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Aug 19, 2019 03:18:46   #
Richard94611
 
You are right about me not wasting my time reading your denial articles. I have already seen most all of the general assertions you deniers make and seen dozens of arguments of specific denials refuted. I have examined the data and come to my conclusion. At some point one must say “Enough !” and reach a conclusion.



maximus wrote:
Here are some "other" facts;

https://thefreedomarticles.com/scientists-refute-manmade-global-warming/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_who_disagree_with_the_scientific_consensus_on_global_warming

https://www.businessinsider.com/nasa-scientists-dispute-climate-change-2012-4

https://principia-scientific.org/empirical-evidence-refutes-greenhouse-gas-theory/

https://climatechangedispatch.com/97-articles-refuting-the-97-consensus/

https://www.wnd.com/2007/09/43489/

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/04/nasa-scientists-rebel-against-global-warming-hysteria.php

https://ricochet.com/194291/archives/50-nasa-scientists-against-global-warming/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCy_UOjEir0

If you take the time to read these articles, which you probably won't, you might just see why some of us just don't believe the climate change theory that seems to be firmly entrenched in the liberal mind.

It seems that the computer models are wrong and have predicted much higher temps than we are seeing. Except for the Russians...they seem to have gotten it right. What was predicted by 90 different climate models, 95 percent of models overestimated actual temperatures. Nothing says science like predicting stuff incorrectly over and over and over again. The consensus is instead of discussing real science, the naysayers would rather berate those who disagree with their faulty computers models. If they're going to convince me, then they have to be accurate, NOT inaccurate. So far, they have failed miserably.
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Aug 19, 2019 03:30:53   #
Larai Loc: Fallon, NV
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Just when I was beginning to believe you aren't a crackpot liberal you go and say some things that could be interpreted this way, "...liberals are...a lot more turned into facts and you conservatives find facts a nuisance that impedes you backward thinking..." This is the sort of thing someone with imprecise thinking would say. How can it impede backward thinking? I think you probably meant to say it "promotes or advances" backward thinking.

Liberals can never adequately argue an issue because they are driven by emotion and have to resort to virtue signaling, implying that they are smarter than everyone and the rest of us don't know what we are talking about, "I think that taking several college-level courses on aspects of the subject, as I have, makes me enormously more qualified to evaluate the data than you are. And I don’t have your bias." You are right you don't have our bias. Yours are much worst and are the elitist kind that thumbs your nose at everyone else because you think they are inferior to your superior intellect.

Make no mistake about it, you think conservatives are inferior. Do you even know a real conservative? You probably never met one teaching at your university where you were so well indoctrinated into liberalism. So you think you've taken more courses and that makes you eminently more qualified to speak about the subject. Another elitist assumption on your part. I not a doctor but I can tell when I'm sick. I'm not an accountant but I can balance my checkbook and file my own tax return. I'm not an auto mechanic but I can fix my car. Maybe not as efficiently, but the work is as effective. An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less.

How do you know you've taken more courses on the subject? Many of the scientists who question the science of global warming have studied and researched this topic in much more detail than you have with your " a few more classes" than the hoi polloi you disdain with such contempt.

Here's an example of something you said, "By the way, the arctic is melting at a rate previously unheard of. The amount of ice in the Arctic Ocean is rapidly diminishing." So what? Ice in the Arctic Ocean that is melting will not raise the sea level one drop higher, even if every bit of ice in the Arctic Ocean melted! I want to see if you can explain to me in your own words why you believe the previous statement is true or is not true in your view.

You said, "You would prefer to have Miami and a lot of other cities just sink beneath the waves?" No one wants that to happen. Well, maybe the Greenies do so that they can stand and announce, "See, we told you so!" That would make them ecstatic.

At the beginning of this thread, I gave you several links that are easy to understand, even for someone with your intelligence. I'll bet you never looked at any of them or if you looked at one you discounted the rest as more propaganda because it doesn't support your conclusion. Why don't you go back and read, with an open mind, all the previous threads posted on OPP about global warming, which has been discussed ad infinitum? Then come back and rebuke some of the arguments presented. So far, all you have done is to bully anyone who disagrees with your thesis. You have not presented any evidence to show this is what is happening.
Just when I was beginning to believe you aren't a ... (show quote)


Thank you! You say ad infinitum I say ad nausea!... Liberals are insulting on a good day.. this is out and out bullshit what that man said, typical liberal thinking! I guess he forgot that to Ass U Me.. (Making Ass Of U and Me) that I have no higher education, or IQ for that matter, is arrogance par extraordinaire! Hell we both probably have more education in REAL Life than that fool & all his lil liberal minions.. I appreciate the back up!!

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Aug 19, 2019 03:37:32   #
Larai Loc: Fallon, NV
 
Richard94611 wrote:
You are right about me not wasting my time reading your denial articles. I have already seen most all of the general assertions you deniers make and seen dozens of arguments of specific denials refuted. I have examined the data and come to my conclusion. At some point one must say “Enough !” and reach a conclusion.


We have reached a conclusion.. and your reticence to read other articles proving opposite your views is just eating you alive, you will never convince us or the other 100's of scientists that have debunked your oh so hallowed view.. PFFT!!! Get a life, and quit lording yourself over others, as far as I am concerned you don't even rate the attention we've given you thus far.. go back to your liberal college!.. have fun with that!... and get over yourself!.. your spew sounds too much like a liberal college Not a religious college.. which are yes, decidedly more conservative than your college..I also agree with Maximus that you wouldn't know the true definition if it bit you in the ass.. have a nice night sir

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Aug 19, 2019 03:52:58   #
Larai Loc: Fallon, NV
 
JFlorio wrote:
Just like all those genius scientists who said we would have global cooling in the seventies and when that didn’t work they changed it to global warming and the coasts all flooded by 2000. That didn’t work so now it’s climate change. Take some more courses. You wasted your money.


What I find Highly amusing is this fools assumptions!! He's takin college courses on ASPECTS of this area of study while assuming that None of us has an education, he's just another waste of DNA and the air we breathe... I say he should go somewhere else where his Opinions would be exalted as gospel by his other liberal buddies in arms... Why would a liberal come to a place where their stupidity is called out.. why not go to a Nice cushy liberal forum so ppl can agree and he can feel so much Larger than he is and he can have a "safe place" *rolls eyes*.. He does seem to be like the other liberals on OPP... a Legend in his Own Mind!.. lmao!! This subject has been done to death, gettin tired of kickin the same can down the road.. wonders if anyone Else is tired of it?

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Aug 19, 2019 03:59:41   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
Richard94611 wrote:
You are right about me not wasting my time reading your denial articles. I have already seen most all of the general assertions you deniers make and seen dozens of arguments of specific denials refuted. I have examined the data and come to my conclusion. At some point one must say “Enough !” and reach a conclusion.


So you deny that 90 computer models are wrong, and that predicting the wrong results over and over is the way of science. This is where your liberal bias comes into play. You believe that being liberal and taught in a liberal collage by liberal professors gives you a leg up over other people. Yet, you deny that 90 computer models are wrong when they never predict the "correct" temps. There has been no significant sea level rise and there are 533,000 MORE square miles of ice in the Arctic than there was in 2012. The BBC reported in 2007 global warming would leave the Arctic ice-free in summer by 2013. Didn't happen. Is that science? To be wrong all the time?
I am not collage educated so make fun of me. It's OK. The difference in us two is that I can see that something is bad wrong with what you are saying is fact. You can't see it. Your mind is not open to reality.

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Aug 19, 2019 04:26:00   #
Larai Loc: Fallon, NV
 
maximus wrote:
So you deny that 90 computer models are wrong, and that predicting the wrong results over and over is the way of science. This is where your liberal bias comes into play. You believe that being liberal and taught in a liberal collage by liberal professors gives you a leg up over other people. Yet, you deny that 90 computer models are wrong when they never predict the "correct" temps. There has been no significant sea level rise and there are 533,000 MORE square miles of ice in the Arctic than there was in 2012. The BBC reported in 2007 global warming would leave the Arctic ice-free in summer by 2013. Didn't happen. Is that science? To be wrong all the time?
I am not collage educated so make fun of me. It's OK. The difference in us two is that I can see that something is bad wrong with what you are saying is fact. You can't see it. Your mind is not open to reality.
So you deny that 90 computer models are wrong, and... (show quote)


You are right!! He is VERY close minded.. not even to the possibility he could be proven wrong. Can't have that by gawd...He like other liberals think their views are gospel.. He will brook no disagreement from anyone, and He is so arrogant, he can't see the forest for the trees!!.. So laser focused that he refuses to see anyone else's take on anything contrary to his opinions..and that is ALL they are is opinions!!.. and we know what those are!.. Ol' Richard thinks his crap smells like roses, and he thinks that people other than him or his ilk are uneducated, a Nasty and dangerous assumption.. when really, he's just as much a blow hard as any devout liberal and he would never bother to read something that could prove him wrong!..A lot wrong with his attitude!
I say he should go ahead and under estimate me...That'll be Fun!!!

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Aug 19, 2019 04:37:43   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Richard94611 wrote:
I think that taking several college-level courses on aspects of the subject, as I have, makes me enormously more qualified to evaluate the data than you are. And I don’t have your bias

Wow, it is fascinating that someone who took "several college-level courses on aspects of the subject" but did not major in climatology or atmospheric sciences is an expert who is "enormously more qualified to evaluate the data". More qualified than whom?

What were these "several courses"? What "aspects of the subject" were taught in these several courses?

You're padding your resume there, bubba, you're pushing a rope, you're doing the old liberal overreach.

Earth's climate changes, over time it gets warm, then it cools off, been doing that for many moons, like long before any human beings even thought about "aspects of the subject".

If you want to talk directly to the real climate change artist, talk to the Sun.

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Aug 19, 2019 08:52:40   #
Cuda2020
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Just when I was beginning to believe you aren't a crackpot liberal you go and say some things that could be interpreted this way, "...liberals are...a lot more turned into facts and you conservatives find facts a nuisance that impedes you backward thinking..." This is the sort of thing someone with imprecise thinking would say. How can it impede backward thinking? I think you probably meant to say it "promotes or advances" backward thinking.

Liberals can never adequately argue an issue because they are driven by emotion and have to resort to virtue signaling, implying that they are smarter than everyone and the rest of us don't know what we are talking about, "I think that taking several college-level courses on aspects of the subject, as I have, makes me enormously more qualified to evaluate the data than you are. And I don’t have your bias." You are right you don't have our bias. Yours are much worst and are the elitist kind that thumbs your nose at everyone else because you think they are inferior to your superior intellect.

Make no mistake about it, you think conservatives are inferior. Do you even know a real conservative? You probably never met one teaching at your university where you were so well indoctrinated into liberalism. So you think you've taken more courses and that makes you eminently more qualified to speak about the subject. Another elitist assumption on your part. I not a doctor but I can tell when I'm sick. I'm not an accountant but I can balance my checkbook and file my own tax return. I'm not an auto mechanic but I can fix my car. Maybe not as efficiently, but the work is as effective. An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less.

How do you know you've taken more courses on the subject? Many of the scientists who question the science of global warming have studied and researched this topic in much more detail than you have with your " a few more classes" than the hoi polloi you disdain with such contempt.

Here's an example of something you said, "By the way, the arctic is melting at a rate previously unheard of. The amount of ice in the Arctic Ocean is rapidly diminishing." So what? Ice in the Arctic Ocean that is melting will not raise the sea level one drop higher, even if every bit of ice in the Arctic Ocean melted! I want to see if you can explain to me in your own words why you believe the previous statement is true or is not true in your view.

You said, "You would prefer to have Miami and a lot of other cities just sink beneath the waves?" No one wants that to happen. Well, maybe the Greenies do so that they can stand and announce, "See, we told you so!" That would make them ecstatic.

At the beginning of this thread, I gave you several links that are easy to understand, even for someone with your intelligence. I'll bet you never looked at any of them or if you looked at one you discounted the rest as more propaganda because it doesn't support your conclusion. Why don't you go back and read, with an open mind, all the previous threads posted on OPP about global warming, which has been discussed ad infinitum? Then come back and rebuke some of the arguments presented. So far, all you have done is to bully anyone who disagrees with your thesis. You have not presented any evidence to show this is what is happening.
Just when I was beginning to believe you aren't a ... (show quote)


Roughly 197 billion tons of ice from Greenland melted into the Atlantic Ocean in July, Ruth Mottram, a climate scientist with the Danish Meteorological Institute, told CBS News Friday. That's about 36 percent more than scientists expect in an average year. 11 billion tons of ice melted in Greenland — in just one day.

While Greenland's ice sheets usually melt during the summer, record temperatures have meant a longer and more dramatic melt season. As sea levels rise globally, so do the likelihood of extreme weather events and coastal flooding.

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Aug 19, 2019 08:59:45   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Richard94611 wrote:
So without knowing any of the curcumstances, you condemn college courses. Ignoramus you ! I will tell you something: the reason you see colleges as being predominantly liberal (with the definite exception of religious colleges) is because liberals are a hell of a lot more tuned into facts, and you conservatives find facts a nuisance that impedes your backward thinking.. FACTS, Larasi, facts. Something heavily into facts that doesn't accept your fantasies you then call "Liberal."


Hey it's your leading candidate that said you guys are into truth not facts.

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Aug 19, 2019 09:01:10   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
Roughly 197 billion tons of ice from Greenland melted into the Atlantic Ocean in July, Ruth Mottram, a climate scientist with the Danish Meteorological Institute, told CBS News Friday. That's about 36 percent more than scientists expect in an average year. 11 billion tons of ice melted in Greenland — in just one day.

While Greenland's ice sheets usually melt during the summer, record temperatures have meant a longer and more dramatic melt season. As sea levels rise globally, so do the likelihood of extreme weather events and coastal flooding.
Roughly 197 billion tons of ice from Greenland mel... (show quote)


That's complete BS. So what anyway? I'D RATHER HAVE GREEN LAND than ice.
Seems like these guys never get it right anyway.
In 2006, estimated monthly changes in the mass of Greenland's ice sheet suggest that it is melting at a rate of about 239 cubic kilometers (57 cu mi) per year. A more recent study, based on reprocessed and improved data between 2003 and 2008, reports an average trend of 195 cubic kilometers (47 cu mi) per year. So we had an anomaly this year? What you gonna do about it. I know what'll work. A carbon tax. We'll hurt the American consumer, maybe wreck Americas economy and let China and India keep pouring out green house gas's unchecked; but at least the liberals can pat themselves on the back and feel good about themselves.

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Aug 19, 2019 09:17:29   #
Cuda2020
 
JFlorio wrote:
Hey it's your leading candidate that said you guys are into truth not facts.


Yeah, that was not his best campaign comment, agreed, but we can also look up many from Trump, like when he couldn't say origins and kept saying oranges, maybe we should all embrace a good sense of humor at this point.

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Aug 19, 2019 09:27:54   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
Yeah, that was not his best campaign comment, agreed, but we can also look up many from Trump, like when he couldn't say origins and kept saying oranges, maybe we should all embrace a good sense of humor at this point.
Yeah, that was not his best campaign comment, agre... (show quote)


If you're going to listen to politicians you better have a sense of humor. What most forget is that they are all human beings in Washington D.C.. Which means they're flawed. To follow any of them blindly is to walk off a cliff.

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Aug 19, 2019 09:41:11   #
Cuda2020
 
JFlorio wrote:
That's complete BS. So what anyway? I'D RATHER HAVE GREEN LAND than ice.
Seems like these guys never get it right anyway.
In 2006, estimated monthly changes in the mass of Greenland's ice sheet suggest that it is melting at a rate of about 239 cubic kilometers (57 cu mi) per year. A more recent study, based on reprocessed and improved data between 2003 and 2008, reports an average trend of 195 cubic kilometers (47 cu mi) per year. So we had an anomaly this year? What you gonna do about it. I know what'll work. A carbon tax. We'll hurt the American consumer, maybe wreck Americas economy and let China and India keep pouring out green house gas's unchecked; but at least the liberals can pat themselves on the back and feel good about themselves.
That's complete BS. So what anyway? I'D RATHER HAV... (show quote)


It's not an anomaly or an abnormality, it is a continued trend, as we increase the consecutive pattern of record-breaking heat.

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Aug 19, 2019 09:41:24   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
JFlorio wrote:
That's complete BS. So what anyway? I'D RATHER HAVE GREEN LAND than ice.
Seems like these guys never get it right anyway.
In 2006, estimated monthly changes in the mass of Greenland's ice sheet suggest that it is melting at a rate of about 239 cubic kilometers (57 cu mi) per year. A more recent study, based on reprocessed and improved data between 2003 and 2008, reports an average trend of 195 cubic kilometers (47 cu mi) per year. So we had an anomaly this year? What you gonna do about it. I know what'll work. A carbon tax. We'll hurt the American consumer, maybe wreck Americas economy and let China and India keep pouring out green house gas's unchecked; but at least the liberals can pat themselves on the back and feel good about themselves.
That's complete BS. So what anyway? I'D RATHER HAV... (show quote)


A great point. That's about half the world population that isn't trying to help at all.

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Aug 19, 2019 09:44:41   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
It's not an anomaly or an abnormality, it is a continued trend, as we increase the consecutive pattern of record-breaking heat.


You sound like Beto,like its all the fault of the US. We could cut every single source of CO2 in the US to zero and the warming will continue.

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