Mr. Rogers

Although any sin can be made legal by our political process, sin destroys people and nations.

maxcorn

this pedo have proof? He's seeking his next prey as we type. I can't understand how why the authorities aren't involved with this dreg?

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

Homosexuality is an abomination and violates "Thou shalt not commit adultery" commandment.

Exodus lists the Ten Commandments and Leviticus explains them.

Now the ideology of the act is argued time and time again.

It is clear in the Book of Leviticus that clearly states various rules against "Thou shalt not commit adultery" here is the quote in Leviticus:

" ‘The man who commits adultery with another man’s wife, he who commits adultery with his neighbor’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress, shall surely be put to death. The man who lies with his father’s wife has uncovered his father’s nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death. They have committed perversion. Their blood shall be upon them. If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. If a man marries a woman and her mother, it is wickedness. They shall be burned with fire, both he and they, that there may be no wickedness among you. If a man mates with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal. If a woman approaches any animal and mates with it, you shall kill the woman and the animal. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood is upon them." Leviticus 20:10-16

Now all the sins described above can be forgiven by the death of Jesus Christ. However, the sinner must turn from their evil ways and return to the fidelity the prohibition above indicates.

Even though I have compassion for my fellow man, the law is what the law is. This is the Law of Moses that has been adopted by Jews, Christians, and Muslims. So this is the Law. Dealing with God's law differs from one ideology to another. However, it is a fact that the Lord God Almighty of Israel declared that the act of Homosexuality is a sin.

So if you look at the facts, that is what I presented to you. The facts are cold as is the law of the Almighty. The facts define the line in the sand of what is fidelity and what is infidelity. Christians, Jews, and Muslims strive for the fidelity of the human person. Therefore, the books of Leviticus, and Deuteronomy explain what fidelity is.

Years ago, I was almost thrown off the Opp, for arguing this point so I think it would be prudent to just state the facts. That is what I am doing here.

So to answer the topics question, "Is Homosexuality a sin?" the answer according to the facts through ancient history research, is---Yes it is a sin.

How humans deal with the sin is a whole different and very political discussion.

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

God's Law, the Law of Nature and the Natural Law, adheres to the solutions described in the Law of Moses(Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, and Numbers)

Man's Law is separate from God's Law.

Here's where the controversy occurs. God gave man, first through the Covenant of Israel, then by the Covenant of Jesus Christ, the power to establish justice through the law of Moses and Jesus Christ. This part of the facts are somewhat unknown so bear with me....

Through observation whenever Man's law follows God's law, the law is just. and When Man enforces the law in this manner, God's judgment does not have to be done for Man already did it. But when Man's law does not follow God's law, or if Man's law is not upheld, then God renders judgement. This goes for both unjust laws, God will render Judgement and may pose that judgment against Man that does not seek justice for violation of God's and Man's laws.

Whew!. That was tough to describe.

But by examining history which I am a student of, I notice that this is true. Many distractions may distract from what both man and God are doing... Remember God placed Man as Steward of the Earth. God delegated the powers of the earth to man. Therefore, man has the power through both God, Moses, and Christ to judge. If that judgement is aligned with the Law of Nature, then God is satisfied. If that judgement is not aligned with God, then God will render a judgement that is worse than any judgement Man could apply.

Please observe justice in history. Examine each empire and nation with a clear open mind. And you will see how it works. Also know that man is learning, and due to the fact that man is learning how to live, man has made big mistakes. In world history it seems that God drifts from nation to nation, when in fact it is the nation that becomes closer or further away from God.

maxcorn

Amen. Thank you for the truth and a law that no MAN can usurp.

whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon

It is obvious after thirty-seven pages of rhetoric, that those of a religious bent are not inclined to modify their beliefs, and it is equally obvious (having lived in San Francisco for many years) that the LGBTQ community is over-reacting, having been given an opportunity gain acceptance (as little as it has been so far). There are vehement extremists on both sides.
I abhor the LGBTQ person that flaunts it in my face as much as I become aggravated when an overly evangelistic believer tries to convert me to their way of thinking.
The more problematic situation is that where the true believer believes that they have the right to impose their beliefs upon the entire population. This is a multi-cultural society, whether we like it or not. I don't hear a major uproar over the people that practice voodoo or Sangria, whereas the brouhaha over Same Sex Marriage has reached astronomical heights recently. Why is there no outrage over other things that conflict with the Christian religion?
Where I draw the line is with both of these extremes. Just because the LGBTQ community is now a little freer to live their lives as they want, it does not give them license to force that lifestyle on everyone else. Likewise, just because the religious side of the house has political power to abuse the LGBTQ community for moral and religious beliefs by codifying laws against their behavior, it shouldn't morally do so. Religious beliefs are just that ... beliefs that belong in the home and the house of worship. LGBTQ should equally not seek to adopt an "in your face" attitude when confronted by over-zealous religionists.
We live in a democratic republic, where everyone is granted the same rights to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." I can no more force my beliefs on them, than they can on me. It is time to keep our religions out of the public square and keep our sexual habits in our bedrooms.

maxcorn

Then please inform said queers to go to a Muslim bakery if they want a same sex cake. See how "tolerant" this society really is.

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

its been in effect for thousands of years with no effective amendments------ I think the last amendment was done by Jesus Christ opening up forgiveness of the sin.

Now forgiveness is only given, through the Law of Nature, and Law of Man, when the subject of the forgiveness, "Goes and sins no more" that is the key and point of forgiveness.

As long as the sinner refrains from committing the sin, then the sin is truly taken away from the person. This holds true as a fact of nature. "If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better to go through life without a hand, then for the whole body, to burn in [hell]" (*Ghena was the original but I think you get the point.)

In the law of Moses, all sins and debts are forgiven after seven years, granted that the sinner or the debtor did not create anymore sins, or debts. This is called the day of atonement and redemption.

The common sentence of sin is seven years. Other sins like homosexuality, held the punishment of death or exile. Death is exile. To prevent such a harsh sentence Jesus Christ showed man another way that took Christianity over two millenium to understand and embrace.

The Jewish people are the priestly people of God's chosen ones, where as the Christians are the adopted chosen ones.

Neither people are raised above humanity, but rather serve humanity, and want humanity to join them. Jews and Christians have provided service to humanity in a number of great ways. However, both Jews and Christians have a dark side too. Christians and Jews are the freest people on the face of the planet. They are free to be angels and saints, or they can choose the path of evil and be devils and demons. There is a war between God and the Advisary. God represents everything that is good and just, it promotes freedom. The advisory enslaves the good, and hides the good. They enslave the good. They hate the good. They promote all sorts of slavery, whereas sin is slavery. To be a slave to Christ, destroys the chains of slavery and opens the door to freedom. Christ's servitude is Man's freedom.

Not only did Christ create everything in creation through the Word of the Almighty, but because of Christ we can debate this sensitive issue.

We as a people need to look toward God the Almighty, and seek His Wisdom to solve the problems this debate creates. He can do it. Do you believe?

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

You get rebuked by St. Paul, "Faith without works is dead"

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

If you lived in San Fiasco then I am sure you have heard of Folsom Street Fair or Dore Alley? A disgusting show of gay community hedonism. Some of the things that occur there in public are unspeakable. You can probably google it. I have lived in Southern CA and have relatives in San Fiasco, so I have visited many times. Baghdad on the Bay has always been a bit looney, which was part of its' charm. I was assigned at Presidio while in the Army in 1971 and there was a significant gay population even then, especially in Sausalito. Each decade became more and more decadent, but the past two decades have been in overdrive.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

I thought this was interesting. From the Column "The Pastor Says."
Pastor Hal Seed, New Song Community Church, Oceanside CA.

"The Surprising Thing about Church"

These 5 studies might surprise you:

1. Dr. James C Paterson, Professor at LSU found that people who attend church weekly live 7.5 years longer than non-church attendees.

2. Janet Washington's study, cited in CNN.com found that regular church attenders are 56% more likely to develop an optimistic outlook and 27% less likely to become depressed.

3. Bradford Wilcox of the University of Virginia's study found that church attendees are 35% less likely to get divorced.

4. A study by the Ragnerus Group found that students who attend church get better grades in school.

5. Studies by both Stanford University and the University of Chicago found church attendees have better sex lives.

What studies like these can't uncover is why church attendees seem to have better lives than others. Could it be that church attendance helps cultivate better mental, physical, and spiritual lifestyles than other Sunday options? Or maybe, God just smiles more on Churchgoers?

We don't know, and probably never will. But it seems to me like the case for church attendance is pretty convincing. If you want a longer, happier, better life, or just better sex, you might want to head to church this Sunday, and start making it a weekly habit.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

Here is a story of someone who made his sex life better by attending church.

"Bless me, Father, for I have sinned. I have been with a loose girl."

The priest asks, "Is that you, little Joey Pagano?"

" Yes, Father, it is."

"And who was the girl you were with?"

"I can't tell you, Father. I don't want to ruin her reputation."

"Well, Joey, I'm sure to find out her name sooner or later so you may as well tell me now. Was it Tina Minetti?"

"I cannot say."

"Was it Teresa Mazzarelli?"

"I'll never tell."

"Was it Nina Capelli?"

"My lips are sealed."

"Was it Rosa DiAngelo, then?"

"Please, Father! I cannot tell you."

The priest sighs in frustration. "You're very tight-lipped, and I admire that. But you've sinned and have to atone. You cannot be an Altar Boy for 4 months. Now you go and behave yourself."

Joey walks back to his pew, and his friend Franco slides over and whispers, "What'd you get?"

"Four months vacation and five good leads..."

maxcorn

I agree with the first part of your message, if one practices Judaism. As one from Israel myself I, too, was raised practicing "the Torah" but as a Christian born again by the precious blood of Jesus,( who came not to fulfill the law but let us know that by his blood we no longer are under the law but saved by his grace), and know that one can be forgiven if one truly repents. Gods love knows no bounds.

bylm1-Bernie

Those studies are not at all surprising. Anyone who looks objectively at what following God's precepts bring, will come up with these findings. Then, one may ask, why doesn't everyone opt for that? The results are not only eternal life but a better life on this earth. Those who object, do so because it isn't going through their path to obtain it. It involves accepting what Jesus has offered and forsaking what Satan offers. This is seen by the left as imposing one's views or jamming it down their throats. What is one to do?

maxcorn

We are to continue spreading the Gospel to the 4 corners of the earth. Those that reject it are a stiffnecked people. We're to shake the dust off our feet, leave that place never to look back and not offer Godspeed to any inhabitants.