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Jul 27, 2019 10:25:27   #
Radiance3
 
Singularity wrote:
You are just throwing more irrelevant and unproven b.s at the wall to see what sticks. None of it does.

Prove that I and every other avowed atheist or the 30% or so of American citizens who have reported a religious affiliation of NONE believe in and trust your god, OR that I am not a US citizen or stop lying. OR just admit that you are sending yourself to Hell with your assertion of a known lie.

I don't need to review your propagandist history lesson. I live in the present. Presently, the USA is not a theocracy.

"In god WE trust is a propagandist lie."
You are just throwing more irrelevant and unproven... (show quote)

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Fact is I am in heaven right now, happy and blessed physically and mentally. Last night, I gazed at the evening moon and stars blazing its light on the earth. Right now, I could see thru my office window, a mama and papa squirrels hanging upon the bird feeder voraciously eating the seeds I placed early this morning. The blue jay wanting to feed, are being chased by the squirrels. The humming bird swirling and rapidly flickering their wings around the nectar of the purple flowers. The blaze of colors are all over with flowers in bloom that surrounds me. I am thankful to God always that these things are possible because of Him.
Everybody could have these if they ask and work for it.

When time comes that my Creator brings me home, I am sure I'll be with Him along with those who have faith and love for Him, and for others. This is my faith. It is the faith purposely created for all of us to be happy and to love one another as children of God. I hope one day, you'll be among us.

I am sorry you are totally lost and miserable as displayed by your present sufferings physically and mentally. Lucifer loves that. You are totally possessed in darkness. That is why you always display hatred towards the children of God as spoken through your words.

I want you to be happy, but you refused. What else could I do? Prayers will not work because you closed the door for Christ to enter in your heart. You admitted Lucifer and now you are with him.

Think...! If you get so tired, remember that God is a forgiving God, and always waiting to give you chance to make up. We do pay the penalty though, but not for long, and rewards are great.

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Jul 27, 2019 10:40:36   #
Singularity
 
Seth wrote:
Question: Have you ever spent any time in the woods, say in the mountains, camped out, explored, hiked?

Really looked around and observed nature? Noticed that everything, every single thing out there, flora and fauna, seems to have a specific purpose, whether as food for a certain animal or bird or something that's picked up and transported, seemingly unwittingly, say something that contains seeds, by a bird or insect, and deposited someplace else?

Sort of a perfectly engineered mosaic?

Do you really believe, even if the "mythology" or scripture of a given religion is not your "cup of tea," that what you've observed was just randomly there?

That it wasn't perfectly thought out so that every single thing you saw had a specific purpose?

Having spent a whole lot of time in mountains and forests (I've actually come to prefer such environs over cityscapes), I found that if I ever doubted G-d's existence, after enough time spent in wilderness settings, such doubt would be impossible.

Try it, you might learn something. 😎
u Question /u : Have you ever spent any time in t... (show quote)


Your assertions suffer from the fact that they are arguments from ignorance or argument from incredulity. Sorry I did not name them that, they are well documented logical fallacies.

I have reached my hand into a womb and brought for a living child. I have watched using instrumentation separate blood cells lowing through living vessels in the web of a frog's toes. This world is full of incredulous wonders and unknown complexities. Every single time we have discovered the mechanism and properties of some heretofore mysterious seeming living process, replacing some God Did It Theory, the rationality of belief in God gets a little shakier. Not once in living history has a known mechanism been shown to actually be mysteriously controlled by a god. That kind of a reversal has never happened.

"I don't know," is a perfectly truthful and perfectly adequate rstional answer to your questions regarding some seemingly infinitely complex process. And there's nothing wrong with making guesses, as long as you don't fool yourself into believing that an unproved guess is the ultimate truth. Asserting the truth of an unproven assertion is not rational.

Science as you conceive of it may not be able to give you a cogent answer for every single question about every single complex process you encounter. But it is absolutely the best present method of determining true predictors for future processes.

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Jul 27, 2019 10:49:45   #
Singularity
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Fact is I am in heaven right now, happy and blessed physically and mentally. Last night, I gazed at the evening moon and stars blazing its light on the earth. Right now, I could see thru my office window, a mama and papa squirrels hanging upon the bird feeder voraciously eating the seeds I placed early this morning. The blue jay wanting to feed, are being chased by the squirrels. The humming bird swirling and rapidly flickering their wings around the nectar of the purple flowers. The blaze of colors are all over with flowers in bloom that surrounds me. I am thankful to God always that these things are possible because of Him.
Everybody could have these if they ask and work for it.

When time comes that my Creator brings me home, I am sure I'll be with Him along with those who have faith and love for Him, and for others. This is my faith. It is the faith purposely created for all of us to be happy and to love one another as children of God. I hope one day, you'll be among us.

I am sorry you are totally lost and miserable as displayed by your present sufferings physically and mentally. Lucifer loves that. You are totally possessed in darkness. That is why you always display hatred towards the children of God as spoken through your words.

I want you to be happy, but you refused. What else could I do? Prayers will not work because you closed the door for Christ to enter in your heart. You admitted Lucifer and now you are with him.

Think...! If you get so tired, remember that God is a forgiving God, and always waiting to give you chance to make up. We do pay the penalty though, but not for long, and rewards are great.
============= br Fact is I am in heaven right now,... (show quote)

The same sunshine and rain fall upon us all. We all encounter fits and starts, successes and tragedies along our life paths. If you prefer the ease and pleasure your irrational and obscene belief system affords you, I have only honest reality to offer as a replacement. Until lazy, crazy people stop waiting for a supernatural miracle to save them, they are dead weight on society as it's rational members struggle to care rationally and realistically for themselves and the dead weights.

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Jul 27, 2019 11:26:21   #
Radiance3
 
Singularity wrote:
The same sunshine and rain fall upon us all. We all encounter fits and starts, successes and tragedies along our life paths. If you prefer the ease and pleasure your irrational and obscene belief system affords you, I have only honest reality to offer as a replacement. Until lazy, crazy people stop waiting for a supernatural miracle to save them, they are dead weight on society as it's rational members struggle to care rationally and realistically for themselves and the dead weights.

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What about the everlasting life that awaits us? Which do you prefer? Has this completely dissolved in your mind that as soon as we stop breathing in and out, that is it? Will science stop you life after that?

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Jul 27, 2019 11:39:07   #
Singularity
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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What about the everlasting life that awaits us? Which do you prefer? Has this completely dissolved in your mind that as soon as we stop breathing in and out, that is it? Will science stop you life after that?


I believe when humans die their conscious existence ceases to be supported by the biologic substrate.

Where does the music go once you stop playing a recording of a song?

https://youtu.be/u9Dg-g7t2l4

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Jul 27, 2019 12:36:34   #
Radiance3
 
Singularity wrote:
I believe when humans die their conscious existence ceases to be supported by the biologic substrate.

Where does the music go once you stop playing a recording of a song?

https://youtu.be/u9Dg-g7t2l4


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It stops? But that is just science. God is above science.
We stop at a certain point to rest. But that opens again.

You certainly have that sense of humor. Hearing at first the music, I thought it was serenading for me. But then the picture of the person singing came up I got scared. With all his earrings on parts of his face, I also saw two horns sprouting up above his head. Looks like Satan to me. Sorry I got scared of that.

Here is the love of God that could be yours. I hope you let Him come in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OshpSD0z1ts&list=RDOshpSD0z1ts&start_radio=1

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Jul 27, 2019 13:37:26   #
AHO-C
 
Singularity wrote:
You are just throwing more irrelevant and unproven b.s at the wall to see what sticks. None of it does.

Prove that I and every other avowed atheist or the 30% or so of American citizens who have reported a religious affiliation of NONE believe in and trust your god, OR that I and they are not US citizens or stop lying.

OR just admit that you are sending yourself to Hell with your assertion of a known lie.

I don't need to review your propagandist history lesson. I live in the present. Presently, the USA is not a theocracy.

"In god WE trust is a propagandist lie."
You are just throwing more irrelevant and unproven... (show quote)


Sing !! God has never required that 'we' prove he exists. He always describes a non-believer as 'One of little faith!' . There are many things that cannot be 'proven' by science ....yet they still exist !! Does that mean that they 'Don't Exist '.....or does it mean 'we' don't understand it ??
Regardless !! WE can mean just mean... me and one other person.....OR it can be extended up to every being in the Universe.
The greatest thing about the USA is not the petty BS of diversity ( so long as we all think alike), immigration ( ultimately if you track humans back to one common thread...we ALL came from Africa)..etc. it is the Constitution ( this Document is what makes our Country different and better than any other Country past or present)..... and even while we are a Country founded on Judeo-Christian principles ...our Constitution gives us the 'Freedom of ( not from) Religion ' ...you can believe in God or not believe in God...I personally don't give a crap about your uppity 'pseudo-science' argument about proof of His existence or not and I have no intention of trying to 'convert' you.
I do not understand why so many atheists feel obliged to denigrate every 'God loving American' as a bunch of imbecilic automatons that uniformly march to the same mindless drumbeat....Just based on replies to your post virtually every person that believes in God has different words to describe why and how they do believe in God...to imply that they need to give 'you' proof or they are all 'liars' is the most pompous ,conceited, narcissistic, illogical argument against a belief concept that requires faith in order for it to be valid.
Who do you think you are to question the honesty and integrity of billions of people world wide just because you 'want proof God exists!!'....when you CANNOT even provide proof he doesn't exist ....just because you can't see something or understand something does not mean it does not exist or that it is also not cognizant of your existence!!
To answer your question in regard to the phrase " In God We Trust "..I already count me ( part of the requirement for 'we') and several others on this site ( in particular Radiance , who I personally envy for the way she can so beautifully describe her relationship with God) ..which is the final closing of the loop to being a 'we'.
The war you have against God is between you and Him....and you are placing your whole eternity on you being intellectually superior to Him....well the Rooster will crow 3 times for each of us to see if we deny Him...my bet is you are in for one Big Surprise when your clock stops ticking !!
Good luck ...'Thomas' !



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Jul 27, 2019 14:26:17   #
Radiance3
 
AHO-C wrote:
Sing !! God has never required that 'we' prove he exists. He always describes a non-believer as 'One of little faith!' . There are many things that cannot be 'proven' by science ....yet they still exist !! Does that mean that they 'Don't Exist '.....or does it mean 'we' don't understand it ??
Regardless !! WE can mean just mean... me and one other person.....OR it can be extended up to every being in the Universe.
The greatest thing about the USA is not the petty BS of diversity ( so long as we all think alike), immigration ( ultimately if you track humans back to one common thread...we ALL came from Africa)..etc. it is the Constitution ( this Document is what makes our Country different and better than any other Country past or present)..... and even while we are a Country founded on Judeo-Christian principles ...our Constitution gives us the 'Freedom of ( not from) Religion ' ...you can believe in God or not believe in God...I personally don't give a crap about your uppity 'pseudo-science' argument about proof of His existence or not and I have no intention of trying to 'convert' you.
I do not understand why so many atheists feel obliged to denigrate every 'God loving American' as a bunch of imbecilic automatons that uniformly march to the same mindless drumbeat....Just based on replies to your post virtually every person that believes in God has different words to describe why and how they do believe in God...to imply that they need to give 'you' proof or they are all 'liars' is the most pompous ,conceited, narcissistic, illogical argument against a belief concept that requires faith in order for it to be valid.
Who do you think you are to question the honesty and integrity of billions of people world wide just because you 'want proof God exists!!'....when you CANNOT even provide proof he doesn't exist ....just because you can't see something or understand something does not mean it does not exist or that it is also not cognizant of your existence!!
To answer your question in regard to the phrase " In God We Trust "..I already count me ( part of the requirement for 'we') and several others on this site ( in particular Radiance , who I personally envy for the way she can so beautifully describe her relationship with God) ..which is the final closing of the loop to being a 'we'.
The war you have against God is between you and Him....and you are placing your whole eternity on you being intellectually superior to Him....well the Rooster will crow 3 times for each of us to see if we deny Him...my bet is you are in for one Big Surprise when your clock stops ticking !!
Good luck ...'Thomas' !
Sing !! God has never required that 'we' prove he ... (show quote)

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Brilliantly spoken AHO. Thank you. It is not human's duty to prove or disprove that God exist. But it is our faith that comes to realization that God is truly present among us.
God bless..!

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Jul 27, 2019 14:26:31   #
Singularity
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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It stops? But that is just science. God is above science.
We stop at a certain point to rest. But that opens again.

You certainly have that sense of humor. Hearing at first the music, I thought it was serenading for me. But then the picture of the person singing came up I got scared. With all his earrings on parts of his face, I also saw two horns sprouting up above his head. Looks like Satan to me. Sorry I got scared of that.

Here is the love of God that could be yours. I hope you let Him come in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OshpSD0z1ts&list=RDOshpSD0z1ts&start_radio=1
=========== br It stops? But that is just science.... (show quote)


He is the face of powerful self discipline, the absolute opposite of satanic. Trained as a Jewish Cantor, and a classic singer, he is also a member of a heavy metal band.

A lot of his stuff is too strong for me, no need to apologize! You may like this one, though it is very rough in patches, to listen to while I hear yours.

And he has removed his signature face piercing jewelry, realizing I believe it inhibits some of his message reaching some people.

https://youtu.be/t4382UVl0oc

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Jul 27, 2019 14:39:29   #
Singularity
 
AHO-C wrote:
Sing !! God has never required that 'we' prove he exists. He always describes a non-believer as 'One of little faith!' . There are many things that cannot be 'proven' by science ....yet they still exist !! Does that mean that they 'Don't Exist '.....or does it mean 'we' don't understand it ??
Regardless !! WE can mean just mean... me and one other person.....OR it can be extended up to every being in the Universe.
The greatest thing about the USA is not the petty BS of diversity ( so long as we all think alike), immigration ( ultimately if you track humans back to one common thread...we ALL came from Africa)..etc. it is the Constitution ( this Document is what makes our Country different and better than any other Country past or present)..... and even while we are a Country founded on Judeo-Christian principles ...our Constitution gives us the 'Freedom of ( not from) Religion ' ...you can believe in God or not believe in God...I personally don't give a crap about your uppity 'pseudo-science' argument about proof of His existence or not and I have no intention of trying to 'convert' you.
I do not understand why so many atheists feel obliged to denigrate every 'God loving American' as a bunch of imbecilic automatons that uniformly march to the same mindless drumbeat....Just based on replies to your post virtually every person that believes in God has different words to describe why and how they do believe in God...to imply that they need to give 'you' proof or they are all 'liars' is the most pompous ,conceited, narcissistic, illogical argument against a belief concept that requires faith in order for it to be valid.
Who do you think you are to question the honesty and integrity of billions of people world wide just because you 'want proof God exists!!'....when you CANNOT even provide proof he doesn't exist ....just because you can't see something or understand something does not mean it does not exist or that it is also not cognizant of your existence!!
To answer your question in regard to the phrase " In God We Trust "..I already count me ( part of the requirement for 'we') and several others on this site ( in particular Radiance , who I personally envy for the way she can so beautifully describe her relationship with God) ..which is the final closing of the loop to being a 'we'.
The war you have against God is between you and Him....and you are placing your whole eternity on you being intellectually superior to Him....well the Rooster will crow 3 times for each of us to see if we deny Him...my bet is you are in for one Big Surprise when your clock stops ticking !!
Good luck ...'Thomas' !
Sing !! God has never required that 'we' prove he ... (show quote)


I am not here to argue that existence with you, I am asserting that my government cannot assert that we, meaning all citizens, trust in God, when 30% clearly do not. It is your assertion that we, inclusive of all citizens, trust in God. I don't. 30% don't..You may. Radience3 does.

Still, to assert we all do is a lie. That doesn't meant all don't believe or any one doesn't believe. It just is not a fact that all USA citizens trust in God.

In God some trust. There. Fixed it.

If you are objecting that you'd rather leave it fuzzy and imprecise, could you examine and explain the motive?

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Jul 27, 2019 14:54:04   #
Singularity
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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It stops? But that is just science. God is above science.
We stop at a certain point to rest. But that opens again.

You certainly have that sense of humor. Hearing at first the music, I thought it was serenading for me. But then the picture of the person singing came up I got scared. With all his earrings on parts of his face, I also saw two horns sprouting up above his head. Looks like Satan to me. Sorry I got scared of that.

Here is the love of God that could be yours. I hope you let Him come in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OshpSD0z1ts&list=RDOshpSD0z1ts&start_radio=1
=========== br It stops? But that is just science.... (show quote)


I am a confirmed Roman Catholic. My priest refused to excommunicate me because I don't know for a fact that god doesn't exist. Says if I stay true to my conscience I will still go to heaven. Talk about a stacked deck!?! Shut is sticky stuff!

He didn't have an answer when I asked him if that were the case, if I were to end up in heaven, would it be mandatory that I remain?

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Jul 27, 2019 14:56:16   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Singularity wrote:
You are just throwing more irrelevant and unproven b.s at the wall to see what sticks. None of it does.

Prove that I and every other avowed atheist or the 30% or so of American citizens who have reported a religious affiliation of NONE believe in and trust your god, OR that I and they are not US citizens or stop lying.

OR just admit that you are sending yourself to Hell with your assertion of a known lie.

I don't need to review your propagandist history lesson. I live in the present. Presently, the USA is not a theocracy.

"In god WE trust is a propagandist lie."
You are just throwing more irrelevant and unproven... (show quote)
There are many beautiful people who really do Trust in God. That is not propaganda and it isn't a lie.

The motto to be displayed in South Dakota public schools says, "In God We Trust", it does not say, "You Will Trust in God or Else."

If the motto is so bloody offensive to you, I suggest you burn all your cash.

BTW: Do you live in South Dakota?

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Jul 27, 2019 15:09:04   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
Gatsby wrote:
A new bill signed by South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem took effect this month,

requiring all public schools in the state to display the motto 'In God We Trust' on their walls.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-law-requires-sd-public-schools-to-display-in-god-we-trust-on-walls/ar-AAEUny7?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

Students already have to pass a citizenship test to graduate.


Governor Noem also just signed Constitutional Carry into law. I think I'll write her in as President for Life.



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Jul 27, 2019 15:10:37   #
Singularity
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
There are many beautiful people who really do Trust in God. That is not propaganda and it isn't a lie.

The motto to be displayed in South Dakota public schools says, "In God We Trust", it does not say, "You Will Trust in God or Else."

If the motto is so bloody offensive to you, I suggest you burn all your cash.

BTW: Do you live in South Dakota?


Do you believe I trust in God, Blade?

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Jul 27, 2019 15:35:06   #
Singularity
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
Governor Noem also just signed Constitutional Carry into law. I think I'll write her in as President for Life.


If you trust in God, why do you need the gun? Just for luck? Or is it a fashion statement?

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