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Jun 15, 2019 16:59:13   #
youngwilliam Loc: Deep in the heart
 
JFlorio wrote:
I’m constantly amazed at how we all read the same thing and see it differently. I don’t see rose at all how you describe.


Funny, morgan is doing exactly what she is accusing Rose of doing. Typical lefty move.

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Jun 15, 2019 17:29:24   #
promilitary
 
Yes, HE created them......male and female
That wasn't good enough for Obama......now we have "Whatevers" and "WHo the hell knows?"

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Jun 15, 2019 17:33:09   #
Morgan
 
JFlorio wrote:
I’m constantly amazed at how we all read the same thing and see it differently. I don’t see rose at all how you describe.


Possibly because you have more in common and therefore she talks to you differently, that's fairly common around here. Rose and I go back and forth, it's rather harmless.

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Jun 15, 2019 17:51:19   #
Morgan
 
JFlorio wrote:
You do know in the Hebrew and Greek definitions used in Bible translation judge has a bit of a different meaning. I’m no Biblical scholar but have had this conversation with my pastor who is.


Pastors are mortal men along with their opinions, who helped comprise the Bible. When it comes to the Bible people have very different viewpoints, some swear to it being written by the hand of God, others see it as passages written by men, the followers of Christ. Some believe Christ was a savor while others see him as a master teacher. Either way, it is a belief, and I don't see anyone saying to anyone else my beliefs are right and yours is wrong, that I find to be arrogant to a highest degree and yet that is what happens all the time with the fanatical religious. It is extremely offensive, I would never make that assumption over someone else.

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Jun 15, 2019 17:55:04   #
Rose42
 
Morgan wrote:
I'll use exactly what I deem necessary for what I need to put my point across Rose, you want to control everything and everyone don't you, always telling people what they should and should not be doing, always critical and judgemental, apparently how you were raised and now you follow in their footsteps. Your conditioned beliefs keep you bound and living in the constraints of a box.

Good teachers allow, support and inspire you to fly on your own, you need to get yourself some of them.
I'll use exactly what I deem necessary for what I ... (show quote)


Good teachers teach you to think rationally and make informed decisions. Not make up your own reality.

Christ’s message is offensive to most people. ‘A stone of stumbling and a rock of offense’.

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Jun 15, 2019 18:03:43   #
Morgan
 
Rose42 wrote:
Good teachers teach you to think rationally and make informed decisions. Not make up your own reality.

Christ’s message is offensive to most people. ‘A stone of stumbling and a rock of offense’.


Here's the funny part, you don't think you are creating your own reality, your own universe of right and wrong.

Again you state your opinion as fact, I have never found most people, or almost anyone for that matter, who took the word of Jesus as offensive. I didn't know you were a world traveler? Please tell me, what quotes are offensive?

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Jun 15, 2019 18:28:11   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Morgan wrote:
Pastors are mortal men along with their opinions, who helped comprise the Bible. When it comes to the Bible people have very different viewpoints, some swear to it being written by the hand of God, others see it as passages written by men, the followers of Christ. Some believe Christ was a savor while others see him as a master teacher. Either way, it is a belief, and I don't see anyone saying to anyone else my beliefs are right and yours is wrong, that I find to be arrogant to a highest degree and yet that is what happens all the time with the fanatical religious. It is extremely offensive, I would never make that assumption over someone else.
Pastors are mortal men along with their opinions, ... (show quote)


No sense arguing, people will believe what they believe. Usually whatever makes them feel better about themselves. As a believer I see the Bible as the Word of God. Yes it was written by men but according to the Word; men filled with the spirit of God. I have studied much Bible Prophesy and am amazed at how accurate it is. I believe my beliefs are right, period. We all have free will, but I do not condemn or say all must believe like I do. Faith is something that comes from the heart. Best I can explain it.

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Jun 15, 2019 18:36:30   #
Rose42
 
Morgan wrote:
Here's the funny part, you don't think you are creating your own reality, your own universe of right and wrong.

Again you state your opinion as fact, I have never found most people, or almost anyone for that matter, who took the word of Jesus as offensive. I didn't know you were a world traveler? Please tell me, what quotes are offensive?


I go by God’s word not by society’s whimsy.

Didn’t you know Christ was killed because he offended people? They didn’t want to hear his message. He never minced words with the unrepentant and they hated that.

Here are a few that are offensive to most -

‘Many are called but few are chosen’

‘Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many.’

‘I am the way the truth and the life. No one gets to the Father except through me’

‘The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, 42 and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

‘On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

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Jun 16, 2019 07:04:48   #
David Seaman
 
I’m old enough to remember the start of “Gay Pride” and thus it makes more sense to me. Perhaps I can help with a quick bit of history.
Gay Pride began as an insistence that we pay attention. Just as homosexuality was closeted, so too was the legal and personal assault on them. This is demonstrated well in Annie Proulx’s “Brokeback Mountain” and the historic events surrounding Senator McCarthy and Roy Cohn’s UnAmerican Committee.
By having Gay Pride Parades, by making characters in TV, film, and stage be gay, it brings the issue into the open for discussion but also demands that a discussion take place.
By denying them the right to be and love whomever they want, those who condemn- oppose for religious reasons- are doing something that Jesus fought hard and gave his life to support: freedom of religion. Jesus didn’t tell the Romans that they must be Jewish, he simply demanded that he and his disciples be permitted to. The Romans disagreed. (The Book of John is very moving.)
I often ponder why anyone would care how others live their lives. It doesn’t change how *they* live. Vocally opposing them is just cruel. And none of their business. Just imagine if people told you who and how you can have sex. Lol. My wife would go ballistic.
But there’s one of the “whys” for Gay Pride.

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Jun 16, 2019 07:30:32   #
David Seaman
 
Bravo! I admire your generous and responsible point.

The history of the creation of The Bible is fascinating. At least from an historical view.

The first Christians were Jews who deified Jesus of Nazareth and had to worship in private. The Romans would beat, maim, kill, and otherwise disrupt services. Those Christians created a symbol- two lines that curve to create a fish and this symbol guided them to what became a moving worship space. The symbol is common today. But this new religion centered on Christ spread.

In 325AD in the Roman Empire, Emperor Constantine declared that the official religion on the Empire was Christianity. A transitional period followed and then Constantine held The First Council at Nicea, where he brought in hundreds of Bishops and clergymen to create the New Testament. Understand that many of them could not read or write. The story is fascinating and details are on line of the Council at Nicea.
To combat oppression The Holy Rome Empire, newly named, needed to increase numbers. More people. Population. Growth. So at Nicea many rules were in place to encourage human reproduction. “Thou shalt not spill thy seed on the ground.”
So if every orgasm had to result in pregnancy most of these new rules were designed to stop any sexual act other than man to woman. Thus masturbation was a sin, sodomy, homosexuality, oral sex. And it worked. Certainly later the Holy Roman Empire staged the Crusades then the Spanish Inquisition, and Christianity took over Europe. In Britain Christianity was negotiated into their Pagan rituals. As of 2015, Christianity was by far the world's largest religion, with an estimated 2.4 billion adherents, nearly a third (31 percent) of all 7.3 billion people on Earth.
I hope I’ve sparked you and offended no one. I studied all this in both Boston and Rome during graduate school. The libraries and collections at the Vatican are amazing and there are many collections only the Pope sees.
Good day.

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Jun 16, 2019 09:37:16   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
David Seaman wrote:
I’m old enough to remember the start of “Gay Pride” and thus it makes more sense to me. Perhaps I can help with a quick bit of history.
Gay Pride began as an insistence that we pay attention. Just as homosexuality was closeted, so too was the legal and personal assault on them. This is demonstrated well in Annie Proulx’s “Brokeback Mountain” and the historic events surrounding Senator McCarthy and Roy Cohn’s UnAmerican Committee.
By having Gay Pride Parades, by making characters in TV, film, and stage be gay, it brings the issue into the open for discussion but also demands that a discussion take place.
By denying them the right to be and love whomever they want, those who condemn- oppose for religious reasons- are doing something that Jesus fought hard and gave his life to support: freedom of religion. Jesus didn’t tell the Romans that they must be Jewish, he simply demanded that he and his disciples be permitted to. The Romans disagreed. (The Book of John is very moving.)
I often ponder why anyone would care how others live their lives. It doesn’t change how *they* live. Vocally opposing them is just cruel. And none of their business. Just imagine if people told you who and how you can have sex. Lol. My wife would go ballistic.
But there’s one of the “whys” for Gay Pride.
I’m old enough to remember the start of “Gay Pride... (show quote)


I don't care if someone is gay I don't believe in it don't approve of it BUT that's their CHOICE now I have rights to and I don't want their lifestyle shoved down my throat and I don't want some teacher teaching my grandkid that it ok and how to be gay that's for parents. Sorry but personal rights is a two-way street I work with gay people and I'm fine but all this other BS is not their DEMANDING that we give up the bible and kiss their butts and say everything you do is ok. well sorry not happening all they have done is piss people off and caused a larger problem live your life and let other live theirs end of story!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Jun 16, 2019 10:10:03   #
Morgan
 
JFlorio wrote:
No sense arguing, people will believe what they believe. Usually whatever makes them feel better about themselves. As a believer I see the Bible as the Word of God. Yes it was written by men but according to the Word; men filled with the spirit of God. I have studied much Bible Prophesy and am amazed at how accurate it is. I believe my beliefs are right, period. We all have free will, but I do not condemn or say all must believe like I do. Faith is something that comes from the heart. Best I can explain it.
No sense arguing, people will believe what they be... (show quote)


Then you are as I am, we agree, everyone has their own beliefs and are welcomed to it.

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Jun 16, 2019 10:17:44   #
Morgan
 
David Seaman wrote:
Bravo! I admire your generous and responsible point.

The history of the creation of The Bible is fascinating. At least from an historical view.

The first Christians were Jews who deified Jesus of Nazareth and had to worship in private. The Romans would beat, maim, kill, and otherwise disrupt services. Those Christians created a symbol- two lines that curve to create a fish and this symbol guided them to what became a moving worship space. The symbol is common today. But this new religion centered on Christ spread.

In 325AD in the Roman Empire, Emperor Constantine declared that the official religion on the Empire was Christianity. A transitional period followed and then Constantine held The First Council at Nicea, where he brought in hundreds of Bishops and clergymen to create the New Testament. Understand that many of them could not read or write. The story is fascinating and details are on line of the Council at Nicea.
To combat oppression The Holy Rome Empire, newly named, needed to increase numbers. More people. Population. Growth. So at Nicea many rules were in place to encourage human reproduction. “Thou shalt not spill thy seed on the ground.”
So if every orgasm had to result in pregnancy most of these new rules were designed to stop any sexual act other than man to woman. Thus masturbation was a sin, sodomy, homosexuality, oral sex. And it worked. Certainly later the Holy Roman Empire staged the Crusades then the Spanish Inquisition, and Christianity took over Europe. In Britain Christianity was negotiated into their Pagan rituals. As of 2015, Christianity was by far the world's largest religion, with an estimated 2.4 billion adherents, nearly a third (31 percent) of all 7.3 billion people on Earth.
I hope I’ve sparked you and offended no one. I studied all this in both Boston and Rome during graduate school. The libraries and collections at the Vatican are amazing and there are many collections only the Pope sees.
Good day.
Bravo! I admire your generous and responsible poin... (show quote)


Thank you David that does explain a lot.

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Jun 16, 2019 10:21:35   #
Morgan
 
David Seaman wrote:
I’m old enough to remember the start of “Gay Pride” and thus it makes more sense to me. Perhaps I can help with a quick bit of history.
Gay Pride began as an insistence that we pay attention. Just as homosexuality was closeted, so too was the legal and personal assault on them. This is demonstrated well in Annie Proulx’s “Brokeback Mountain” and the historic events surrounding Senator McCarthy and Roy Cohn’s UnAmerican Committee.
By having Gay Pride Parades, by making characters in TV, film, and stage be gay, it brings the issue into the open for discussion but also demands that a discussion take place.
By denying them the right to be and love whomever they want, those who condemn- oppose for religious reasons- are doing something that Jesus fought hard and gave his life to support: freedom of religion. Jesus didn’t tell the Romans that they must be Jewish, he simply demanded that he and his disciples be permitted to. The Romans disagreed. (The Book of John is very moving.)
I often ponder why anyone would care how others live their lives. It doesn’t change how *they* live. Vocally opposing them is just cruel. And none of their business. Just imagine if people told you who and how you can have sex. Lol. My wife would go ballistic.
But there’s one of the “whys” for Gay Pride.
I’m old enough to remember the start of “Gay Pride... (show quote)


Well said and on point

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