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Aug 8, 2019 17:08:11   #
Lonewolf
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Yeah, I know. The NICS system has the potential of being quite effective if its requirements for purchases were enforced. Problem is many police departments and courts are failing miserably in enforcing gun laws, and many politicians will not demand it. Plus, there are licensed gun dealers who have cut corners to make a buck. I think it would make a big difference also if the IDs of people with recognized and officially documented dangerous mental issues are uploaded to the NICS database.

I've attended some of the biggest gun shows in America--Midwest Arms Collectors, Crossroads of the West, Washington Arms Collectors--and quite a few smaller ones. Talked to a lot of dealers and the police officers and sheriff's deputies who patrol them, and haven't heard of unauthorized or illegal sales taking place. The cops told me that, based on the stats, gun shows are the last place criminals would go to obtain weapons. A study on where criminals get their guns revealed that 0.8% bought or traded for the firearm at a gun show. The biggest source is off the street or the black market. 7% are stolen.

What we really need, wolf, is diligent and aggressive enforcement of the most sensible gun laws already on the books.
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my dad told me after ww2 the NRA told the government that a lot of men were coming back that would have an interest in firearms that they never had before.
and that the government should pass a law saying the minimum sentence for any crime committed with a gun be 25 years! now we know even to this day they don't enforce or punish on constant bases. and there it is think of all the lives that would be saved with just the laws on the books,

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Aug 8, 2019 22:31:36   #
Navigator
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Yeah, I know. The NICS system has the potential of being quite effective if its requirements for purchases were enforced. Problem is many police departments and courts are failing miserably in enforcing gun laws, and many politicians will not demand it. Plus, there are licensed gun dealers who have cut corners to make a buck. I think it would make a big difference also if the IDs of people with recognized and officially documented dangerous mental issues are uploaded to the NICS database.

I've attended some of the biggest gun shows in America--Midwest Arms Collectors, Crossroads of the West, Washington Arms Collectors--and quite a few smaller ones. Talked to a lot of dealers and the police officers and sheriff's deputies who patrol them, and haven't heard of unauthorized or illegal sales taking place. The cops told me that, based on the stats, gun shows are the last place criminals would go to obtain weapons. A study on where criminals get their guns revealed that 0.8% bought or traded for the firearm at a gun show. The biggest source is off the street or the black market. 7% are stolen.

What we really need, wolf, is diligent and aggressive enforcement of the most sensible gun laws already on the books.
Yeah, I know. The NICS system has the potential of... (show quote)


I would add arrest every single felon who fails the instant check as they are committing another felony by attempting to purchase a firearm.

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Aug 9, 2019 07:36:22   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
factnotfiction wrote:
Puts things into prospective as to who wants to curtail gun violence and future mass shootings



https://nypost.com/2019/08/08/nra-warns-trump-after-he-endorses-background-checks/




As usual, fictionnotfact, like all liberals, assumes his is the answer. There is no room in his world for debate. The solution of background checks is one where anyone can raise a question about a person. So his gun rights are taken away for something he MIGHT do?

You have no legitimate answer for this fictionnotfact.

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Aug 9, 2019 08:17:22   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
factnotfiction wrote:
Puts things into prospective as to who wants to curtail gun violence and future mass shootings



https://nypost.com/2019/08/08/nra-warns-trump-after-he-endorses-background-checks/


No, it doesn't. He told Trump the truth. We don't need another gun law, there are too many already that aren't enforced. Trump would lose supporters.

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Aug 9, 2019 08:24:44   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
woodguru wrote:
Trump can say whatever he wants knowing McConnell has his back and won't vote on anything.

The president as a leader could and should be making it 100% clear to the senate that it is time to stop killing bills and start governing by debating and voting on the hundreds of bills that have been sent to the senate over the last eight months. McConnell is aiding and abetting a do nothing government even though the house is finally passing bipartisan bills that would pass.


All part of the game plan. Control the Senate and Trump doesn't have to even consider stupid legislation from the House with hidden poison pills in them. Pelosi doesn't read bills anyway. You have to pass it first so she can find out what it says. Trump is running circles around the loony left.

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Aug 9, 2019 11:24:42   #
kemmer
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Not the leftist. They will not address the real issue.

McConnell is awaiting his next check from the NRA to decide what to do about gun control.

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Aug 9, 2019 11:54:08   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, CO
 
kemmer wrote:
McConnell is awaiting his next check from the NRA to decide what to do about gun control.


OK, tell me Einstein of one NRA member who has committed a mass shooting. Your turn lil feller. I think the only people who should posse firearms are NRA members. They are the responsible ones, regardless of what you libbys regurgitate~

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Aug 9, 2019 12:17:47   #
kemmer
 
Jakebrake wrote:
OK, tell me Einstein of one NRA member who has committed a mass shooting. Your turn lil feller. I think the only people who should posse firearms are NRA members. They are the responsible ones, regardless of what you libbys regurgitate~

Is it you just don’t get it, or are you purposely being obtuse?

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Aug 9, 2019 12:21:55   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, CO
 
kemmer wrote:
Is it you just don’t get it, or are you purposely being obtuse?


Still waiting kemmie for you to tell me of just one NRA member committing a mass shooting. If you just don't get it, are you being purposely ignorant?

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Aug 9, 2019 13:29:28   #
factnotfiction
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
As usual, fictionnotfact, like all liberals, assumes his is the answer. There is no room in his world for debate. The solution of background checks is one where anyone can raise a question about a person. So his gun rights are taken away for something he MIGHT do?

You have no legitimate answer for this fictionnotfact.


Since you are far to stupid to read the article, the dispute is between trump and the nra.

Frankly i don't give a damn whether trump gets his background checks or he doesn't.

The post was to allow rational people to discuss the subject.

Too bad you don't qualify

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Aug 9, 2019 15:34:24   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
tommsteyer wrote:
the point of all the liberal shrieking about the shooting tragedies was to shame Trump away from the NRA.

None of the people coming to Trump rallies are guilty of mass killing sprees. Gun Control . But the left wants to scare away NRA voters from punching in 2020 Trump on the ballot.


You could have 67 restrictions on the gun license appication and these crazy fries schizoids would steal their neighbors chainsaw or buy something on Craigslist. Or pay a couple of teenagers in the back woods for their dads rifles or swapmeet buys.
the point of all the liberal shrieking about the s... (show quote)


You seem to be getting it. No guns, use a nail gun or a crossbow or a car. There is a myriad of weapons out there. I can say some free ones, won't because why give anyone ideas.



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Aug 9, 2019 15:42:45   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
kemmer wrote:
Is it you just don’t get it, or are you purposely being obtuse?


I think we get it. It's way too late to close the barn door, the wild horses got out of there a long time ago.

The root causes of violence are in the human condition, not in an inanimate object. The root causes of violence transcend politics, they cannot be treated, or even cured, with legislation. Laws only apply to those willing to obey them. Adding another gun control law to the 33,000 already on the books would be as effective as pissing in the ocean.

Right now, the BGC/red flag thing is just talk. It is a Trump proposal and if it ever makes it through the congressional meat grinder, especially the HOR asylum, and lands on Trump's desk, it will bear no resemblance to its former self.

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Aug 9, 2019 16:39:38   #
badbob85037
 
As a boy my vacations were either a deer camp or a duck lodge. My mother and father were both hunters. Not with just rifles but pistols and bow. When 12 every kid my age in the neighborhood went to the NRA safety classes held at our schools. Only when we passed that course were we given our first 22's. Mine was a semi-auto Marlin. From that time almost ever weekend you would find all of us out hunting rabbits or plinking at targets. This continued till we enlisted or were drafted. In all that time never did we act stupid or childish with our weapons. No accidents and no nothing but good memories. I didn't live out in the woods or out on a farm. I lived 30 miles North East of San Francisco in a city of 250,000. We carried our 22/s on the handle bars of our bikes through town to where ever we were going and not once did police question us.

Today liberals have kicked the NRA out of the schools and children have only two way to learn about gun safety, parents or the TV.. No longer is a gun a tool but something exotic and on every TV station made to look cool. Is it a wonder we always read of children getting a hold of some yahoos gun and shooting them self or another child. If you failed to teach your child to cross the street in a nation with over 270 million cars I would say that is totally irresponsible. No matter if you hate gun letting your child learn about guns through TV in a nation with close to 400 million guns is more than irresponsible. It's a death wish for your child as TV doesn't glorify the car.

I see these miss guided parents all the time trying to keep guns away from their kids. I had a mother go off on me last year from letting her kid shoot a BB gun. She learned fast this is not a subject I cave on. Weather she took my free advice or not I don't know.

Like I said democrats have taken away all aspects of safe gun handling from kids and it's all on the parent. Even if they never touch a gun again in their life they will carry the safety with them. If they decide to join the military they will be a step ahead of the game and may just save their life. Be responsible and be a good parent.

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Aug 9, 2019 17:25:16   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
badbob85037 wrote:
As a boy my vacations were either a deer camp or a duck lodge. My mother and father were both hunters. Not with just rifles but pistols and bow. When 12 every kid my age in the neighborhood went to the NRA safety classes held at our schools. Only when we passed that course were we given our first 22's. Mine was a semi-auto Marlin. From that time almost ever weekend you would find all of us out hunting rabbits or plinking at targets. This continued till we enlisted or were drafted. In all that time never did we act stupid or childish with our weapons. No accidents and no nothing but good memories. I didn't live out in the woods or out on a farm. I lived 30 miles North East of San Francisco in a city of 250,000. We carried our 22/s on the handle bars of our bikes through town to where ever we were going and not once did police question us.

Today liberals have kicked the NRA out of the schools and children have only two way to learn about gun safety, parents or the TV.. No longer is a gun a tool but something exotic and on every TV station made to look cool. Is it a wonder we always read of children getting a hold of some yahoos gun and shooting them self or another child. If you failed to teach your child to cross the street in a nation with over 270 million cars I would say that is totally irresponsible. No matter if you hate gun letting your child learn about guns through TV in a nation with close to 400 million guns is more than irresponsible. It's a death wish for your child as TV doesn't glorify the car.

I see these miss guided parents all the time trying to keep guns away from their kids. I had a mother go off on me last year from letting her kid shoot a BB gun. She learned fast this is not a subject I cave on. Weather she took my free advice or not I don't know.

Like I said democrats have taken away all aspects of safe gun handling from kids and it's all on the parent. Even if they never touch a gun again in their life they will carry the safety with them. If they decide to join the military they will be a step ahead of the game and may just save their life. Be responsible and be a good parent.
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Aug 9, 2019 17:52:25   #
roy
 
badbob85037 wrote:
As a boy my vacations were either a deer camp or a duck lodge. My mother and father were both hunters. Not with just rifles but pistols and bow. When 12 every kid my age in the neighborhood went to the NRA safety classes held at our schools. Only when we passed that course were we given our first 22's. Mine was a semi-auto Marlin. From that time almost ever weekend you would find all of us out hunting rabbits or plinking at targets. This continued till we enlisted or were drafted. In all that time never did we act stupid or childish with our weapons. No accidents and no nothing but good memories. I didn't live out in the woods or out on a farm. I lived 30 miles North East of San Francisco in a city of 250,000. We carried our 22/s on the handle bars of our bikes through town to where ever we were going and not once did police question us.

Today liberals have kicked the NRA out of the schools and children have only two way to learn about gun safety, parents or the TV.. No longer is a gun a tool but something exotic and on every TV station made to look cool. Is it a wonder we always read of children getting a hold of some yahoos gun and shooting them self or another child. If you failed to teach your child to cross the street in a nation with over 270 million cars I would say that is totally irresponsible. No matter if you hate gun letting your child learn about guns through TV in a nation with close to 400 million guns is more than irresponsible. It's a death wish for your child as TV doesn't glorify the car.

I see these miss guided parents all the time trying to keep guns away from their kids. I had a mother go off on me last year from letting her kid shoot a BB gun. She learned fast this is not a subject I cave on. Weather she took my free advice or not I don't know.

Like I said democrats have taken away all aspects of safe gun handling from kids and it's all on the parent. Even if they never touch a gun again in their life they will carry the safety with them. If they decide to join the military they will be a step ahead of the game and may just save their life. Be responsible and be a good parent.
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Funny my grandkids shoot every weekend when we dont have baseball or softball tournaments.Quit blaming liberals for everything that you think is wrong in your life,we like guns ,we have many guns and our kids and grandkids know how to use them maybe not the 3 year old yet,but she will soon.The thing the right doesnt understand because you listen to talking points from your party,is us liberal love our guns and there is nobody going to take our guns,we may not be the good nra members the right is but i dont like giving my money to a group that their leader lives like a king,on the members dime.There is as many on the right that want to take you guns as there is on the left. DO YOU GET IT

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