Liberty Tree

Democrats are always yelling about the rule of law, but when it comes to illegals they want to ignore it. ICE is going after those who entered the country illegally, have been legally ordered to leave and refuse to do so. Yet we have Democrats harboring them and telling them how to avoid legal authorities. The rule of law, according to Democrats only applies to others. One must ask what do the Democrats have to gain by keeping illegals here. Two things immediately come to mind.
1. Skewing census statistics to gain more representatives in Congress.
2. More illegal voters for them in 2020.

Let us hear no more hypocritical talk from Democrats about the rule of law.

bahmer

Amen and Amen spot on as far as I am concerned thanks for the post.

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

They massacred it.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Silly as always, wishing something was not what it is..

How did sanctuary cities happen and why..

The federals found much cost overruns caused by running down misdemeanor violation across the nation. at $250 per violation, not very high priority..

so the feds said, make local government do the detaining. Which came with feeding, holding and healthcare until said feds got around to showing up..

Locals started refusing.. they had no funding to cover those cost either..

Now the trump supporters have twisted that to claim that felons are sheltered by big cities.. out right lie..

And while we are on it, what was the designated task of ICE when it was created as an offspring of the Patriot act??

Go ahead, look it up..

And when/how did they then become the enforcement agency they are today..

Now the most physical of all our law agencies..

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

Really? No funding for sanctuary cities? Where does this come from then?

https://www.dailysignal.com/2017/02/03/sanctuary-cities-targeted-by-trump-receive-billions-in-federal-funds/

"More than 100 sanctuary cities across America received a total of $27 billion in federal funds in one year". that's $270 million each. No funding? Really? And they can't comply with an ICE detainer because they're broke? Where's all the money going? What are they wasting it on?

Common_Sense_Matters

You know what is more amusing, the right is ALWAYS claiming that they are all about the rule of law, they are ALWAYS claiming the left cares nothing for the rule of law, yet the right has far more of their politicians getting indicted and convicted of criminal behaviour than the left in the last several decades and then they have the audacity of crying that the left are the ones screaming about rule of law and calling it hypocrisy.

Why don't you have a look back through history at the last what, 10 administrations? 15 perhaps? That would give you a pretty good idea who is the ones ignoring the rule of law the most. Complaining about the splinter in a brother's eye while ignoring the log in our own much are we?

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

Yeah, why don't you give us a side-by-side comparison? And break it down by administration so we can see who was indicted when. That would be great. You're in charge of that.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Funding in this case is about police costs..

local cops can not afford to absorb the cost that ICE does not want to spend..

Holding, misdemeanors until the feds get around to showing up was and is the issue.

It is not murders, rapists and other felons.. it is immigration issues that immigration wants handled by the local cops rather then themselves.. locals doing the job of feds..

That funding you speak of and linked.. that is funding for a great number of items/chores not for doing the work of feds.

Do you know a single city/municipality who has money to spare for non-local needs?

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

This was the first thing I found that may meet your wishes.. many more articles if you want them..

Poor job of copy,, but the first 0 on the Obama list shows indictments so follow it down.

for trump which did not turn, follow it down in the same order..


://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/9/18/1796668/-UPDATED-Comparing-Presidential-Administrations-by-felony-arrests-and-convictions-as-of-9-17-2018

Comparing Administration Felonies
Number of Individuals with Felonies by Presidential Administration
NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS WITH FELONIES BY PRESIDENTIAL ADMINISTRATION
PRESIDENT PARTY YEARS IN OFFICE # PEOPLE INDICTED # PEOPLE CONVICTED # PEOPLE IMPRISONED CONVICTIONS PER YEAR
DONALD TRUMP R 1.7*
7

[35]**

6

[7]

2 (+3)

[3 (+4)]

3.5

[4.1]

BARACK OBAMA D 8 0 0 0 0
GEORGE W. BUSH R 8 16 9 9 1.1
BILL CLINTON D 8 3 2 2 0.25
GEORGE H. W. BUSH R 4 1 1 1 0.25
RONALD REAGAN R 8 26 16 8 2.0
JIMMY CARTER D 4 1 0 0 0
GERALD FORD R 2.4 1 1 1 0.4
RICHARD NIXON R 5.6 76 55 15 9.8

Rose42

Yes keep pretending you're a centrist. lol You never criticize the left no matter how much its deserved.

This is politics. If the law isn't politically expedient, break it. If you're made of teflon like Slick Willy you'll skate. If you're a media darling like Obama you'll also skate. Trump? Remains to be seen what will happen. Meanwhile people are stuck in the rut of right vs left and all the while the puppet masters laugh.

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

Smoke and mirrors, and you know it. The cost to report and hold an illegal alien for ICE over a day or two is insignificant. Often, if the report is submitted in a timely manner, pick-up can be arranged for the day of release, costing the city/county/state nothing beyond the email. Asserting otherwise is beyond disingenuous.


How so? A local cop picks up an illegal alien on suspicion of a crime. The cop knows he's an illegal. He notifies ICE. ICE picks him up when the local judicial system is done with him. Local cop did not go 'looking' for illegals, he had one fall into his lap.


Yeah, that's why there's such a big push to stop paying these so-called 'sanctuary cities', because they take Federal money and refuse to cooperate with Federal Law Enforcement. Even if municipal grants had nothing to do with police cooperation, it seems to me a very small issue to ask for a notification when an illegal alien is discovered in custody.



Sure, here's three in California:
Irvine
Stockton
Lincoln

Ans a couple more just because...
Charlotte, NC
Aurora, CO

Notice, I looked for cities in California, because that's where all the fuss is being generated.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

costs....when Ice let the detainees sit in local jails for days even weeks the cost became far more then a minor item.


So you do not think cost is a factor..

What do you think is the reason sanctuary cities came to be???

Carol Kelly

Right on both points. This is heating up, getting very serious...one citizen, one vote.
Turn the illegals out, evict them. Don’t let anymore sneak in here.

Carol Kelly

Maybe the country wouldn’t have such a huge debt if we’d never let any illegals stay.
Just saying because you brought up costs. They are costing us a bundle.

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

ICE detainers are good for 48 hours, Einstein. After that, all bets are off.