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May 25, 2019 16:43:48   #
Mikeyavelli
 
son of witless wrote:
" one-party country with the plutocrats in charge. "

Plutocrats against Bureaucrats. Your fear verses mine. Plutocrats tend to be independent competitors of one another which makes them far less dangerous than the Bureaucracy who tend to cooperate against the common good.

If Trump is chief Plutocrat, Obama was chief bureaucrat.


Good observation.

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May 25, 2019 16:56:43   #
son of witless
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Good observation.


Our side rails about un elected tin horn bureaucratic Gods in all levels local, state, and national making more and more regulations to entrap Joe six pack and tell him when to get up, when to take a crap, what church he can't go to, how much Carbon he can emit, and much of the money he earns that he can keep.

Their side rails that under us, a bunch of rich guys are buying power and telling them they can't have their abortions, their weed, and their welfare. But they have even more rich guys on their side than we do. Plus their rich guys are richer than our rich guys.

Did I leave anything out ? Oh yea, their hypocrisy.

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May 25, 2019 17:04:23   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
son of witless wrote:
Our side rails about un elected tin horn bureaucratic Gods in all levels local, state, and national making more and more regulations to entrap Joe six pack and tell him when to get up, when to take a crap, what church he can't go to, how much Carbon he can emit, and much of the money he earns that he can keep.

Their side rails that under us, a bunch of rich guys are buying power and telling them they can't have their abortions, their weed, and their welfare. But they have even more rich guys on their side than we do. Plus their rich guys are richer than our rich guys.

Did I leave anything out ? Oh yea, their hypocrisy.
Our side rails about un elected tin horn bureaucra... (show quote)


I think you have it down pretty well. Shame everbody can't see it.

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May 25, 2019 17:28:42   #
son of witless
 
archie bunker wrote:
I think you have it down pretty well. Shame everbody can't see it.


I strive for clarity because the world runs on BS and as an old fashioned guy, I refuse to go along. Much of what people say is intentionally murky. I look at the lies and ask myself, is there a way to simply say WTF is going on here. Most of the liberals on here are locked into their own fantasies and it is easy for their puppeteers to pull their strings.

I am open to the idea that I also have people pulling my strings. I am waiting for a liberal who is smart enough to try to sell me that one. No takers as of this moment.

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May 25, 2019 17:42:45   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
son of witless wrote:
I strive for clarity because the world runs on BS and as an old fashioned guy, I refuse to go along. Much of what people say is intentionally murky. I look at the lies and ask myself, is there a way to simply say WTF is going on here. Most of the liberals on here are locked into their own fantasies and it is easy for their puppeteers to pull their strings.

I am open to the idea that I also have people pulling my strings. I am waiting for a liberal who is smart enough to try to sell me that one. No takers as of this moment.
I strive for clarity because the world runs on BS ... (show quote)


You're better at it than me! Kudos!

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May 25, 2019 19:10:38   #
son of witless
 
archie bunker wrote:
You're better at it than me! Kudos!


I've been arguing with liberals since I was on dial up. I am a political junkie. I can't help it. The crazier the liberal, the better. I swear the ones in the early Bush years were just as hateful and nuts, but more honest and far more intelligent. I keep waiting for that caliber of Liberal, but I guess they are all on social media and I refuse to go there.

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May 25, 2019 19:48:50   #
Morgan
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Ain't no middle today. You are either for America and Trump or against America and the kommiecrats.
Buttgagag will fake a turn to the middle, but he will govern from the new socialist left.
Leveling America to be assimilated into the New World Order is the job of the next kommiecrat president.
I prefer my sovereignty and I am quite comfortable with America being the lone Superpower.
America isn't a charity or a hospital or everyman's land.


That's ridiculous and unreasonable.

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May 25, 2019 20:15:26   #
JoyV
 
cbpat1 wrote:
I’ll tell you who got the tax cuts. Ordinary Americans did. My wife and I own a small business and during the Obama years we had some years that we had increases of 1% - 3% and some years were flat with no increase at all. During Trumps years we have had a 15% increase the first year, a 12% the second and so far this year we are up 14%. We are seeing middle income people spending more money on big ticket items, which says to me that people have more money to spend and also have more confidence in the Trump economy than they did in Obama’s economy.

You liberals can spin things any way you want, but, I’m seeing proof that things are working better for the average Joe under Trump than they were under the democrats plan. I guarantee you that if a democrat gets back in office and starts dismantling the things that Trump has done, that my business and millions of other businesses will see a decline, if not a recession.
I’ll tell you who got the tax cuts. Ordinary Ameri... (show quote)


Yes it helped many small businesses, as well as putting so many more people to work. My brother has a security business. He use to have 7 trucks and 15 full time employees. By the time Trump was elected he was down to 1 truck and three employees, two of which were part time. By Jan of last year he had 5 trucks and 7 full time employees and 2 part time employees (who didn't want full time work.) He could have had even more but decided to keep the business that side. During the down time he kept tabs on some of his ex-employees with kids and helped with medical and food where possible.

I train guide dogs and service dogs. In the 1990s I charged $500/month to keep and train a dog till certification. By the middle of Obama's 2nd term, I was charging $250/month yet vet, feed, and gas were considerably higher. I quit providing any but the absolute necessary vet care, doing as much as possible myself. I gave shots myself and did not take dogs to vets for routine wellness check-ups. I quit providing heart worm prevention or testing for hip and elbow displasia. I fed a cheaper less nutritious feed. If it hadn't been for donations I couldn't have made it that far as even with the cut back in what I provided, my expenses exceeded what I could charge. The last two Obama years I was turning blind and disabled people away. Now I an charging $650/month. I'm providing quality feed and vet care. And paying for better equipment. The amount is high enough I can train one dog a year at a sliding scale rate for someone in need who is low income. What expenses aren't covered in their fees are supplemented by those who have good incomes.

I have a couple of other friends with small businesses. All took a downturn after the crash, but were struggling far more in Obama's 2nd term after 4 years of "recovery". Now they are all improving. Some have improved so much in the last 2 years that they are doing much better than before the crash.

I don't have any employees. But my brother and friends do. So not only are they better off, but they are providing more jobs which help more people.

The two states we are all in are AZ and NM. Neither state is a lucrative state. And both are struggling with massive influxes of illegals. So that it has improved so much here means the country as a whole must be doing very well!

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May 25, 2019 20:34:35   #
JoyV
 
Morgan wrote:
Really ha, and YOU know what Trump does sexually, please, spare me.

The only thing I support is for people to have the right to do their own choosing and not the governments.

I'm not worried about my demise, but I am about this country's demise and see it in the New Radical Right.

You people are so misguided that you still don't get it, what the left is even talking about, it is truly amazing. You take what the left is talking about when speaking of equality, which has to do with people not being racially prejudice or bias, and NOT to do with distributing wealth throughout equally. Geeez
Really ha, and YOU know what Trump does sexually, ... (show quote)


If that is the left's definition of equality, even if all on the left abide by it; the minorities and low income will never succeed in large numbers. Equality, as I and many conservative Constitutionalists see it, is providing a level playing field. Everybody gets an equal chance to succeed in education, work, and business. No one is either held back or down, nor given preference. Instead of treating minorities as less capable who need to be protected and treated like children, we want to see they get the same opportunity as everyone else to succeed or fail on their own merit. We treat them as capable adults who just need to be given a fair shake. Instead of being worried about politically correct language, and avoiding offending everyone; why not do things which will make a real difference like growing business and therefore jobs, or giving minority families a chance to choose the best public schools for their children where they might get a decent education to compete in the real world.

Now before those of you on the left get on your high horse and say this is a white person's view; note that I am an American Indian (with the emphasis on American).

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May 25, 2019 20:43:33   #
JoyV
 
archie bunker wrote:
I don't get it. Obstruct what? Cover up what? Who, in their right mind would try to cover up a crime that they didn't commit?
As far as using executive privilege to ignore subpoenas, that's not exclusive to this administration. And there's a huge document dump coming. What more do you want?


And look at WHAT was being investigated when executive privilege was used.

Obama.
Benghazi and Fast and furious. Both of which were done during the presidential time in office, and both of which involved the legislative branch through congressional funding or violations of the balance of power.

Trump.
Personal finances from many years before he was in office which had zero to do with legislating or congressional funding appropriations.

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May 25, 2019 20:47:13   #
JoyV
 
Morgan wrote:
Show me where I'm wrong? As of May 22, 2019, the United States Senate has confirmed 112 Article III judges nominated by President Trump, including 2 Associate Justices of the Supreme Court of the United States, 41 judges for the United States Courts of Appeals, 69 judges for the United States District Courts,
and 16 announced federal judicial vacancies that will occur before the end of Trump's first term (2 for the Courts of Appeals and 14 for District Courts). Trump has not made any recess appointments to the federal courts.

In terms of Article I courts, as of March 5, 2019, the Senate has confirmed 7 judges nominated by Trump, including 2 for the United States Tax Court, 4 for the United States Court of Appeals for Veterans Claims, and 1 for the United States Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces. There are currently 9 nominations to Article I courts awaiting Senate action, including 4 for the United States Court of Federal Claims, 4 for the Tax Court, and 1 for the United States Court of Military Commission Review. Trump designated Susan G. Braden and Margaret M. Sweeney as chief judges of the Court of Federal Claims.

In terms of Article IV territorial courts, Trump has not made any appointments or elevated any judges to the position of chief judge...yet
Show me where I'm wrong? As of May 22, 2019, the U... (show quote)


Although under a different system, what about all the immigration judges? These are under the executive branch instead of judicial branch. But they are still judges.

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May 25, 2019 20:56:03   #
JoyV
 
Morgan wrote:
Ya know arch, all I want is the truth, I don't care if it's Obama, Hillary, Trump or ANYBODY, if we are being deceived and corruption is involved with any of them I'd want to know, and maybe even more so with Obama, because I did at the very least believe him.

My Grandmother, more so than my mother, drilled into me the importance of honesty and she was my mentor and if I hate anything it is being lied to. This is probably why I will not budge on Trump.


Does that mean you haven't voted since Ford at least? Can't recall any Ford lies. But then again he didn't really do anything or claim anything which he might lie about. Truman? But other than those two possibles, I can think of no president who hasn't lied while on the campaign trail, in office, or both. If you wait for total honesty it will be a very long wait. Even Lincoln was not completely honest despite gaining the nickname Honest Abe.

For myself, I care first and foremost on what kind of job the president is doing. Is it making things better or worse for Americans. I'm not marrying them so they don't need to meet my personal standards.

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May 25, 2019 21:00:22   #
JoyV
 
son of witless wrote:
I've been arguing with liberals since I was on dial up. I am a political junkie. I can't help it. The crazier the liberal, the better. I swear the ones in the early Bush years were just as hateful and nuts, but more honest and far more intelligent. I keep waiting for that caliber of Liberal, but I guess they are all on social media and I refuse to go there.


Not on social media either. Maybe they were all abducted by aliens?

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May 25, 2019 21:10:29   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Morgan wrote:
I for one can't wait to see it. Unfortunately, the Dems don't have the power to obstruct like the right is now with Trump, we see clearly to all those manipulations in their attempt to control ALL the branches of government and to turn this country into a totalitarian one-party country with the plutocrats in charge. Fortunately, the Dems won back the house and have dismantled their attempts for total and supreme control, hmm what does this sound like.
I for one can't wait to see it. Unfortunately, the... (show quote)


It is way past time talking about it.. Kinda like the phrase Sh*t or get off the pot...

I don’t know about that power to obstruct thing the dems certainly haven’t done a bad job of it for the last two years...

The totalitarian one party country is either party’s dream..Who are we kidding to think anything other than that???

I suppose it’s fortunate the Dems won back the house but they haven’t done a damn thing with it in the last two years other than try to unseat Trump...

I’ll ask you the same question, what do they expect to run on, what is their format, who is actually running the party, it sure isn’t pelosi, what are their accomplishments they are going to praise themselves about?

I think this BS has gone on long enough and it’s time the people we elected to do things for our country and put in office, do them!

Like I’ve been saying all along now just bring the impeachment..Of course they have to have a charge, I understand that, but a good number of them claim to have all kinds of evidence to wrongdoing so why don’t they just use it instead of the idol threat as if that carries any fear..

Since we agree it needs to happen I’m gonna send you your own bucket of popcorn when they actually do it!

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May 25, 2019 21:29:30   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
eagleye13 wrote:
"Sick if it all someone tell me just exactly what the dem party has accomplished this term of theirs?? Just one thing for our country, just one....Good grief what a pathetic display they put before the world no less."

I am waiting for an answer to that question.


I’v been waiting for months now that we’re getting closer and don’t get a reply..

Heck have you heard anything viable from the few running around now?? Warren? Bernie? Biden? Beto? Harris, boy there’s a winner for you...She changes so much from one day to the next she doesn’t even know what she stands for..Are they dems, progressives , left leaning democrat socialist, just socialists?? What??? Geeezzz its hard to keep up...

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