opposes abortion, why didn't he just say so? Why didn't he authorize one of his trusted spokesmen—Moses, Jesus or Paul—to issue a definitive statement on the subject?

It is also noteworthy that while the bible requires the death penalty for 60 specified criminal violations, abortion is not among them. When all relevant documentation is examined, it is obvious that God does not love the unborn and he certainly does not disapprove of abortion.

Theological questions
Anti-abortion zealots assert that human life begins at conception, and therefore the fertilized egg possesses all constitutional rights of a living person. It follows that destruction of a conceived embryo (blastocyst) is murder.This is the basis for the personhood argument which has been defeated in five statewide initiatives since 2010.

The bible declares that God breathed life into man's body (Genesis 2:7). At least a dozen more verses indicate that breath is synonymous with life. This scriptural truth completely contradicts the personhood dogma.

More importantly, if the fertilized ovum is a person, as anti-abortion extremists claim, then God's record as the greatest murderer of unborn children is expanded further. That is because most fertilized eggs either fail to implant in the uterine wall and pass out of the body or do implant, begin to develop and then are spontaneously aborted. Fewer than one-third of fertilized ova survive to become living humans.

Why does God murder untold millions of these "persons" every year in the U.S. alone? Why did God, who allegedly loves the unborn and hates abortion, kill so many unborn children, adolescents and adults throughout biblical history? Why do fundamentalists pursue a political agenda that is thoroughly refuted by God's word?

Anti-abortion antilogies
Among those who deny women's reproductive rights, numerous contradictory positions are observed. For example, some prominent politicians who want to overturn Roe v. Wade would allow exceptions for rape, incest, severe fetal abnormality and/or life of the mother. These exceptions necessarily require destroying the fetus, which is the very action they condemn. In other words, the murder of unborn children is acceptable when anti-abortion politicians approve.

Another blatant inconsistency involves physicians who want to defund Planned Parenthood because it provides aborted fetuses for medical research. Yet, some of these physicians have themselves conducted research using aborted fetuses. Furthermore, medical investigations using fetal tissue have produced lifesaving vaccines and therapeutic interventions that have benefited everyone.

The most disgusting contradiction exists between the radical activists' preferred label "pro-life" and their horrific record of godly violence. In the 40 years since Roe v. Wade, was decided, eight abortion providers have been murdered and 17 have been maimed or seriously injured. More than 6,000 acts of violence have been perpetrated, including fire bombings, arsons, kidnappings, assaults and death threats. These agents of violence are accurately labeled "Christian terrorists."

The activists who want to make abortion illegal invariably call themselves "Christian conservatives," stating that they want to reduce government intrusion and eliminate burdensome regulations that limit personal liberty. They say they want to get government off our backs and out of our lives. Except, of course, when they want to use the coercive power of government to inflict their theological beliefs on everybody else, especially in matters of reproduction and sexuality.

After 40 years with at least 1 million elective abortions annually, opponents still refuse to endorse programs that are proven to reduce abortions, such as family planning that stresses contraception and comprehensive sexuality education.

Instead they promote abstinence-only, ignorance curricula. If they would focus their efforts on preventing unwanted pregnancies, they would stop many more abortions than their politically coercive and sometimes violent tactics have stopped. Ironically, the crusaders help to cause the abortions they denounce.

A 'holocaust'
Dogmatists condemn what they call the "holocaust" of 56 million abortions since Roe v. Wade became the law of the land. At the same time, they spend tens of billions of dollars annually building and operating their grandiose megachurches, Christian academies and other programs to promote fundamentalist doctrines. If they really want to prevent the murder of unborn children, why don't they just use some of their vast wealth to pay women not to have abortions?

Lastly, the most egregious contradiction occurs whenever the religionists invoke a biblical justification for their sanctimonious stance, because the Judeo-Christian God simply does not care about the lives of pregnant women and their unborn children. Abortion opponents cite a dozen verses that refer to the developing fetus but not one that condemns abortion.

The bible is an unending compilation of atrocities illustrating God's penchant for feticide, infanticide and the wholesale slaughter of adults.

Conclusion
Prominent women's rights groups like Planned Parenthood, the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice, NARAL Pro-choice America, Emily's List and the National Organization for Women should confront the zealots about the complete lack of biblical support for their position. For the past decade, surveys have indicated that about two-thirds of Americans think abortion should remain legal. A 2015 poll put the figure at 80%.

Among institutions, Planned Parenthood has the highest approval (45%) and Congress has the lowest (8%). Why don't reproductive rights advocates attack the anti-abortion terrorists with the same ferocity that the zealots exhibit in their ongoing campaign of harassment, violence and dishonesty? The truth is that the bible does not endorse the fundamentalist Christian assault on women's reproductive health.

In fact, God is clearly pro-abortion.

FFRF Life Member Brian Bolton is a retired psychologist, humanist minister, university professor emeritus and sponsor of FFRF's graduate essay contest. He lives in Georgetown, Texas. The executive wing of FFRF's new addition bears his name.
And the stupid politicians who constantly rant and... (show quote)


God also opened up the desert and dumped the complaining Rubenites into the ground.
You make no sense in trying to justify abortion.

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Sep 8, 2019 05:43:21   #
PeterS
 
TommyRadd wrote:
You are the blind one.

God decrees death upon the unrighteous. He punishes with death. It wouldn’t mean anything at all if, as blind leftists like you were right, and an unborn human baby was just a blob of tissue.

It would be as benign of a curse as to say, “and He will cause your placenta to die.”

That’s not what He said, or what He meant. The rebelliousness of His disobedient children requires death consequences.

“See then the goodness and severity of God. Toward those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in his goodness; otherwise you also will be cut off.” Romans 11:22
You are the blind one. br br God decrees death up... (show quote)

I thought the unborn was the purest of the pure? There would have been billions of miscarriages caused by god by now. Why is god then killing them...for the sins of their mothers? What is the reason?

You don't have to be a leftist to see that there is something wrong with the logic here. If man causing an abortion is wrong than for god to cause a miscarriage would be equally as wrong; the rights of the fetus are unjustly taken from it irrespective of who did it. The only way for this to be acceptable is if a fetus is simply a lump of flesh with no intrinsic value--as your god seems to treat it...

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Sep 8, 2019 07:09:04   #
TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA
 
PeterS lyingly states: “The statement made is that a fetus is not a person but property to be compensated for. The implication is that god sees no value in it as a human being. You are taking his statement out of context which is dishonest. Strike one!”

Try to pay attention to what is written:

Exo 21:22 - If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
Exo 21:23 - And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
Exo 21:24 - Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,


Your blindness and belligerence is astounding!

If the struggle only causes a premature birth, which is all verse 22 is addressing at that point, the guilty party must pay restitution according to the dictates of the father and the judges. If there is further damage, the situation escalates in severity and then the penalties are not arbitrary, they are established in the law.

The unborn baby, that is either still born, or mutilated, in that situation, is so morally equivalent to the person who causes harm to the unborn baby, that the one who causes an unborn baby to die because of the forced premature ejection from the mother, will have their equal life forfeited. Thus it says “life for life” not “life for blob of tissue”. And nowhere does it say only the guilty party’s “property” would be required for compensation, which it should if you were correct.

You leftists must think you are morally equivalent to God Who gives and takes life, and has the inherent authority to do so. We are all His property, and when you justify murder, you are robbing God. But it is so much worse than that, because God is able, and does, restore life to those who are righteous and have been killed in their innocence. You ignore that ability about God which sets Him so much higher than you. When you take innocent life, you are the ones who will not be held innocent on judgment day. That you justify others, and encourage others to play God and take away life makes you not only murderers, but makers of murderers. You are creators, alright, creators of more and compounded evil. And that is why you leftists need to be called out and exposed for the servants of evil you are.

No sense even discussing with people like you: your conscience has been seared with a hot iron because of your lust for iniquity, your love of evil, and most of all, your hatred of God.

When you are ready to confess your sins, then you will be ready to be reasoned with. There’s no reasoning with a scoundrel intent on justifying the murder of innocent human beings by putting themselves on a level with God. Try telling a psychologist you are equal to God and therefore you can choose who gets to live and who gets to die. I’m sure they can find a straight-jacket in your size.

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Sep 8, 2019 07:39:33   #
PeterS
 
TommyRadd wrote:
PeterS lyingly states: “The statement made is that a fetus is not a person but property to be compensated for. The implication is that god sees no value in it as a human being. You are taking his statement out of context which is dishonest. Strike one!”

Try to pay attention to what is written:

Exo 21:22 - If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
Exo 21:23 - And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
Exo 21:24 - Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
PeterS lyingly states: “The statement made is that... (show quote)

Again, the point being made is that a fetus is a property, not a human being, and being treated as such.

As for being equal to god--I am simply untwisting how you twisted the statements. That has no reflection on how I view god but how I view you. In terms of abortion vs miscarriage (gods method for abortion), there is no difference between the two--both negate any rights that a fetus may have--unless we view the fetus as a lump of cells without any intrinsic rights to start out with.

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Sep 8, 2019 07:51:36   #
Rose42
 
PeterS wrote:
Again, the point being made is that a fetus is a property, not a human being, and being treated as such.

As for being equal to god--I am simply untwisting how you twisted the statements. That has no reflection on how I view god but how I view you. In terms of abortion vs miscarriage (gods method for abortion), there is no difference between the two--both negate any rights that a fetus may have--unless we view the fetus as a lump of cells without any intrinsic rights to start out with.


And again, you can’t make an argument with a book you don’t understand.

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Sep 8, 2019 08:00:27   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
factnotfiction wrote:
...And the stupid politicians who constantly rant and rave and carry on should have a better understanding of what scripture actually says about abortion.

And if the connies are going say that times have changed, then that same argument applies to virtually every single word in the second amendment

*************************************************************************************

A prominent fundamentalist Christian minister and television celebrity regularly proclaims that the unborn child has a God-given right to life, that life is a gift from God, and that abortion is the sinful destruction of God's sacred creation. These and similar assertions are thoroughly refuted by "God's word," the holy bible.

Defenders of women's reproductive rights should know what the bible actually says about abortion and, by extension, related issues, including contraception, the morning-after pill, in vitro fertilization and fetal tissue research.

Scriptural truths
Ten biblical episodes and prophecies provide an unequivocal expression of God's attitude toward human life, especially the ontological status of "unborn children" and their pregnant mothers-to-be. Brief summaries:

• A pregnant woman who is injured and aborts the fetus warrants financial compensation only (to her husband), suggesting that the fetus is property, not a person (Exodus 21:22-25).

• The gruesome priestly purity test to which a wife accused of adultery must submit will cause her to abort the fetus if she is guilty, indicating that the fetus does not possess a right to life (Numbers 5:11-31).

• God enumerated his punishments for disobedience, including "cursed shall be the fruit of your womb" and "you will eat the fruit of your womb," directly contradicting sanctity-of-life claims (Deuteronomy 28:18,53).

• Elisha's prophecy for soon-to-be King Hazael said he would attack the Israelites, burn their cities, crush the heads of their babies and rip open their pregnant women (2 Kings 8:12).

• King Menahem of Israel destroyed Tiphsah (also called Tappuah) and the surrounding towns, killing all residents and ripping open pregnant women with the sword (2 Kings 15:16).

• Isaiah prophesied doom for Babylon, including the murder of unborn children: "They will have no pity on the fruit of the womb" (Isaiah 13:18).

• For worshiping idols, God declared that not one of his people would live, not a man, woman or child (not even babies in arms), again confuting assertions about the sanctity of life (Jeremiah 44:7-8).

• God will punish the Israelites by destroying their unborn children, who will die at birth, or perish in the womb, or never even be conceived (Hosea 9:10-16).

• For rebelling against God, Samaria's people will be killed, their babies will be dashed to death against the ground, and their pregnant women will be ripped open with a sword (Hosea 13:16).

• Jesus did not express any special concern for unborn children during the anticipated end times: "Woe to pregnant women and those who are nursing" (Matthew 24:19).

Biblical atrocities
The 10 incidents and declarations surveyed above document God's complete rejection of the anti-abortion crusaders' claims about the sanctity of life and a divine right to life. There is clearly no biblical justification for the radical theology they espouse. This section summarizes God's monumental history of murderous behavior as recorded in holy writ.

We know that God killed millions of unborn children and their pregnant mothers-to-be in the Noachian deluge, the conquest of Canaan, the incineration of Sodom and Gomorrah and in 20 major slaughters described in the bible. The critical feature of these horrific events is that all people were exterminated. Whenever entire communities were massacred, we can be sure that pregnant mothers-to-be and their unborn children were among the victims. Moreover, there are no stated exemptions for this specific segment of the population.

It can be concluded from this ghastly program of human annihilation that the God of the bible is the greatest mass murderer in history and that he does not care about unborn children or living children or living adults. If God really opposes abortion, why didn't he just say so? Why didn't he authorize one of his trusted spokesmen—Moses, Jesus or Paul—to issue a definitive statement on the subject?

It is also noteworthy that while the bible requires the death penalty for 60 specified criminal violations, abortion is not among them. When all relevant documentation is examined, it is obvious that God does not love the unborn and he certainly does not disapprove of abortion.

Theological questions
Anti-abortion zealots assert that human life begins at conception, and therefore the fertilized egg possesses all constitutional rights of a living person. It follows that destruction of a conceived embryo (blastocyst) is murder.This is the basis for the personhood argument which has been defeated in five statewide initiatives since 2010.

The bible declares that God breathed life into man's body (Genesis 2:7). At least a dozen more verses indicate that breath is synonymous with life. This scriptural truth completely contradicts the personhood dogma.

More importantly, if the fertilized ovum is a person, as anti-abortion extremists claim, then God's record as the greatest murderer of unborn children is expanded further. That is because most fertilized eggs either fail to implant in the uterine wall and pass out of the body or do implant, begin to develop and then are spontaneously aborted. Fewer than one-third of fertilized ova survive to become living humans.

Why does God murder untold millions of these "persons" every year in the U.S. alone? Why did God, who allegedly loves the unborn and hates abortion, kill so many unborn children, adolescents and adults throughout biblical history? Why do fundamentalists pursue a political agenda that is thoroughly refuted by God's word?

Anti-abortion antilogies
Among those who deny women's reproductive rights, numerous contradictory positions are observed. For example, some prominent politicians who want to overturn Roe v. Wade would allow exceptions for rape, incest, severe fetal abnormality and/or life of the mother. These exceptions necessarily require destroying the fetus, which is the very action they condemn. In other words, the murder of unborn children is acceptable when anti-abortion politicians approve.

Another blatant inconsistency involves physicians who want to defund Planned Parenthood because it provides aborted fetuses for medical research. Yet, some of these physicians have themselves conducted research using aborted fetuses. Furthermore, medical investigations using fetal tissue have produced lifesaving vaccines and therapeutic interventions that have benefited everyone.

The most disgusting contradiction exists between the radical activists' preferred label "pro-life" and their horrific record of godly violence. In the 40 years since Roe v. Wade, was decided, eight abortion providers have been murdered and 17 have been maimed or seriously injured. More than 6,000 acts of violence have been perpetrated, including fire bombings, arsons, kidnappings, assaults and death threats. These agents of violence are accurately labeled "Christian terrorists."

The activists who want to make abortion illegal invariably call themselves "Christian conservatives," stating that they want to reduce government intrusion and eliminate burdensome regulations that limit personal liberty. They say they want to get government off our backs and out of our lives. Except, of course, when they want to use the coercive power of government to inflict their theological beliefs on everybody else, especially in matters of reproduction and sexuality.

After 40 years with at least 1 million elective abortions annually, opponents still refuse to endorse programs that are proven to reduce abortions, such as family planning that stresses contraception and comprehensive sexuality education.

Instead they promote abstinence-only, ignorance curricula. If they would focus their efforts on preventing unwanted pregnancies, they would stop many more abortions than their politically coercive and sometimes violent tactics have stopped. Ironically, the crusaders help to cause the abortions they denounce.

A 'holocaust'
Dogmatists condemn what they call the "holocaust" of 56 million abortions since Roe v. Wade became the law of the land. At the same time, they spend tens of billions of dollars annually building and operating their grandiose megachurches, Christian academies and other programs to promote fundamentalist doctrines. If they really want to prevent the murder of unborn children, why don't they just use some of their vast wealth to pay women not to have abortions?

Lastly, the most egregious contradiction occurs whenever the religionists invoke a biblical justification for their sanctimonious stance, because the Judeo-Christian God simply does not care about the lives of pregnant women and their unborn children. Abortion opponents cite a dozen verses that refer to the developing fetus but not one that condemns abortion.

The bible is an unending compilation of atrocities illustrating God's penchant for feticide, infanticide and the wholesale slaughter of adults.

Conclusion
Prominent women's rights groups like Planned Parenthood, the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice, NARAL Pro-choice America, Emily's List and the National Organization for Women should confront the zealots about the complete lack of biblical support for their position. For the past decade, surveys have indicated that about two-thirds of Americans think abortion should remain legal. A 2015 poll put the figure at 80%.

Among institutions, Planned Parenthood has the highest approval (45%) and Congress has the lowest (8%). Why don't reproductive rights advocates attack the anti-abortion terrorists with the same ferocity that the zealots exhibit in their ongoing campaign of harassment, violence and dishonesty? The truth is that the bible does not endorse the fundamentalist Christian assault on women's reproductive health.

In fact, God is clearly pro-abortion.

FFRF Life Member Brian Bolton is a retired psychologist, humanist minister, university professor emeritus and sponsor of FFRF's graduate essay contest. He lives in Georgetown, Texas. The executive wing of FFRF's new addition bears his name.
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How can someone who is an atheist say anything about God? The truth is that this is another pack of lies from a liberal liar (apologies for the redundancy).

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Sep 8, 2019 08:12:59   #
TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA
 
PeterS wrote:
Again, the point being made is that a fetus is a property, not a human being, and being treated as such.

As for being equal to god--I am simply untwisting how you twisted the statements. That has no reflection on how I view god but how I view you. In terms of abortion vs miscarriage (gods method for abortion), there is no difference between the two--both negate any rights that a fetus may have--unless we view the fetus as a lump of cells without any intrinsic rights to start out with.


You don’t impute “life FOR life” if you mean “life for property”.

There are other scriptures that clearly teach how God feels about living unborn human beings:

“When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.” (Luke 1:41)

“From birth I was cast on you; from my mother’s womb you have been my God.” (Psalm 22:10)

“For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.” (Psalm 139:13-14)

“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you.” (Jeremiah 1:5)

“Did not he who made me in the womb make them? Did not the same one form us both within our mothers?” (Job 31:15)

It is scientific fact that life begins at conception:

"The predominance of human biological research confirms that human life begins at conception—fertilization. At fertilization, the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated zygotic living human organism, a member of the species Homo sapiens, needing only the proper environment in order to grow and develop. The difference between the individual in its adult stage and in its zygotic stage is one of form, not nature. This statement focuses on the scientific evidence of when an individual human life begins."
https://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/life-issues/when-human-life-begins


Murderers gonna murder, liars gonna lie.

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Sep 8, 2019 08:31:25   #
TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA
 
PeterS wrote:
Again, the point being made is that a fetus is a property, not a human being, and being treated as such.

As for being equal to god--I am simply untwisting how you twisted the statements. That has no reflection on how I view god but how I view you. In terms of abortion vs miscarriage (gods method for abortion), there is no difference between the two--both negate any rights that a fetus may have--unless we view the fetus as a lump of cells without any intrinsic rights to start out with.


When God kills, or allows death, it is as a punishment or as an expected result of breaking His commandments.that is the real lesson from every example given trying to justify abortion from the Bible.

When you, a human yourself, punish innocent living human beings with death, or merely justify death to innocents, for the sake of the convenience for others, you are most definitely putting yourself on the level of God. Just because you don’t believe it doesn’t change the truth of it. The very scriptures you take out of context testify against you.

You are like someone who would hear God command not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and conclude that what God really meant was that you should eat of the forbidden fruit in order to make you wise and just like God!

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