Disposing of the Electoral College or Removing Bulkheads to Sink the Ship: Several “blue” states are conspiring to circumvent the Electoral College by means of the “National Popular...

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

Several “blue” states are conspiring to circumvent the Electoral College by means of the “National Popular Vote Interstate Compact” initiative. These states will award all their Electoral votes to the candidate who wins the majority of the so-called “popular vote”.

The “National Popular Vote Interstate Compact” initiative is a very dangerous project. It attempts to bypass Constitutional protections against some forms of election fraud. In particular, it facilitates propagation of the ill effects of the election fraud in one or more states into other, fraud-free, states. If implemented, it can sink the ship America (figuratively speaking), as the example below explains.

A typical ship has bulkheads that subdivide its hull into several water-tight compartments. Such construction is supposed to prevent the sinking of the ship should the hull get locally damaged, as the bulkheads stop ocean water from seeping from the damaged compartment into undamaged compartments. As a result, the ship stays buoyant despite having a hole in its hull.

Removing the bulkheads creates a risk that a single hole in the ship’s hull may lead to sinking of the entire ship.

And that is, figuratively speaking, the main objective of the Left’s movement that attempts to dispose of the Electoral College in Presidential elections and replace it with the so-called “popular vote”.

Without the Electoral College, massive election fraud (e.g., ballot box stuffing, vote harvesting, non-citizen voting, re-counting until the desired outcome is met, etc.) in two most populous states (say, California and New York) may easily, if facilitated aggressively by these states, decide the outcomes of any Presidential elections.

For one, it is much easier to execute a decisive election fraud in the “popular vote” system then it is with the Electoral College in place. Just imagine, California delivering 40 million votes (one vote for one California resident) and New York 20 million votes (one vote for one New York resident), for a total of 60 millions votes, in favor of the Left’s desired candidate. If that happens, in the absence of the Electoral College, voters in other states don’t need to vote, as it is extremely unlikely that they can summon more than 60 million votes for somebody else. (With the Electoral College, California and New York would produce just 84 electoral votes out of the total of 538 electoral votes, far less than needed to control the outcome of the election.)

Even if after such an election the Supreme Court objected to the idea that a state could deliver the number of votes that is about equal to the number of its residents (mind you that in the past Presidential election, several counties in California delivered more votes than they had adult residents), the “fix” for such a “detail” would be easy. Both California and New York, via “sanctuary” state laws and policies and such, would open themselves to mass illegal migration that would swell their populations to the point where a legal objection to their 60 million votes in favor of the same candidate was no longer defensible.

Of course, this kind of “popular election” process would sink the ship America, and likely turn our great Republic onto something that resembled more the People’s Republic of China, Syria, Venezuela, or any other country that was a major feeder of current mass “migration” (legal and otherwise), with equally massive redistribution of incomes and property to follow.

This is why the Left and their pet minorities are vigorously pushing for disposing or bypassing of the Electoral College. They see the College as a serious obstacle in their well-concerted efforts of hostile takeover of the U.S. and the 20 trillion+ economy that comes with it.

It is good to remember that what the properly functioning Electoral College does, is - among other things - to stop propagation of election fraud, very much the same way like the bulkheads in a ship are to stop propagation of seeping ocean water within the damaged ship’s hull. The sad story of sinking of the RMS Titanic teaches us what is likely to happen to our country once these means of protection are rendered dysfunctional.

RMS Titanic

karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!

National Popular Vote Interstate Compact
With-Out Regard For The Votes Of Their Own State's Citizens

All This Because Hillary's 3.2 Million Votes
Came Only From California's 4.5 Million Votes

With-Out California's 4.5
Hillary Loses The National Popular Vote Too

Carol Kelly

karpenter wrote:

National Popular Vote Interstate Compact
With-Out Regard For The Votes Of Their Own State's Citizens

All This Because Hillary's 3.2 Million Votes
Came Only From California's 4.5 Million Votes

With-Out California's 4.5
Hillary Loses The National Popular Vote Too

That’s the idea.

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

Democratic motto, if we win at all costs.

karpenter wrote:

With-Out Regard For The Votes Of Their Own Citizens

Seth

bmac32 wrote:

Several “blue” states are conspiring to circumvent the Electoral College by means of the “National Popular Vote Interstate Compact” initiative. These states will award all their Electoral votes to the candidate who wins the majority of the so-called “popular vote”.

The “National Popular Vote Interstate Compact” initiative is a very dangerous project. It attempts to bypass Constitutional protections against some forms of election fraud. In particular, it facilitates propagation of the ill effects of the election fraud in one or more states into other, fraud-free, states. If implemented, it can sink the ship America (figuratively speaking), as the example below explains.

A typical ship has bulkheads that subdivide its hull into several water-tight compartments. Such construction is supposed to prevent the sinking of the ship should the hull get locally damaged, as the bulkheads stop ocean water from seeping from the damaged compartment into undamaged compartments. As a result, the ship stays buoyant despite having a hole in its hull.

Removing the bulkheads creates a risk that a single hole in the ship’s hull may lead to sinking of the entire ship.

And that is, figuratively speaking, the main objective of the Left’s movement that attempts to dispose of the Electoral College in Presidential elections and replace it with the so-called “popular vote”.

Without the Electoral College, massive election fraud (e.g., ballot box stuffing, vote harvesting, non-citizen voting, re-counting until the desired outcome is met, etc.) in two most populous states (say, California and New York) may easily, if facilitated aggressively by these states, decide the outcomes of any Presidential elections.

For one, it is much easier to execute a decisive election fraud in the “popular vote” system then it is with the Electoral College in place. Just imagine, California delivering 40 million votes (one vote for one California resident) and New York 20 million votes (one vote for one New York resident), for a total of 60 millions votes, in favor of the Left’s desired candidate. If that happens, in the absence of the Electoral College, voters in other states don’t need to vote, as it is extremely unlikely that they can summon more than 60 million votes for somebody else. (With the Electoral College, California and New York would produce just 84 electoral votes out of the total of 538 electoral votes, far less than needed to control the outcome of the election.)

Even if after such an election the Supreme Court objected to the idea that a state could deliver the number of votes that is about equal to the number of its residents (mind you that in the past Presidential election, several counties in California delivered more votes than they had adult residents), the “fix” for such a “detail” would be easy. Both California and New York, via “sanctuary” state laws and policies and such, would open themselves to mass illegal migration that would swell their populations to the point where a legal objection to their 60 million votes in favor of the same candidate was no longer defensible.

Of course, this kind of “popular election” process would sink the ship America, and likely turn our great Republic onto something that resembled more the People’s Republic of China, Syria, Venezuela, or any other country that was a major feeder of current mass “migration” (legal and otherwise), with equally massive redistribution of incomes and property to follow.

This is why the Left and their pet minorities are vigorously pushing for disposing or bypassing of the Electoral College. They see the College as a serious obstacle in their well-concerted efforts of hostile takeover of the U.S. and the 20 trillion+ economy that comes with it.

It is good to remember that what the properly functioning Electoral College does, is - among other things - to stop propagation of election fraud, very much the same way like the bulkheads in a ship are to stop propagation of seeping ocean water within the damaged ship’s hull. The sad story of sinking of the RMS Titanic teaches us what is likely to happen to our country once these means of protection are rendered dysfunctional.

RMS Titanic

Several “blue” states are conspiring to circumvent... (show quote)

No surprise here -- all today's left-owned Democrats seem to be doing anymore is creeping around like termites in the woodwork of America, painstakingly searching out new ways to weaken the authority of the Constitution, shatter any dogmatic or patriotism-based cohesion between Americans and cause the structural integrity of our country to collapse, in Obama's words "fundamentally transform America."

It might be better for all concerned if they all simply relocated elsewhere, but they lack that courtesy and want to bring us all down with them.

zombinis3 Loc: Southwest

bmac32 wrote:

Several “blue” states are conspiring to circumvent the Electoral College by means of the “National Popular Vote Interstate Compact” initiative. These states will award all their Electoral votes to the candidate who wins the majority of the so-called “popular vote”.

The “National Popular Vote Interstate Compact” initiative is a very dangerous project. It attempts to bypass Constitutional protections against some forms of election fraud. In particular, it facilitates propagation of the ill effects of the election fraud in one or more states into other, fraud-free, states. If implemented, it can sink the ship America (figuratively speaking), as the example below explains.

A typical ship has bulkheads that subdivide its hull into several water-tight compartments. Such construction is supposed to prevent the sinking of the ship should the hull get locally damaged, as the bulkheads stop ocean water from seeping from the damaged compartment into undamaged compartments. As a result, the ship stays buoyant despite having a hole in its hull.

Removing the bulkheads creates a risk that a single hole in the ship’s hull may lead to sinking of the entire ship.

And that is, figuratively speaking, the main objective of the Left’s movement that attempts to dispose of the Electoral College in Presidential elections and replace it with the so-called “popular vote”.

Without the Electoral College, massive election fraud (e.g., ballot box stuffing, vote harvesting, non-citizen voting, re-counting until the desired outcome is met, etc.) in two most populous states (say, California and New York) may easily, if facilitated aggressively by these states, decide the outcomes of any Presidential elections.

For one, it is much easier to execute a decisive election fraud in the “popular vote” system then it is with the Electoral College in place. Just imagine, California delivering 40 million votes (one vote for one California resident) and New York 20 million votes (one vote for one New York resident), for a total of 60 millions votes, in favor of the Left’s desired candidate. If that happens, in the absence of the Electoral College, voters in other states don’t need to vote, as it is extremely unlikely that they can summon more than 60 million votes for somebody else. (With the Electoral College, California and New York would produce just 84 electoral votes out of the total of 538 electoral votes, far less than needed to control the outcome of the election.)

Even if after such an election the Supreme Court objected to the idea that a state could deliver the number of votes that is about equal to the number of its residents (mind you that in the past Presidential election, several counties in California delivered more votes than they had adult residents), the “fix” for such a “detail” would be easy. Both California and New York, via “sanctuary” state laws and policies and such, would open themselves to mass illegal migration that would swell their populations to the point where a legal objection to their 60 million votes in favor of the same candidate was no longer defensible.

Of course, this kind of “popular election” process would sink the ship America, and likely turn our great Republic onto something that resembled more the People’s Republic of China, Syria, Venezuela, or any other country that was a major feeder of current mass “migration” (legal and otherwise), with equally massive redistribution of incomes and property to follow.

This is why the Left and their pet minorities are vigorously pushing for disposing or bypassing of the Electoral College. They see the College as a serious obstacle in their well-concerted efforts of hostile takeover of the U.S. and the 20 trillion+ economy that comes with it.

It is good to remember that what the properly functioning Electoral College does, is - among other things - to stop propagation of election fraud, very much the same way like the bulkheads in a ship are to stop propagation of seeping ocean water within the damaged ship’s hull. The sad story of sinking of the RMS Titanic teaches us what is likely to happen to our country once these means of protection are rendered dysfunctional.

RMS Titanic

Several “blue” states are conspiring to circumvent... (show quote)

Most states already give the votes to the person who get the most votes right now with the exception of Maine and Nebraska. There were several elections before and including the 2000 election results started to bring questions about the wisdom of the college. To many of the results were made directly according to what the electoral members wanted. It was always invisioned that college was expected to give its votes to the popular winner but it was not required. According to the results of the 2000 election between Romy and Obama the college voted against the popular vote in Arizona. If that tread had kept up throughout the college , the president would be elected by a handful of citizens.

karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!

zombinis3 wrote:

According to the results of the 2000 election between Romy and Obama the college voted against the popular vote in Arizona

No, It Didn't

2012 Election In Arizona
Romney Had 1,233,654 Votes
Obama Had 1,025,232 Votes
Republicans Got All 11 Electoral Votes

karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!

Seth wrote:

.....want to bring us all down with them.

That's The Problem I Have With Progs
They Won't Just Go Fail On Their Own
They Require Everyone Fail With Them

They're Bludgeoning Us With Their Democracy

Seth

karpenter wrote:

That's The Problem I Have With Progs
They Won't Just Go Fail On Their Own
They Require Everyone Fail With Them

They're Bludgeoning Us With Their Democracy

Their mob mentality emanates from everything they say and do... Mob rule would be just fine with "progressives," at least until the full weight of what they'll have done (if they got their wish) comes home to roost, and they find that it's too late to change their short-sighted little minds.

Tug484

bmac32 wrote:

Democratic motto, if we win at all costs.

They still act like they won when they didn't. They constantly demand they get their way.

zombinis3 Loc: Southwest

karpenter wrote:

No, It Didn't

2012 Election In Arizona
Romney Had 1,233,654 Votes
Obama Had 1,025,232 Votes
Republicans Got All 11 Electoral Votes

Sorry color me embarrassed should have gone a little further back into the records. The contest used by the article was Gore vs Bush;
George W. Bush popular 50,456,002 electoral 271
AL Gores popular 50,999,987 electoral 266 [2]

This changes the view, but still has the same possible outcome of a handful of people picking the winner, If it treads out. Still that particular contest was pretty much in contention.

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

bmac32 wrote:

Several “blue” states are conspiring to circumvent the Electoral College by means of the “National Popular Vote Interstate Compact” initiative. These states will award all their Electoral votes to the candidate who wins the majority of the so-called “popular vote”.

The “National Popular Vote Interstate Compact” initiative is a very dangerous project. It attempts to bypass Constitutional protections against some forms of election fraud. In particular, it facilitates propagation of the ill effects of the election fraud in one or more states into other, fraud-free, states. If implemented, it can sink the ship America (figuratively speaking), as the example below explains.

A typical ship has bulkheads that subdivide its hull into several water-tight compartments. Such construction is supposed to prevent the sinking of the ship should the hull get locally damaged, as the bulkheads stop ocean water from seeping from the damaged compartment into undamaged compartments. As a result, the ship stays buoyant despite having a hole in its hull.

Removing the bulkheads creates a risk that a single hole in the ship’s hull may lead to sinking of the entire ship.

And that is, figuratively speaking, the main objective of the Left’s movement that attempts to dispose of the Electoral College in Presidential elections and replace it with the so-called “popular vote”.

Without the Electoral College, massive election fraud (e.g., ballot box stuffing, vote harvesting, non-citizen voting, re-counting until the desired outcome is met, etc.) in two most populous states (say, California and New York) may easily, if facilitated aggressively by these states, decide the outcomes of any Presidential elections.

For one, it is much easier to execute a decisive election fraud in the “popular vote” system then it is with the Electoral College in place. Just imagine, California delivering 40 million votes (one vote for one California resident) and New York 20 million votes (one vote for one New York resident), for a total of 60 millions votes, in favor of the Left’s desired candidate. If that happens, in the absence of the Electoral College, voters in other states don’t need to vote, as it is extremely unlikely that they can summon more than 60 million votes for somebody else. (With the Electoral College, California and New York would produce just 84 electoral votes out of the total of 538 electoral votes, far less than needed to control the outcome of the election.)

Even if after such an election the Supreme Court objected to the idea that a state could deliver the number of votes that is about equal to the number of its residents (mind you that in the past Presidential election, several counties in California delivered more votes than they had adult residents), the “fix” for such a “detail” would be easy. Both California and New York, via “sanctuary” state laws and policies and such, would open themselves to mass illegal migration that would swell their populations to the point where a legal objection to their 60 million votes in favor of the same candidate was no longer defensible.

Of course, this kind of “popular election” process would sink the ship America, and likely turn our great Republic onto something that resembled more the People’s Republic of China, Syria, Venezuela, or any other country that was a major feeder of current mass “migration” (legal and otherwise), with equally massive redistribution of incomes and property to follow.

This is why the Left and their pet minorities are vigorously pushing for disposing or bypassing of the Electoral College. They see the College as a serious obstacle in their well-concerted efforts of hostile takeover of the U.S. and the 20 trillion+ economy that comes with it.

It is good to remember that what the properly functioning Electoral College does, is - among other things - to stop propagation of election fraud, very much the same way like the bulkheads in a ship are to stop propagation of seeping ocean water within the damaged ship’s hull. The sad story of sinking of the RMS Titanic teaches us what is likely to happen to our country once these means of protection are rendered dysfunctional.

RMS Titanic

Several “blue” states are conspiring to circumvent... (show quote)

Your post is based on two false premises. 1) Constitutionally, each state has the right to select and elect it's electors as they see fit. 2) The states thinking of forming the compact are using the electoral college, not undermining it. It's no different than what's happening now.....just the shoe on the other foot. Republicans are using the electoral college to get minority vote Presidents, liberals are using the electoral college to try to get majority vote Presidents elected.

bahmer

Carol Kelly wrote:

That’s the idea.

I wonder if the supreme court can boycott that idea and make it mute?

woodguru

bmac32 wrote:

Several “blue” states are conspiring to circumvent the Electoral College by means of the “National Popular Vote Interstate Compact” initiative. These states will award all their Electoral votes to the candidate who wins the majority of the so-called “popular vote”.

The “National Popular Vote Interstate Compact” initiative is a very dangerous project. It attempts to bypass Constitutional protections against some forms of election fraud. In particular, it facilitates propagation of the ill effects of the election fraud in one or more states into other, fraud-free, states. If implemented, it can sink the ship America (figuratively speaking), as the example below explains.

A typical ship has bulkheads that subdivide its hull into several water-tight compartments. Such construction is supposed to prevent the sinking of the ship should the hull get locally damaged, as the bulkheads stop ocean water from seeping from the damaged compartment into undamaged compartments. As a result, the ship stays buoyant despite having a hole in its hull.

Removing the bulkheads creates a risk that a single hole in the ship’s hull may lead to sinking of the entire ship.

And that is, figuratively speaking, the main objective of the Left’s movement that attempts to dispose of the Electoral College in Presidential elections and replace it with the so-called “popular vote”.

Without the Electoral College, massive election fraud (e.g., ballot box stuffing, vote harvesting, non-citizen voting, re-counting until the desired outcome is met, etc.) in two most populous states (say, California and New York) may easily, if facilitated aggressively by these states, decide the outcomes of any Presidential elections.

For one, it is much easier to execute a decisive election fraud in the “popular vote” system then it is with the Electoral College in place. Just imagine, California delivering 40 million votes (one vote for one California resident) and New York 20 million votes (one vote for one New York resident), for a total of 60 millions votes, in favor of the Left’s desired candidate. If that happens, in the absence of the Electoral College, voters in other states don’t need to vote, as it is extremely unlikely that they can summon more than 60 million votes for somebody else. (With the Electoral College, California and New York would produce just 84 electoral votes out of the total of 538 electoral votes, far less than needed to control the outcome of the election.)

Even if after such an election the Supreme Court objected to the idea that a state could deliver the number of votes that is about equal to the number of its residents (mind you that in the past Presidential election, several counties in California delivered more votes than they had adult residents), the “fix” for such a “detail” would be easy. Both California and New York, via “sanctuary” state laws and policies and such, would open themselves to mass illegal migration that would swell their populations to the point where a legal objection to their 60 million votes in favor of the same candidate was no longer defensible.

Of course, this kind of “popular election” process would sink the ship America, and likely turn our great Republic onto something that resembled more the People’s Republic of China, Syria, Venezuela, or any other country that was a major feeder of current mass “migration” (legal and otherwise), with equally massive redistribution of incomes and property to follow.

This is why the Left and their pet minorities are vigorously pushing for disposing or bypassing of the Electoral College. They see the College as a serious obstacle in their well-concerted efforts of hostile takeover of the U.S. and the 20 trillion+ economy that comes with it.

It is good to remember that what the properly functioning Electoral College does, is - among other things - to stop propagation of election fraud, very much the same way like the bulkheads in a ship are to stop propagation of seeping ocean water within the damaged ship’s hull. The sad story of sinking of the RMS Titanic teaches us what is likely to happen to our country once these means of protection are rendered dysfunctional.

RMS Titanic

Several “blue” states are conspiring to circumvent... (show quote)

Not an idea I support, but I do support electoral votes being split according to the vote percentage. Giving all electoral votes to the person many people voted against is disregarding the votes of much of a state.

The electoral college so far has been going republicans way, as soon as it doesn't the GOP will be all through with it. The reasons an electoral college system was established no longer applies the same way.

woodguru

karpenter wrote:

That's The Problem I Have With Progs
They Won't Just Go Fail On Their Own
They Require Everyone Fail With Them

They're Bludgeoning Us With Their Democracy

I'm pretty sure we are being bludgeoned with GOP stupidity right now in terms of ridiculous policies and rolling back hard won laws on an executive whim.