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Trump's grotesque and insulting Memorial Day debacle: Honoring war criminals with pardons
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May 25, 2019 02:42:40   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
rumitoid wrote:
Thank you.


You're welcome.

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May 25, 2019 02:52:55   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
trucksterbud wrote:
Where do you get this 'better than thou' stuff from rumi….??? Do you know anything about "War Criminals"...??? What defines a war criminal in your depraved little mind..??

The wars we fight now are not like WWII or WWI, or even the Vietnam War.

The enemy could be anybody. Maybe one of our servicemen shot up some locals. Maybe he shot up some children taking out the perceived enemy. In the present day fighting the Taliban, Al-Queda, or radical Islam there is no way to know who the enemy may be. Get off your intellectual 'better than thou' stool. I don't recall ANYBODY stating what these servicemen or women were accused of.

War isn't pretty butthead. Get used to it, or maybe get out of your little fantasy bubble. Did you consider that maybe.... just maybe... Trump has been briefed on extenuating circumstances, that maybe an otherwise outstanding military service was tainted by a bad choice one time, and maybe.....just maybe, Trump and some of the military advisors feel that the particular service member should be pardoned.

I don't see where its your call, where its your decision to make accusations, or its your decision to decide whether or not the country is worse of for it.

Maybe we should say the country is worse off just because you're here and post on OPP....

Maybe we should point out the level of self-righteousness you have. Who are you to judge ANYBODY who has been to war..??
Where do you get this 'better than thou' stuff fro... (show quote)


Bravo,Trucksterbud!!!...Couldnt of said better myself...

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May 25, 2019 02:54:39   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
The depravity of man is at once the most empirically verifiable fact at the same time it is the most intellectually resistant.
(Mugeridge)

Yes, I am a Christian and I know it is not my place to pass judgement on those who have done wrong. That President Trump wishes to pardon these men does not in any way make him an evil person. We will all be held accountable for what we have done, we will either be rewarded or we will be punished.

I have seen the depravity of man, rumi, not just that of adults but of boys and girls. When I was a firefighter, we were dispatched to a home full of smoke. The oldest son, around 10 years old, who as the story went, was a bully, along with his sidekick, put his sister's kitten in a microwave and cooked it alive. You have no idea what that did to that family, how it shattered his parents and so thoroughly traumatized his sister. You have no idea how five experienced firefighters who have seen human tragedy up close and personal felt about that.

Your outrage over Trump pardoning these men is not an isolated emotional upheaval, it doesn't just hang on a peg all its own, it didn't come out of the blue. Rather, it is a continuation of a long festering hatred that is very un-Christian in its manifestations.

What is the count now? Three threads on this? And for what? I mean, Lord have mercy, do you really think your hostility toward President Trump is just a flash in the pan, that it is unique? Well, you go ahead and have your fits of outrage, brand the man not quite the anti-Christ, put him in league with the devil and one notch above Hitler, and while you simmer down like a serial rapist until the next opportunity for you to attack, we will bide our time and gird our hearts to deal with your next outrage.
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Thank you,Blade!!!...You said what i always wanted to say,but i dont want to get kicked out!!!

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May 25, 2019 02:57:28   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
rumitoid wrote:
The man is without any conscience. He is clueless as to how wrong his actions are. I needed to post another thread on this topic to expose the true nature of its depravity. He dishonors and besmirches all our Armed Forces now and for the future. If you cannot see that this nation is worse off than I thought.


So tired of your self righteous BS!!!!!!!!!!

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May 25, 2019 03:10:20   #
badbob85037
 
rumitoid wrote:
The man is without any conscience. He is clueless as to how wrong his actions are. I needed to post another thread on this topic to expose the true nature of its depravity. He dishonors and besmirches all our Armed Forces now and for the future. If you cannot see that this nation is worse off than I thought.


Since obama I don't mind someone without a conscience, clueless, and depraved. As long as it isn't some democrat selling our uranium for a $110 million bribe or some American hating democrat traitor sending plane loads of cash to out biggest enemy. After crap like that even a school shooter would make a good leader. Right? Right.

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May 25, 2019 05:17:21   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
rumitoid wrote:
The man is without any conscience. He is clueless as to how wrong his actions are. I needed to post another thread on this topic to expose the true nature of its depravity. He dishonors and besmirches all our Armed Forces now and for the future. If you cannot see that this nation is worse off than I thought.


Hold on no pardons yet,
Trump says considering pardons for some US soldiers accused of war crimes
Trump told reporters at the White House that he had not decided yet on the cases but may wait until the accused stood trial before deciding whether to grant them pardons.
“Some of these soldiers are people that have fought hard, long. You know, we teach them how to be great fighters, and then when they fight sometime, they get really treated very unfairly,”
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/25/trump-says-considering-pardons-for-some-soldiers-accused-of-war-crimes.html

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May 25, 2019 06:04:35   #
Big Kahuna
 
Rumitoid, one who is anti-Christ does not give more God given freedoms back to the people, does not call good evil and evil good, does not obey God's tenant to honor Israel and his chosen people. One who is anti-Christ will give billions $$$$ in cash to an Islamic country that wants to destroy Israel, will endorse laws which punish Christians for refusing to endorse the lgbtxyz agenda, will fly the rainbow colors of perversion over our White House (knowing that the rainbow was meant to be a covenant by God that he would never destroy the Earth by water again). No, ovommit and the dems are the ones who are anti-Christ and you need a wake up call.

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May 25, 2019 07:38:01   #
Owl32 Loc: ARK
 
rumitoid wrote:
The man is without any conscience. He is clueless as to how wrong his actions are. I needed to post another thread on this topic to expose the true nature of its depravity. He dishonors and besmirches all our Armed Forces now and for the future. If you cannot see that this nation is worse off than I thought.


were you there? I do not think so.

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May 25, 2019 08:25:06   #
CodyCoonhound Loc: Redbone Country
 
rumitoid wrote:
The man is without any conscience. He is clueless as to how wrong his actions are. I needed to post another thread on this topic to expose the true nature of its depravity. He dishonors and besmirches all our Armed Forces now and for the future. If you cannot see that this nation is worse off than I thought.


So you are out raged. Clean your own house first. The largest spy case in USA history and OhB pardons him. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/17/us/politics/obama-commutes-bulk-of-chelsea-mannings-sentence.html

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May 25, 2019 08:36:16   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
CodyCoonhound wrote:
So you are out raged. Clean your own house first. The largest spy case in USA history and OhB pardons him. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/17/us/politics/obama-commutes-bulk-of-chelsea-mannings-sentence.html


I would like for the self righteous hypocrite to reply to this!

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May 25, 2019 09:35:41   #
MR Mister Loc: Washington DC
 
rumitoid wrote:
The man is without any conscience. He is clueless as to how wrong his actions are. I needed to post another thread on this topic to expose the true nature of its depravity. He dishonors and besmirches all our Armed Forces now and for the future. If you cannot see that this nation is worse off than I thought.


So, you think is OK to imprison soldiers for killing the enemy? Yeah, Obama thought so too.

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May 25, 2019 09:41:06   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
CodyCoonhound wrote:
So you are out raged. Clean your own house first. The largest spy case in USA history and OhB pardons him. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/17/us/politics/obama-commutes-bulk-of-chelsea-mannings-sentence.html



You misunderstand your own headline... "Obama commutes"

that is very different then a pardon, it does not remove the guilty verdict.

In effect, it says the punishment was more severe then warranted..

the guilt is not removed from the persons record.



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May 25, 2019 09:49:04   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
MR Mister wrote:
So, you think is OK to imprison soldiers for killing the enemy? Yeah, Obama thought so too.


Wow, once more you never bothered to find out what the charges are on some of these people..

Murder of civilians is included..

we do have rules of war, as dumb as that seems..

If we as a Nation do not live up to the standards we proclaim for ourselves, then how can we ever hope to again recover and become the world leader we had been for generations..

Of all people on earth, trump must be the least qualified to judge any behavior by any person in the military..

If a military court find anyone guilty of a war crime, you can bet your farm that they are indeed very very guilty..


https://qz.com/1625838/us-veterans-are-disgusted-that-trump-may-pardon-edward-gallagher/

DIME THE PRESIDENT
US veterans are disgusted by Trump’s sympathy for accused war criminals
By Ephrat LivniMay 23, 2019

All is not fair in war. There are laws that military members must follow and courts that enforce these rules. Nonetheless, ahead of Memorial Day on May 27, US president Donald Trump is reportedly considering pardons for American servicemen accused or convicted of war crimes, including civilian murders.

Many veterans, acutely aware of the fact that Trump is not one of them, are incensed by the reports. “He is a serial draft evader who wants to play general,” Gary Solis, a former military judge and prosecutor, Marine, and Vietnam war veteran, tells Quartz. “This just exhibits the president’s ignorance.”

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May 25, 2019 09:51:45   #
Kevyn
 
rumitoid wrote:
The man is without any conscience. He is clueless as to how wrong his actions are. I needed to post another thread on this topic to expose the true nature of its depravity. He dishonors and besmirches all our Armed Forces now and for the future. If you cannot see that this nation is worse off than I thought.


One of the men being pardoned for war crimes is a sharpshooter who deliberately shot a schoolgirl playing with her friends. No combatants or threats were present he is just a psychopath who murdered a child for entertainment. Pardoning people like this is a slap in the face to every other service member and veteran.

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May 25, 2019 09:52:54   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
permafrost wrote:
Wow, once more you never bothered to find out what the charges are on some of these people..

Murder of civilians is included..

we do have rules of war, as dumb as that seems..

If we as a Nation do not live up to the standards we proclaim for ourselves, then how can we ever hope to again recover and become the world leader we had been for generations..

Of all people on earth, trump must be the least qualified to judge any behavior by any person in the military..

If a military court find anyone guilty of a war crime, you can bet your farm that they are indeed very very guilty..


https://qz.com/1625838/us-veterans-are-disgusted-that-trump-may-pardon-edward-gallagher/

DIME THE PRESIDENT
US veterans are disgusted by Trump’s sympathy for accused war criminals
By Ephrat LivniMay 23, 2019

All is not fair in war. There are laws that military members must follow and courts that enforce these rules. Nonetheless, ahead of Memorial Day on May 27, US president Donald Trump is reportedly considering pardons for American servicemen accused or convicted of war crimes, including civilian murders.

Many veterans, acutely aware of the fact that Trump is not one of them, are incensed by the reports. “He is a serial draft evader who wants to play general,” Gary Solis, a former military judge and prosecutor, Marine, and Vietnam war veteran, tells Quartz. “This just exhibits the president’s ignorance.”
Wow, once more you never bothered to find out what... (show quote)


Mornin Perm, you were in Nam, did you ever witness anything that you should have reported, but didn't because of what's right?

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