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Jul 27, 2019 14:23:54   #
AHO-C
 
ImLogicallyRight wrote:
Good question nwtk2007. They can't or it would show how wrong they are.


I've been trying to tell others, on sites like this and in person, that the information I've read from scientists and graphs shows that CO2 follows global warming and doesn't lead it. It just isn't a green house gas except that it helps vegetation in the green house grow better.

Think about it. Graphs show that we are in a warming cycle since the last ice age and are nearing historical peaks as would be normal and within expected graph projections.

As for CO2, as we warm, more CO2 enters the atmosphere from the thawing of permafrost. an after effect. This in turn provides for more food for plants and the greening of the earth further north. Growing seasons go further north and last longer.

Eventually we will enter another cooling cycle as per earth's orbit and sun cycles and head for another ice age. It may start next year or five, ten, fifty years. But it will happen. More ice will form and the poles will freeze even more, and the max growing seasons will again drift south and water tables will shrink.

It is just earth living through its normal cycles. We simply aren't causing a thing. Get over it and focus on some reality.

ImLogicallyRight
Good question nwtk2007. They can't or it would sho... (show quote)


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Jul 27, 2019 14:27:38   #
trucksterbud
 
EconomistDon wrote:
I get tired of arguing these points with braindead alarmists. They claim that 97 percent of scientists support anthropogenic warming, but that number is bogus. It was concocted by a team of 12 scientists who blog under the collective name of Skeptical Science. I can provide more details on that if anybody is interested. Here are two videos from REAL scientists who lay out the honest facts about global warming. They are quite long, but worth the listen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZlICdawHRA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-9UlF8hkhs
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What most ignored about the report of [97%] of the scientists, was.... 97% of the scientists also pointed out the the data going in was flawed, and so we got flawed data coming out. In other words, its all hypothetical bullshit.

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Jul 27, 2019 14:50:54   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
JFlorio wrote:
These explanations make way to much sense for your average lib. You just drove a stake in their religion. That’s not allowed int their world


Step one:
Follow the money.

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Jul 27, 2019 15:26:51   #
Seth
 
archie bunker wrote:
We all have to get electric cars to fix this problem. That is the only solution for our future.


"A gas powered van, towing a diesel generator, charging an electric car...."

Priceless!

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Jul 27, 2019 15:39:33   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
JoyV wrote:
I recently read and article which included the claim that the experts say one third of the CO2 are from motor vehicle emissions. Correct me if I'm wrong, but since when have motor vehicles emitted CO2?



CO2 is a part of normal motor vehicle emission. If it is clean combustion, the emissions are H2O and CO2, without carbon monoxide.

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Jul 27, 2019 15:42:38   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
trucksterbud wrote:
What most ignored about the report of [97%] of the scientists, was.... 97% of the scientists also pointed out the the data going in was flawed, and so we got flawed data coming out. In other words, its all hypothetical bullshit.


Another thing about the so called survey was that "SCIENTISTS" were asked to estimate the percent chance that warming was caused by man. Even if they said only about 5% likely, they were counted among those who claim it is caused by man.

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Jul 27, 2019 17:08:39   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
ImLogicallyRight wrote:
Good question nwtk2007. They can't or it would show how wrong they are.


I've been trying to tell others, on sites like this and in person, that the information I've read from scientists and graphs shows that CO2 follows global warming and doesn't lead it. It just isn't a green house gas except that it helps vegetation in the green house grow better.

Think about it. Graphs show that we are in a warming cycle since the last ice age and are nearing historical peaks as would be normal and within expected graph projections.

As for CO2, as we warm, more CO2 enters the atmosphere from the thawing of permafrost. an after effect. This in turn provides for more food for plants and the greening of the earth further north. Growing seasons go further north and last longer.

Eventually we will enter another cooling cycle as per earth's orbit and sun cycles and head for another ice age. It may start next year or five, ten, fifty years. But it will happen. More ice will form and the poles will freeze even more, and the max growing seasons will again drift south and water tables will shrink.

It is just earth living through its normal cycles. We simply aren't causing a thing. Get over it and focus on some reality.

ImLogicallyRight
Good question nwtk2007. They can't or it would sho... (show quote)


Yes you are logically right. And if it helps I've heard much the same from Greenpeace (remember save ducklings? I did that as a teen) and somebody else on Tucke Carlson's show. I think he's one of those tin foil hat climate change believers. Not hardcore, but a believer is a believer.

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Jul 27, 2019 17:48:35   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Maybe go outside and do some real time observation. Heard about Europe's record breaking heat wave? Heard about the wildfires in the ARCTIC?


The record breaking heat wave in Europe, 2000 years ago was more like normal temperatures. There are numerous places in Europe where there are records of assorted productive fruit orchards during this period. Fruit no longer grows there because it is too cold.

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Jul 27, 2019 23:22:22   #
debeda
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Here's the deal. Global warming is essentially based upon computer simulations. What do these simulations say if we dont' tell them that CO2 is a green house gas? What do they say if we leave out the theoretical concept of CO2 causing warming??


WAIT.... Computer simulations? The same thing that meteorologists that are right about 20% of the time use? Lolololhahahaha

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Jul 27, 2019 23:23:40   #
debeda
 
Seth wrote:
Which is one reason why tropical climates are so fertile: the hot atmosphere creates C02, the C02 makes things grow bigger, greener and more plentifully.

Even in grammar school we knew that plant life takes in C02 and expels oxygen, so the flora benefit and we, along with the fauna, benefit as well.

It's a crying shame that pre-adolescents of my generation knew more about those basic scientific facts than many college grads of today.

The far left have really downgraded our education system since they hijacked it, haven't they?

Much of this can be explained by what ultra-leftist NYC schools chancellor Richard Carranza is up to, which is the new SOP for the left's intentions for our country's children's and young adults' "educations:"

https://nypost.com/2019/07/23/forget-reading-and-math-carranza-wants-focus-on-racial-privilege-activism/
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Jul 27, 2019 23:26:15   #
debeda
 
JFlorio wrote:
LOL. So what snowflake. Gonna melt. What’s your brilliant idea to fix this supposed problem?


Why a world wealth redistribution tax of course. Haven't you noticed that as taxes go up EVERYTHING improves? Silly goose

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Jul 28, 2019 00:11:53   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
debeda wrote:
WAIT.... Computer simulations? The same thing that meteorologists that are right about 20% of the time use? Lolololhahahaha


That's what I'm saying!

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Jul 28, 2019 01:47:40   #
Kickaha Loc: Nebraska
 
ImLogicallyRight wrote:
Good question nwtk2007. They can't or it would show how wrong they are.


I've been trying to tell others, on sites like this and in person, that the information I've read from scientists and graphs shows that CO2 follows global warming and doesn't lead it. It just isn't a green house gas except that it helps vegetation in the green house grow better.

Think about it. Graphs show that we are in a warming cycle since the last ice age and are nearing historical peaks as would be normal and within expected graph projections.

As for CO2, as we warm, more CO2 enters the atmosphere from the thawing of permafrost. an after effect. This in turn provides for more food for plants and the greening of the earth further north. Growing seasons go further north and last longer.

Eventually we will enter another cooling cycle as per earth's orbit and sun cycles and head for another ice age. It may start next year or five, ten, fifty years. But it will happen. More ice will form and the poles will freeze even more, and the max growing seasons will again drift south and water tables will shrink.

It is just earth living through its normal cycles. We simply aren't causing a thing. Get over it and focus on some reality.

ImLogicallyRight
Good question nwtk2007. They can't or it would sho... (show quote)


We have had warm periods and ice ages throughout history, long before humans were here and will again long after humans are gone. To think that humans are the cause of global warming is the height of hubris akin to the Earth being the center of the universe.

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Jul 28, 2019 05:33:58   #
debeda
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
That's what I'm saying!



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Jul 28, 2019 08:40:42   #
AHO-C
 
debeda wrote:


Debeda.....the primary reason that you cannot model the Climate is that ....believe it or not ....Climate is affected by anything and everything from the microbes ( numbers and types) in the soil/water/air to the intensity of the Sun activity ...and everything and anything in between, including the wobble in the earth ..there is no way to tabulate the given intensity of any/all of the various combinations and permutations that can and do occur in an 'orderly chaotic' paradigm.
The Commies never learn that printing a lot of fiat money makes you poorer...not richer...and that taking from the 'worker' and giving to 'da bum' leads to everyone being a bum ...and once everyone is a 'bum' you print the fiat money...which results in a wrecked economy...which leads to revolt...which brings in a new innovative Government , hopefully with an excellent founding Document...let's call it a 'Constitution'...Wait we already 'been there...done that'...let's skip all the stupid stuff !!
Well back to tending bar !!



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