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Labor Day betrayal – Ocasio-Cortez leads Dem candidates to embrace anti-labor policies
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Sep 1, 2019 16:22:44   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
bestpal38 wrote:
Didn't make the post, just offended by the language. I believe counterpoints can be made without the vulgarness.


Gee tinkerbell, did not know anyone on OPP was so thin skinned..

OK.. I seldom cuss, but I did like the conviction behind the meme..

So, in my own words, I will usually not cuss and as this exchange has been without meaning, I will stick to my own style or whim and post as I always have..



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Sep 1, 2019 18:05:34   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
Kevyn wrote:
The process of changing to carbon neutral renewable energy does not kill jobs nor is it a betrayal of labor. The proposals of people like AOC and Sanders is to tear down barriers to union organization, increase the minimum wage and switch to universal health care to free people chained to jobs to maintain benefits for their families. A technician building, installing and maintaining heat pumps, solar panels, wind turbines and electric charging stations can earn as much money as a coal miner or oil rig worker. In many instances they have similar skill sets and can transition with their existing technical prowess. The important thing is to make it as easy as possible for them to Unionize and to eliminate right to work and at will employment laws to guarantee workers the right to due process and collective bargaining.
The process of changing to carbon neutral renewabl... (show quote)


Heat pumps,solar panels and wind turbines and most of the equipment associated with "electric charging stations" require fossil fuels to produce the product.

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Sep 1, 2019 18:29:22   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
Heat pumps,solar panels and wind turbines and most of the equipment associated with "electric charging stations" require fossil fuels to produce the product.



Usually, yes,,,, What is your point?



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Sep 1, 2019 22:31:46   #
Nuclearian Loc: I live in a Fascist, Liberal State
 
permafrost wrote:
Got a link for your truly biased post???


Same ole permafrost. Always the Nazicrat supporter.

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Sep 2, 2019 04:26:42   #
Kevyn
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
Heat pumps,solar panels and wind turbines and most of the equipment associated with "electric charging stations" require fossil fuels to produce the product.


Sure and then they don’t use any more which is the point.

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Sep 2, 2019 06:03:00   #
jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana
 
Nuclearian wrote:
Democratic presidential candidates are crisscrossing the nation claiming to be the champions of blue-collar workers and demonizing President Trump as the champion of the rich and powerful who doesn’t care about working men and women. But these claims have no basis in fact.

This Labor Day weekend is a good time to separate Democratic rhetoric from reality and see how the dramatically different policies that President Trump and his Democratic would-be challengers embrace would impact American workers.

A reality check shows that Trump policies encouraging domestic energy production have created jobs, strengthened our economy, and reduced the amount of money we must spend to import energy from other nations – including some hostile to our interests.

And a reality check also shows that while Democrats boast about their supposedly pro-worker policies, those policies would actually destroy millions of working-class jobs and devastate many communities.

For example, the 2020 Democratic presidential candidates have all made a hard-left pivot on energy and adopted radical environmental policies like the Green New Deal. These policies would require massive regulation of how we live our lives, massive tax increases to raise trillions of dollars to implement and enforce these regulations, massive growth of government, and massive price increases on the products we rely on.

The policies of President Barack Obama look almost conservative by comparison.

There has never been a time in American history when mainstream political candidates for the presidency have embraced far-left Big Government policies as radical as the Democrats embrace today. These policies would create enormous change in our country – but despite what the Democrats say, it would be change for the worse.

Self-proclaimed socialist Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y. – a magnet for media coverage – was the first to outline this extreme eco-policy. She has inspired the entire 2020 Democratic presidential field to embrace it.

Keep in mind that one of Ocasio-Cortez’s proudest accomplishments in her brief time in office was helping to persuade Amazon to cancel plans to build a second headquarters in her New York City congressional district. The headquarters would have created over 25,000 jobs with an average annual salary of over $150,000. Amazon said the highly paid workforce could have grown to 40,000 men and women in 15 years.

Ocasio-Cortez boasted that killing 40,000 jobs “defeated Amazon’s corporate greed, its worker exploitation and the power of the richest man in the world.”

Yet Ocasio-Cortez’s “accomplishment” of depriving 40,000 people of jobs is nothing compared to the massive job losses her Green New Deal would cause. But apparently, she considers anyone who gets a paycheck is being “exploited.” Would she like to change the name of the holiday we celebrate Monday to Unemployment Day?

Every Democratic presidential candidate has adopted at least some of the freshman congresswoman’s radical environmental ideas. The only candidate who didn’t was energy expert, scientist and former governor of energy-rich Colorado John Hickenlooper. He has since dropped out of the presidential race, and that red flag should alarm most thinking people.

Former Vice President Joe Biden has said he wants to ban offshore oil and natural gas drilling in Alaska, which would devastate that state’s economy. In fact, he favors banning new oil and natural gas leases on all public lands. This would move energy workers in places like New Mexico and Colorado from payrolls to the unemployment rolls.

Instead of branding himself “Middle-Class Joe,” Biden’s should be honest and call himself “Job-Killing Joe.”

Presidential candidate Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., says she will ban fracking that produces an abundance of oil and natural gas if she gets to move into the White House. That’s a tough message in Pennsylvania, a state with almost 300,000 people working directly and indirectly in this industry.

Warren can campaign in Pennsylvania by guaranteeing those 300,000 people that she’s made sure they will not be “exploited” by earning paychecks, as Ocasio-Cortez would put it.

Socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., is even more extreme. He’d spend over $16 trillion – an unimaginable sum that would come out of your tax dollars – on an eco-plan that requires ignoring reality.

How do you build wind turbines (which require hundreds of tons of coal to forge the steel and make the concrete that anchors them to the ground) while banning coal? How do you make solar panels (which require tons of rare earth materials) when you don’t allow mining on federal lands or don’t allow fossil fuels to run excavation equipment?

The socialist senator has yet to be questioned seriously about the impossibility and unaffordability of his plans. It would just as realistic for him to propose we all grow wings so we can fly wherever we have to go, abandoning our cars and planes.

It’s no wonder that the labor movement – once the backbone of the Democratic Party – is aghast at what these so-called pro-labor candidates have embraced. The AFL-CIO, representing over 12 million workers, has slammed the Green New Deal as “not achievable or realistic.”

The Green New Deal would effectively lay off the 1.1 million Americans who work in coal, oil, and natural gas industries. And of course, these layoffs would hurt the spouses and children of the workers who would lose their jobs, along with businesses that provide goods and services to them – destroying even more jobs.

AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka put it best when he said: “Simply demanding that plants, industries and projects be stopped or shut down, with no plan for the people who are put out of work, no call for shared sacrifice, and no dialogue or solidarity with those whose lives and communities are dependent on carbon-based fuels, that poisons the well politically.”

Showing solidarity with workers means supporting their livelihoods, not betraying them while living in willful ignorance of their contributions to our country.

But that’s exactly what these Democratic presidential candidates do when they consume the fruit of energy workers’ labor – affordable, abundant, reliable, domestic energy – while simultaneously traveling around our nation on planes, campaign buses and cars powered by fossil fuels.

The energy produced by oil, natural gas and coal makes everything in our economy affordable, from food prices to our cars. Thee low prices of fossil fuels are made possible by the current boom in U.S. energy exports, which OPEC laments are “messing” with its plans to keep oil prices high.

When former Rep. Beto O’Rourke of Texas, yet another Democratic presidential hopeful, changes a flat tire or makes a burger on Instagram as a publicity stunt he’s either ignorant or indifferent to the fact it’s all made possible by energy. After all, you need rubber for tires. The flame on his stove is powered by natural gas. Even the camera streaming the video is itself a product of fossil fuel and runs on fossil fuels.

All the daily things we take for granted are made possible by energy workers. On Labor Day we owe it to them to celebrate their contributions.

Fill up your gas tank, light up the grill, watch football on TV – no matter what you do, you are saying “thank you” to millions of energy workers who power the nation, power our lifestyles, and power the future.
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Excellent post, thank you!

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Sep 2, 2019 06:05:01   #
jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana
 
bestpal38 wrote:
Didn't make the post, just offended by the language. I believe counterpoints can be made without the vulgarness.


Agree!

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Sep 2, 2019 06:29:45   #
Dan the man
 
bestpal38 wrote:
Didn't make the post, just offended by the language. I believe counterpoints can be made without the vulgarness.


Very true... clean up the language!

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Sep 2, 2019 07:05:31   #
Dom
 
Great post

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Sep 2, 2019 07:20:41   #
rebob14
 
Openmind wrote:
Good point!


No, it is not..............you should be researching comments made by people who actually worked, and are working, in the energy industry instead of listening to the ideology of the politically driven and deliberately misinformed!

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Sep 2, 2019 09:26:18   #
Openmind
 
rebob14 wrote:
No, it is not..............you should be researching comments made by people who actually worked, and are working, in the energy industry instead of listening to the ideology of the politically driven and deliberately misinformed!


And who would that be? I have solar on my roof it has reduced my electric bill by 90%. I reduce the country’s dependence on foreign oil, not by much admittedly, but it’s a start. I am not saying that fossil fuels are not part of the solution. I am saying that if there was as much invested in clean energy as there has been in fossil fuel subsidies we would be much farther along.

And, by the way, I am quite familiar with the advantages and disadvantages of the various products, which is why much of the energy industry is quietly investing in solar and wind. The handwriting is on the wall.

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Sep 2, 2019 11:00:59   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
permafrost wrote:
Usually, yes,,,, What is your point?


Kevyn apparently thinks that these things can simply be acquired by the waving of a magic Liberal wand.

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Sep 2, 2019 11:03:38   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
Kevyn wrote:
Sure and then they don’t use any more which is the point.


You really don't have much of a clue, do you? Your acquaintance with reality grows more tenuous every day. What you suggest is impossible in the next 20 years, or 50.

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Sep 2, 2019 11:41:12   #
Seth
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
Kevyn apparently thinks that these things can simply be acquired by the waving of a magic Liberal wand.


I thought only President Trump had a magic wand, because he needed it to do the great things he's been doing for the economy.

The "liberals" will just have to hope their magic unicorn comes through for them. 😁

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Sep 2, 2019 11:58:43   #
ExperienceCounts
 
Openmind wrote:
And who would that be? I have solar on my roof it has reduced my electric bill by 90%. I reduce the country’s dependence on foreign oil, not by much admittedly, but it’s a start. I am not saying that fossil fuels are not part of the solution. I am saying that if there was as much invested in clean energy as there has been in fossil fuel subsidies we would be much farther along.

And, by the way, I am quite familiar with the advantages and disadvantages of the various products, which is why much of the energy industry is quietly investing in solar and wind. The handwriting is on the wall.
And who would that be? I have solar on my roof it ... (show quote)


And just how much did it cost, and how can I afford it on my Social Security into which I have paid over 51 years often at minimum wage? My so called entitlement which is now a drain on the economy. Where will I get the money for that new cell in that high rise that we'll all live in when my home and land become property of the state? Oh, that's right, I won't be here by then, because as a part of the nonproductive workforce, I'll be given the required option of self removal so an undocumented worker can take my place in society. And in case you don't get it, the mechanisms to put this in place have already started in some states...currently on a volunteer basis. Hail...Hit__!

And just in case you don't get it, this is intended to be sarcasm.

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