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May 26, 2019 02:30:21   #
JoyV
 
lindajoy wrote:
It is way past time talking about it.. Kinda like the phrase Sh*t or get off the pot...

I don’t know about that power to obstruct thing the dems certainly haven’t done a bad job of it for the last two years...

The totalitarian one party country is either party’s dream..Who are we kidding to think anything other than that???

I suppose it’s fortunate the Dems won back the house but they haven’t done a damn thing with it in the last two years other than try to unseat Trump...

I’ll ask you the same question, what do they expect to run on, what is their format, who is actually running the party, it sure isn’t pelosi, what are their accomplishments they are going to praise themselves about?

I think this BS has gone on long enough and it’s time the people we elected to do things for our country and put in office, do them!

Like I’ve been saying all along now just bring the impeachment..Of course they have to have a charge, I understand that, but a good number of them claim to have all kinds of evidence to wrongdoing so why don’t they just use it instead of the idol threat as if that carries any fear..

Since we agree it needs to happen I’m gonna send you your own bucket of popcorn when they actually do it!
It is way past time talking about it.. Kinda like ... (show quote)


Did it ever occur to you that with all the elite swamp denizens who want to impeach Trump, that if they had any evidence it would have been used? That if there WAS any evidence, the eager anti-Trump special counsel investigators would have found something?

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May 26, 2019 03:42:55   #
JoyV
 
Morgan wrote:
What you've written is a conservative ideal, for some...the reality is a completely different story, and by the way you also don't have a separate claim to being constitutionalists, far from it.

People on the left don't treat minorities as less capable, that is more rhetoric and total crap from the right in more attempts to disparage the left, simply put, the more lies repeated, the more people will believe it.

Giving minorities the best chance in public schools, who do you really think your fooling with that? What make-believe dream world or tower do you live in? Let's see you go to Detroit, Chicago or the Bronx with that little message, let me know how it goes.

Yeah we all know you're an American Indian, you've mentioned it, what does that have to do with the price of rice? Either way you're sounding board is a bit sanctimonious.
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What do you mean by "separate claim". A Constitutionalist is someone who bottom line is not a political platform but rather the United States Constitution; NOT the UN, international law, or political correctness!!!!

You wrote, "People on the left don't treat minorities as less capable" What about the left been saying that blacks are less capable of getting IDs for voting. What about giving higher education slots to those without the best scores because they are a minority, while pushing the more deserving back. {By more deserving I mean those that have made the highest score not simply been the right skin color.}

So are you saying the district public schools in Detroit, Chicago or the Bronx provide a better education than public charter schools? And if they did, and parents were free to choose, they would then choose the district schools. As a parent, I wanted the best education that I can afford for my son, and want the best for my grandkids. The left doesn't want minority parents to be able to choose their kids schools. Why? And if you say it will hurt district schools when kids are pulled out; that will only happen if the district schools are NOT providing a good education!!!! I didn't have a charter school option for my son. And the district public schools were not providing a decent education let alone a good one. So I filed the paperwork to home school him. He had been in special ed and nothing much was expected of him. He had a high math aptitude, and made some money tutoring high school kids in calculus, while the school would only allow him to take the types of remedial math for those in special ed. But his reading was a disaster. He had a tracking problem with his vision so had difficulty distinguishing one line of print from the ones above and below as each eye saw a different line. His reading had stalled at the 2nd grade level, and he had become lazy with the school and teachers making excuses for why what I expected of him was to much. When I took him out of school in October he was reading at a 2nd grade level in 7th grade. In march he took state testing and came out with reading and comprehension at grade 14. I worked nights and schooled him in the mornings before getting some sleep in the afternoons. I made trade deals with college mathematics professors or students to tutor him in higher maths which was far beyond my understanding. But to simply accept what the government gives you and the school within whose district you live, is a cop out. Caring parents, if given a choice, will choose whichever school gives their kids the best option. So why is it racist to give minorities that option, but politically correct to force minorities and the poor to keep their kids in schools with are failing to teach.

Nor did I grow up advantaged. I was taken away from my mother because as an Indian the law required her to belong to the religion assigned to the reservation she was from. But since she never baptized me or my sister in that religion, she was declared a criminal and unfit mother. The judge gave us to our stepmother who was an abusive Sunday school teacher. When I started school before being taken fro my mother, I thought I could speak English. But it was really a type of pidgin and my syntax was all wrong. I went hungry a lot and sometimes would pass out in school. My stepmother was against Indians getting an education, but the law required us to go to school. So when we came home she'd take our books until time to go to school again. NO reading was allowed. I snuck a book home which she found. I was not only given no food for a day, but had to watch her burn the book. But it didn't make me give up reading, only to be more careful not to get caught. When I reached 9th grade in high school, she wanted me to quit school. When I refused she kicked me out. For months I lived on the streets but still went to school. I got there early enough to use the gym showers and washed my few clothes by hand in gas station rest rooms. Then I found an after school job where my boss didn't ask me my age. I was able to pay for a room at a YWCA and lived in luxury. I once had a gun put to my head, and was raped while on the streets. BUT I GRADUATED! I then joined the Army. In 1978 a bill was signed which allowed Indians freedom of religion. No one else would be taken from parents for their religion or lack of it! So I might not have been in one of the cities you listed, but I know how easy it would have been to give up and blamed it on life being unfair to minorities. I'd heard the message in multiple ways that minorities need to be taken care of by the government as competing evenly with whites is beyond our abilities. But I was too stubborn and had too much pride in myself to buy that narrative. I was determined to make it by my own efforts, not by hand-outs. If that makes me sanctimonious, maybe more minorities need to be sanctimonious!

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May 26, 2019 04:21:06   #
JoyV
 
Morgan wrote:
Well we were talking about the great public schools given to people in poverty, I can very easily go to poverty strickened states as in Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi and Louisiana, all red states all with the lowest levels of education in general, not to mention the poverty areas and yes usually black. So what say you now MAGA Man...BOOM YA

Now do you really think it's as simple as what party is the governor, or in the states house, or do you possibly think there are other factors?


Mississippi, a red state, and New York, a blue state; are tied with a score of 236 out of 500 so both have a negative 4 public school rating. Georgia, a red state, has a score of 236 out of 500 with a negative 2 rating. While California, a blue state, has a score of 232 out of 500 with a negative 7 rating. But you were correct about Louisiana. It is a red state and has a score of 229 and negative 10 rating. The only one worse is Puerto Rico with a score of 190 and a negative 50 rating. While the next highest to LA is NM with a score of 230 and a negative 9 rating.

So your list of the lowest levels of education is not accurate. Nor can you make a direct correlation between low educational scores and blacks. You assume that the lowest educational scores must come from blacks. For instance, CA, which has lower scores than any on your list but LA, has only 7% of its population being black or African American. This is another example of the racist attitude of the left that minorities are less capable than whites and therefore need to be taken care of instead of encouraging them to succeed by their own merit!

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May 26, 2019 04:30:07   #
JoyV
 
Morgan wrote:
My apologies, I should not have said that, getting tired,but blaming it on a party is a very simple answer and a cop out, without giving it much thought to why the conditions in the inner cities are the way they are and we can go back to the beginning after the migration from the civil war. But we were talking about the so called great education in the public schools in the poverty areas, that is a complete falsehood.

How can we have a conversation if people can't be honest?


Never heard of the great education in public schools in poverty areas. If you are referring to my post about minorities getting a better chance at a better education with school choice (where the parents can choose which public schools to send their kids to instead of being forced to stick with their district schools no matter how good or bad); that is a big jump from that to saying poverty area public schools provide a great education.

But I agree with you that you can't blame school performance simply on party.

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May 26, 2019 07:13:01   #
cbpat1
 
Morgan wrote:
Well we were talking about the great public schools given to people in poverty, I can very easily go to poverty strickened states as in Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi and Louisiana, all red states all with the lowest levels of education in general, not to mention the poverty areas and yes usually black. So what say you now MAGA Man...BOOM YA

Now do you really think it's as simple as what party is the governor, or in the states house, or do you possibly think there are other factors?




While I was watching Waters world last night, he was interviewing college educated people from one of your sacred blue states. He asked questions like; Who did the USA fight in the Vietnam War and he got answers like France, Germany and “gee, I don’t know”. Then when he asked who won the Civil War, he got answers like China, Russia, England and “Is this a trick question?”

These were college kids from a high profile college from a blue state. Maybe before you start poking fun at us dumb ass crackers, you should take a look at your dumb ass over paid and over hyped educators from your so called superior blue states. They could use a little tune up themselves.

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May 26, 2019 08:29:59   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
archie bunker wrote:
I agree. Impeach him already, and shut up. Then they can start on Pence. But they have nothing there either. So, where are we? Not gonna be happy till there's a democrat controlled government, and a human turd on every sidewalk?
Great vision for America, eh?


Won’t need to start with Pence, there is no bases for impeachment~ if they had all this claimed evidence they have lied about for two years now you can bet they would have filed Impeachment well before now...Its just more lies, idol threats for deflection of all coming out about their false framing of Trump and who really was colluding with Russia~~

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May 26, 2019 08:36:20   #
Morgan
 
cbpat1 wrote:
While I was watching Waters world last night, he was interviewing college educated people from one of your sacred blue states. He asked questions like; Who did the USA fight in the Vietnam War and he got answers like France, Germany and “gee, I don’t know”. Then when he asked who won the Civil War, he got answers like China, Russia, England and “Is this a trick question?”

These were college kids from a high profile college from a blue state. Maybe before you start poking fun at us dumb ass crackers, you should take a look at your dumb ass over paid and over hyped educators from your so called superior blue states. They could use a little tune up themselves.
While I was watching Waters world last night, he w... (show quote)


All hearsay BS with no credibility, I never poked fun I was responding to a party implication so don't blame the messenger for your own stats, whichever one of those states you came from, these stats are an average and not stating that well-educated people don't come out of them, but you knew that right...before you started throwing insults? I get it, you emotionally overreacted, it happens.

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May 26, 2019 08:39:47   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
JoyV wrote:
Did it ever occur to you that with all the elite swamp denizens who want to impeach Trump, that if they had any evidence it would have been used? That if there WAS any evidence, the eager anti-Trump special counsel investigators would have found something?


I don’t know how many times I have posted the very same thing you say here, Joy..

We know why, its all lies, Schiff “having evidence, plenty of evidence” as example... So where is it ??

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May 26, 2019 09:12:48   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
cbpat1 wrote:
While I was watching Waters world last night, he was interviewing college educated people from one of your sacred blue states. He asked questions like; Who did the USA fight in the Vietnam War and he got answers like France, Germany and “gee, I don’t know”. Then when he asked who won the Civil War, he got answers like China, Russia, England and “Is this a trick question?”

These were college kids from a high profile college from a blue state. Maybe before you start poking fun at us dumb ass crackers, you should take a look at your dumb ass over paid and over hyped educators from your so called superior blue states. They could use a little tune up themselves.
While I was watching Waters world last night, he w... (show quote)


Jesse Waters sure points out just how oblivious sooo many of our young are in history these days.
What the hell is our liberal "educators" teaching these days.

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May 26, 2019 09:47:15   #
Morgan
 
[quote=JoyV]Mississippi, a red state, and New York, a blue state; are tied with a score of 236 out of 500 so both have a negative 4 public school rating. Georgia, a red state, has a score of 236 out of 500 with a negative 2 rating. While California, a blue state, has a score of 232 out of 500 with a negative 7 rating. But you were correct about Louisiana. It is a red state and has a score of 229 and negative 10 rating. The only one worse is Puerto Rico with a score of 190 and a negative 50 rating. While the next highest to LA is NM with a score of 230 and a negative 9 rating.

So your list of the lowest levels of education is not accurate. Nor can you make a direct correlation between low educational scores and blacks.
JoyV wrote:
You assume that the lowest educational scores must come from blacks. For instance, CA, which has lower scores than any on your list but LA, has only 7% of its population being black or African American.


Nice slant there Joy in order to accuse the left of prejudice,( you guys are constant and relentless aren't you) I never brought up any race card up but was strictly speaking of poverty. Also, I see you ever so conveniently left out the Mexican population which has a very substantial impact on the stats of California.
Don't tell me what I assume especially when you are so wrong and clueless of it. Typical of the right you state your own personal ASSUMPTION as a fact.

JoyV wrote:
This is another example of the racist attitude of the left that minorities are less capable than whites and therefore need to be taken care of instead of encouraging them to succeed by their own merit!
This is pure BULLSHIT and shame on you to promote this anti-party rhetoric.

My response was from hadenough stating the poverty in the inner cities of Chicago, Detroit and New York was due to democratic politics, my reply was showing him it is also prevalent in Red governed states also. A couple of the states I mentioned may not be at "the lowest" but they certainly are not doing well, but as a country, we are not doing well in education in general. Way too much is going to the military. IMO

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May 26, 2019 09:56:40   #
Morgan
 
JoyV wrote:
Never heard of the great education in public schools in poverty areas. If you are referring to my post about minorities getting a better chance at a better education with school choice (where the parents can choose which public schools to send their kids to instead of being forced to stick with their district schools no matter how good or bad); that is a big jump from that to saying poverty area public schools provide a great education.

But I agree with you that you can't blame school performance simply on party.
Never heard of the great education in public schoo... (show quote)


Your quote: giving minority families a chance to choose the best public schools for their children where they might get a decent education to compete in the real world.

That would be nice, again not the norm, or reality in most cases, you can't pick schools unless you can claim "a hardship" and get accepted, the reality is that areas are zoned with the intention of separating classes for the most part. Higher taxed areas get the better schools it's that simple. If and when it works out it is the exception... and not the rule. If you don't pay those taxes your not getting into that country club sweety.

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May 26, 2019 10:16:57   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
JoyV wrote:
What do you mean by "separate claim". A Constitutionalist is someone who bottom line is not a political platform but rather the United States Constitution; NOT the UN, international law, or political correctness!!!!

You wrote, "People on the left don't treat minorities as less capable" What about the left been saying that blacks are less capable of getting IDs for voting. What about giving higher education slots to those without the best scores because they are a minority, while pushing the more deserving back. {By more deserving I mean those that have made the highest score not simply been the right skin color.}

So are you saying the district public schools in Detroit, Chicago or the Bronx provide a better education than public charter schools? And if they did, and parents were free to choose, they would then choose the district schools. As a parent, I wanted the best education that I can afford for my son, and want the best for my grandkids. The left doesn't want minority parents to be able to choose their kids schools. Why? And if you say it will hurt district schools when kids are pulled out; that will only happen if the district schools are NOT providing a good education!!!! I didn't have a charter school option for my son. And the district public schools were not providing a decent education let alone a good one. So I filed the paperwork to home school him. He had been in special ed and nothing much was expected of him. He had a high math aptitude, and made some money tutoring high school kids in calculus, while the school would only allow him to take the types of remedial math for those in special ed. But his reading was a disaster. He had a tracking problem with his vision so had difficulty distinguishing one line of print from the ones above and below as each eye saw a different line. His reading had stalled at the 2nd grade level, and he had become lazy with the school and teachers making excuses for why what I expected of him was to much. When I took him out of school in October he was reading at a 2nd grade level in 7th grade. In march he took state testing and came out with reading and comprehension at grade 14. I worked nights and schooled him in the mornings before getting some sleep in the afternoons. I made trade deals with college mathematics professors or students to tutor him in higher maths which was far beyond my understanding. But to simply accept what the government gives you and the school within whose district you live, is a cop out. Caring parents, if given a choice, will choose whichever school gives their kids the best option. So why is it racist to give minorities that option, but politically correct to force minorities and the poor to keep their kids in schools with are failing to teach.

Nor did I grow up advantaged. I was taken away from my mother because as an Indian the law required her to belong to the religion assigned to the reservation she was from. But since she never baptized me or my sister in that religion, she was declared a criminal and unfit mother. The judge gave us to our stepmother who was an abusive Sunday school teacher. When I started school before being taken fro my mother, I thought I could speak English. But it was really a type of pidgin and my syntax was all wrong. I went hungry a lot and sometimes would pass out in school. My stepmother was against Indians getting an education, but the law required us to go to school. So when we came home she'd take our books until time to go to school again. NO reading was allowed. I snuck a book home which she found. I was not only given no food for a day, but had to watch her burn the book. But it didn't make me give up reading, only to be more careful not to get caught. When I reached 9th grade in high school, she wanted me to quit school. When I refused she kicked me out. For months I lived on the streets but still went to school. I got there early enough to use the gym showers and washed my few clothes by hand in gas station rest rooms. Then I found an after school job where my boss didn't ask me my age. I was able to pay for a room at a YWCA and lived in luxury. I once had a gun put to my head, and was raped while on the streets. BUT I GRADUATED! I then joined the Army. In 1978 a bill was signed which allowed Indians freedom of religion. No one else would be taken from parents for their religion or lack of it! So I might not have been in one of the cities you listed, but I know how easy it would have been to give up and blamed it on life being unfair to minorities. I'd heard the message in multiple ways that minorities need to be taken care of by the government as competing evenly with whites is beyond our abilities. But I was too stubborn and had too much pride in myself to buy that narrative. I was determined to make it by my own efforts, not by hand-outs. If that makes me sanctimonious, maybe more minorities need to be sanctimonious!
What do you mean by "separate claim". A... (show quote)


Thanks for sharing, JoyV.
IMO; You are one great lady.
Smart and persistent.

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May 26, 2019 10:19:18   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Morgan wrote:
Your quote: giving minority families a chance to choose the best public schools for their children where they might get a decent education to compete in the real world.

That would be nice, again not the norm, or reality in most cases, you can't pick schools unless you can claim "a hardship" and get accepted, the reality is that areas are zoned with the intention of separating classes for the most part. Higher taxed areas get the better schools it's that simple. If and when it works out it is the exception... and not the rule. If you don't pay those taxes your not getting into that country club sweety.
Your quote: giving minority families a chance to ... (show quote)


This may be the problem;
Liberals have been running the public "education" system.

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May 26, 2019 10:38:00   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Morgan wrote:
Your quote: giving minority families a chance to choose the best public schools for their children where they might get a decent education to compete in the real world.

That would be nice, again not the norm, or reality in most cases, you can't pick schools unless you can claim "a hardship" and get accepted, the reality is that areas are zoned with the intention of separating classes for the most part. Higher taxed areas get the better schools it's that simple. If and when it works out it is the exception... and not the rule. If you don't pay those taxes your not getting into that country club sweety.
Your quote: giving minority families a chance to ... (show quote)


One better aspect to the limitations of schools in the district you reside is changing for the better, just taking way to long to implement.. Seems an easy task but nothing in government is easy..
Time always the issue...I say get education back to the state level, not the government level.. I’d can the Dept of Education in a heart beat!!

School choice, or the right to decide where and how to educate your children, has always existed for parents who could afford to send their children to a private school or to move to a better school district. Today, however, many states are implementing policies and programs that make available an unprecedented array of education options for families of varying levels. As of 2011, families in at least 18 states had some form of school choice, and legislators in 41 states introduced or passed school choice bills.

While there are many different types of "school choice" programs, they can be generally categorized into two basic forms: public school choice and private school choice.
Public School Choice

Despite the spread of private school choice programs, the majority of students – an estimated 56 million – remain in government-funded public schools, and too many of those schools are underperforming or failing. We spend nearly 500 billion on public schools, and yet graduation rates are as low as 52 to 56 percent for minority students. Clearly, efforts to increase choice and competition for families inside the public school system remain essential...

https://www.focusonthefamily.com/socialissues/education/school-choice/school-choice-issue

https://www2.ed.gov/parents/schools/choice/definitions.html

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May 26, 2019 13:01:39   #
son of witless
 
JoyV wrote:
Not on social media either. Maybe they were all abducted by aliens?


Illegal ?

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