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Aug 1, 2019 22:03:35   #
son of witless
 
permafrost wrote:
well said,,

I had not considered all of those things, but clearly they make reopening a mine very questionable.. or starting a new one..

We will see very little of coal from now on..


Why do you hate Coal Miners ?

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Aug 2, 2019 01:44:20   #
EconomistDon
 
permafrost wrote:
Nwtk,,, I am very surprised you would post this remark..

https://climatenexus.org/climate-issues/energy/whats-driving-the-decline-of-coal-in-the-united-states/

The U.S. coal industry is declining in the face of lower-cost natural gas, renewable energy and regulations designed to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and protect public health. Decades of mechanization have also reduced employment. This has spurred a wave of coal companies to declare bankruptcy, including four industry giants between 2015 and 2018.

Utilities are accelerating their retirement of coal plants because they are increasingly uneconomical. According to cost estimates from investment bank Lazard, the lower-end of the average price for coal-fired power is now almost $20 higher per megawatt hour than that for a natural gas. The lower-end of the average prices per megawatt hour for wind and utility-scale solar are even more competitive with coal, even without subsidies, at $29 and $36 respectively.

As of 2018, 70 percent of coal capacity in the U.S. had a higher running cost than renewables, and by 2030, that number is expected to reach 100 percent.
Nwtk,,, I am very surprised you would post this re... (show quote)


Coal STOPPED declining when Trump took office. Here is a chart showing coal mining jobs from 2012 through June of 2019. The data are from the US Bureau of Labor Statistics. Please go to www.bls.gov to verify the data.



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Aug 2, 2019 08:44:53   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
son of witless wrote:
Why do you hate Coal Miners ?


why would you think I hate coal miners??

They have more than enough to worry about..

They should have grabbed the retraining opportunities they had when President Obama was in office..



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Aug 2, 2019 09:04:48   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
EconomistDon wrote:
Coal STOPPED declining when Trump took office. Here is a chart showing coal mining jobs from 2012 through June of 2019. The data are from the US Bureau of Labor Statistics. Please go to www.bls.gov to verify the data.



Pay extra attention to the end,,, then if you wish, follow the link and read the rest of this article.


https://www.salon.com/2019/07/03/trump-said-hed-save-coal-two-more-producers-go-bankrupt-with-1800-jobs-lost/


he coal industry was rocked by two massive bankruptcy filings this week that have put nearly 2,000 jobs at risk in Virginia, Kentucky, Wyoming and West Virginia.

Revelation Energy LLC., a West Virginia-based company that employs about 1,100 people in West Virginia, Virginia and Kentucky, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in the Southern District of West Virginia, the Lexington Herald-Leader reported. Cumberland, Kentucky, Mayor Charles Raleigh told the outlet that the company has already shut down its nearby mines and workers were told not to show up for work.


The move comes as Revelation’s parent company, Blackjewel LLC, shuttered two coal mines in Wyoming amid its own bankruptcy filing, leaving 700 workers unemployed, The Casper Star-Tribune reported. The two mines, Eagle Butte and Belle Ayr, are the fourth- and sixth-largest producing coal mines in the country.

In a bankruptcy filing Monday, Blackjewel owner Jeff Hoops cited declining demand for coal and increased consumption of renewable energy as causes for the company’s fall.

“The entire industry either has gone through, or is currently going through, a period of financial distress and reorganization,” Hoops wrote.

Blackjewel and Revelation are millions in debt to state and federal agencies. The company owes $60 million to the Interior Department and another $6 million to the Kentucky state treasurer, the Herald-Leader reported. Blackjewel’s total debts are more than $500 million, the Star-Tribune reported.

Revelation and Blackjewel’s filings came just two weeks after Cambrian Coal, which operated a large coal operation in Kentucky and Virginia, also filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. The coal industry has been in steep decline in Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s home state, where coal output has dropped from 68 million tons per year to just 17 million tons since 2011, while costing the state nearly 10,000 coal jobs.

In Wyoming, Blackjewel is the fifth coal producer to file for bankruptcy in recent years, the Star-Tribune reported.

Wyoming Gov. Mark Gordon said in a statement that the bankruptcies will hit workers and their families the hardest.

“This announcement is hardest on the individuals who work at these important mines and their families, and our most immediate concerns lay with them,” he said. “We are not unprepared for this set of circumstances and are eager to do all we can for the hardworking employees of these mines.”

President Trump has not commented on the rash of recent coal producer bankruptcies, which have not been saved by his promises to save and revive the industry. Despite Trump's declaration that “coal is back” as recently as last year, U.S. coal consumption has fallen to its lowest level since 1978, according to the Department of Energy.

Since his election, 51 coal plants have closed and eight coal companies have filed for bankruptcy, CBS News reported.


Just last month, the U.S. Energy Information Administration revealed that renewable energy production had surpassed coal-fired generation for the first time in history.

“The fate of coal has been sealed, the market has spoken. The trend is irreversible now, the decline of coal is unstoppable despite Donald Trump’s rhetoric,” Michael Webber, an energy expert at the University of Texas, told The Guardian. “Trump has made a promise that will be broken, which is a tragedy for coalminers who were told they don’t need to get other jobs or get new skills. They have been sent the wrong signal and now there are lay-offs.”

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Aug 2, 2019 09:09:56   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
Pay extra attention to the end,,, then if you wish, follow the link and read the rest of this article.


https://www.salon.com/2019/07/03/trump-said-hed-save-coal-two-more-producers-go-bankrupt-with-1800-jobs-lost/


he coal industry was rocked by two massive bankruptcy filings this week that have put nearly 2,000 jobs at risk in Virginia, Kentucky, Wyoming and West Virginia.

Revelation Energy LLC., a West Virginia-based company that employs about 1,100 people in West Virginia, Virginia and Kentucky, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in the Southern District of West Virginia, the Lexington Herald-Leader reported. Cumberland, Kentucky, Mayor Charles Raleigh told the outlet that the company has already shut down its nearby mines and workers were told not to show up for work.


The move comes as Revelation’s parent company, Blackjewel LLC, shuttered two coal mines in Wyoming amid its own bankruptcy filing, leaving 700 workers unemployed, The Casper Star-Tribune reported. The two mines, Eagle Butte and Belle Ayr, are the fourth- and sixth-largest producing coal mines in the country.

In a bankruptcy filing Monday, Blackjewel owner Jeff Hoops cited declining demand for coal and increased consumption of renewable energy as causes for the company’s fall.

“The entire industry either has gone through, or is currently going through, a period of financial distress and reorganization,” Hoops wrote.

Blackjewel and Revelation are millions in debt to state and federal agencies. The company owes $60 million to the Interior Department and another $6 million to the Kentucky state treasurer, the Herald-Leader reported. Blackjewel’s total debts are more than $500 million, the Star-Tribune reported.

Revelation and Blackjewel’s filings came just two weeks after Cambrian Coal, which operated a large coal operation in Kentucky and Virginia, also filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. The coal industry has been in steep decline in Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s home state, where coal output has dropped from 68 million tons per year to just 17 million tons since 2011, while costing the state nearly 10,000 coal jobs.

In Wyoming, Blackjewel is the fifth coal producer to file for bankruptcy in recent years, the Star-Tribune reported.

Wyoming Gov. Mark Gordon said in a statement that the bankruptcies will hit workers and their families the hardest.

“This announcement is hardest on the individuals who work at these important mines and their families, and our most immediate concerns lay with them,” he said. “We are not unprepared for this set of circumstances and are eager to do all we can for the hardworking employees of these mines.”

President Trump has not commented on the rash of recent coal producer bankruptcies, which have not been saved by his promises to save and revive the industry. Despite Trump's declaration that “coal is back” as recently as last year, U.S. coal consumption has fallen to its lowest level since 1978, according to the Department of Energy.

Since his election, 51 coal plants have closed and eight coal companies have filed for bankruptcy, CBS News reported.


Just last month, the U.S. Energy Information Administration revealed that renewable energy production had surpassed coal-fired generation for the first time in history.

“The fate of coal has been sealed, the market has spoken. The trend is irreversible now, the decline of coal is unstoppable despite Donald Trump’s rhetoric,” Michael Webber, an energy expert at the University of Texas, told The Guardian. “Trump has made a promise that will be broken, which is a tragedy for coalminers who were told they don’t need to get other jobs or get new skills. They have been sent the wrong signal and now there are lay-offs.”
Pay extra attention to the end,,, then if you wish... (show quote)


These are some of the end results of the goals and efforts of the Obama admin to put the coal industry out of business, but certainly it probably won't reach previous highs of production. Then again, with so many in the world producing coal fired power plants still, there is a foreign demand thta is actually increasing.

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Aug 2, 2019 09:28:02   #
MR Mister Loc: Washington DC
 
permafrost wrote:
I bet you have never been forced to live without health insurance.. I have..

You do not like to tax the rich.. graduated taxation is not what you like?

do you have any alternative plan?

Your interpretation of the idea shows you have no concept of that policy either..


You are so nieve, as I have said before I lived on a big sail boat for many years in 3rd world places.
if one has Blue Cross ins, where do you go? lol, nowhere. My wife got sick one day, I took her to a doctor who spoke English, he checked her out gave us a prescription charge me $10.00 the meds cost $3.00 she was fine.

So I lived for many years without any health insurance. No big deal.

The problem here in America is too much government, too much control over everything. We all are under control for everything we do. If you find a dog running free and take it home, you MUST BUY A LICENSES for it. Where does it say that? If your kid sells lemon aid you need to give big brother money so he can do it.

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Aug 2, 2019 12:00:27   #
son of witless
 
permafrost wrote:
why would you think I hate coal miners??

They have more than enough to worry about..

They should have grabbed the retraining opportunities they had when President Obama was in office..


For all of those good GREEN JOBS that never happened ?

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Aug 2, 2019 14:00:44   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
son of witless wrote:
For all of those good GREEN JOBS that never happened ?


Shovel ready!

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Aug 2, 2019 14:33:03   #
free believer
 
To debeda: The Obama EO was as you surmise was a ( temporary at BEST ) solution that needed to be Congressionally approved. Trump expanded that to a Permanent change to the law WITHOUT any Congressional action. Section 5 states "The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article ". NEITHER of them has the power to legislate... and yet you demean Obama and seem to grant Trump such power. Is Trump somehow deserving the legislative power that Obama, in your estimation, had no right to use?

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Aug 2, 2019 14:49:17   #
free believer
 
Yesterday on CBS news was a piece about one of the largest Coal companies going bankrupt: the non union workforce was denied the wages owed to them by the company. Just how badly do we need resurgence of such a caring, responsible companies?

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Aug 2, 2019 16:36:17   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
These are some of the end results of the goals and efforts of the Obama admin to put the coal industry out of business, but certainly it probably won't reach previous highs of production. Then again, with so many in the world producing coal fired power plants still, there is a foreign demand thta is actually increasing.



You are dreaming, it was not public safety that ended coal, it was and is market forces, not wanting the harmful dirty and dangerous us of expensive coal.
replaced world wide by renewables and concern for climate and people rather then the pocket book of a handful of owners..



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Aug 2, 2019 16:40:10   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
MR Mister wrote:
You are so nieve, as I have said before I lived on a big sail boat for many years in 3rd world places.
if one has Blue Cross ins, where do you go? lol, nowhere. My wife got sick one day, I took her to a doctor who spoke English, he checked her out gave us a prescription charge me $10.00 the meds cost $3.00 she was fine.

So I lived for many years without any health insurance. No big deal.

The problem here in America is too much government, too much control over everything. We all are under control for everything we do. If you find a dog running free and take it home, you MUST BUY A LICENSES for it. Where does it say that? If your kid sells lemon aid you need to give big brother money so he can do it.
You are so nieve, as I have said before I lived on... (show quote)





You should have stayed in your 3rd world country..

If you hate our nation so much why did you come here?

go back to where you came from, we do not want you.. go home..



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Aug 2, 2019 16:45:16   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
son of witless wrote:
For all of those good GREEN JOBS that never happened ?


You right wingers are stubborn if nothing else..

https://www.edf.org/energy/clean-energy-jobs

he renewable energy sector employs 777,000 people, roughly the same as the U.S. telecommunications industry. Bioenergy – which comes from organic material – remains the largest employer, while the solar industry is second.

The most rapid renewable energy job growth has come from the solar and wind sectors, which rose by 24.5 percent and 16 percent, respectively, from 2016 to 2017. Solar and wind energy jobs outnumber coal and gas jobs in 30 states, including the District of Columbia.

The coal industry, which has been declining, now employs 160,000 workers, less than a quarter as many Americans as the renewable energy industry.

The green states, green jobs outnumber coal jobs
The green states, green jobs outnumber coal jobs...

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Aug 2, 2019 16:47:15   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Shovel ready!


They sure happened in blue states!!

Look to your own state governments which kept you jobless..



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Aug 2, 2019 17:08:58   #
son of witless
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Shovel ready!


Coal miners already know how to work shovels so they did not need Obummer to retrain them. Alas, as you say, those shovel ready Obummer jobs were never shovel ready. Trump shovel ready private sector jobs are crying for skilled workers. I guess idiot Obama di-int retrain them correctly.

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