lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

I agree with you on the consciousness of the mind being spirit, and believe upon death the spirit (energy) leaves the body...
I’m not positive of it either but is what I think..The essence of the mind that guides us along with the heart which stimulates the life force..

Confused on this topic is just as many scientists are as well.. We’re human...lol

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

Is Blade's "authority" to express his religious beliefs and convictions in any way less than your "authority" to expound upon yours?

science - Dictionary Definition : Vocabulary.com
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quote:Science is an "empirical" field, that is, it develops a body of knowledge by observing things and performing experiments. The meticulous process of gathering and analyzing data is called the "scientific method," and we sometimes use science to describe the knowledge we already have."End quote

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

I have read the main purpose of reincarnation is to bring about the learned lessons needed to further divineness until reaching the absolute or that heavenly plateau...

Touching on what you said earlier, a choice to return brings with it a reason for that return and for the choice made...

Nothing is impossible when speaking in the realm of life, living, potential etc.. Nor should any of it be dismissed..

whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon

Amen ... which is why we have had the principle of separation of church and state for two centuries, and it is now being violated in major ways.

whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon

If it is bent by trends in society it is just pseudo-science and can't be trusted. Science is the gathering of facts and developing theories to explain those facts using logic. Knowledge is the accumulation of what are generally believed to be scientific facts. What you may be referring to is the term "wisdom", which is the ability to determine how those scientific facts can be used. A classic example is that we have the knowledge to develop a biological weapon that kills millions of people ... wisdom is whether to use it or not.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Apparently science did nothing to help you with reading comprehension. I don't think anyone would accuse me of subjecting you to my religious viewpoint by simply asking some questions.

How do you know a growth inside a woman is insentient? Can you prove that? How do you know that the existence of a soul is unprovable? Just because science has not yet provided empirical evidence one way or the other, who's to say one day it won't?

It is not possible that science alone has taught us everything we know. Aesthetic experience, subjective experience, cathartic experience, observation, cognition, the school of hard knocks, trial and error are some of the paths to knowledge in which scientific methods do not apply.

Science cannot explain why ice is slick, but you can experience how slick it is. When you ride a bicycle, it stays upright, but science cannot explain why. You can see through a glass window, but science cannot explain why. Newtons laws of gravity did not teach us to walk or avoid jumping off of cliffs. Science cannot explain where an idea comes from, or dreams, or an epiphany, or the nature of consciousness and self-awareness.

The truth is that very little of the decisions we make, the choices we make or the actions we take are based on the application of scientific laws. Logic and reason apply to very few of our decisions or actions.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Those who will not see by choice.
May never see.
Oh well.

whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon

I can't recall where I read it years ago, but an experiment was done on dying patients where they very accurately weighed the patient through the dying episode. At the moment of death, they detected a very slight loss of weight in the body, as if something had departed from the person. Like I said, it was years ago, and I can't recall the article. But I'm sure that one of our posters could find it.

whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon

Buddhist teachings are replete with the idea of reincarnation. Each Dalai Lama is reputed to be the reincarnated spirit of the previous one, and the Tibetan Buddhists go to great lengths to assess candidates as having knowledge of which only the previous Dalai Lama could have known or had. It isn't limited to the priestly class, either ... the whole idea of karma is that it may come to fruition in a future lifetime, not necessarily this one. Many similarities here.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Now I know I have read of this aa well and will see if something can be found.. It is all fascinating..

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

The "21 grams" experiment was a failure. Basing his hypothesis on souls have weight, Duncan MacDougall, a Massachusetts physician conducted an experiment on six terminal patients in a nursing home.

One of the patients lost weight but then put the weight back on, and two of the other patients registered a loss of weight at death but a few minutes later lost even more weight. One of the patients lost "three-fourths of an ounce" (21.3 grams) in weight, coinciding with the time of death. MacDougall disregarded the results of another patient on the grounds the scales were "not finely adjusted", and discounted the results of another as the patient died while the equipment was still being calibrated. MacDougall reported that none of the dogs lost any weight after death.

While MacDougall believed that the results from his experiment showed the human soul might have weight, his report, which was not published until 1907, stated the experiment would have to be repeated many times before any conclusion could be obtained.

JW

OK, I'll type slower. S C I E N C E means knowledge. That is the meaning of the word.

Science etymology definition
Etymology 1. From Middle English science, scyence, borrowed from Old French science, escience, from Latin scientia (“knowledge”), from sciens, the present participle stem of scire (“to know”).

OK? You cannot KNOW a truth without knowledge.

Then next, I do not accuse you of anything. I have assumed from the posture of your argument that you oppose a woman's choice to abort an unwanted pregnancy. If I am incorrect, I apologize. If I am correct, then what I said still stands. Further, from your argument, the religious basis of your view cannot be separated from the points you make. Therefore, it follows that the overriding consideration in your view hinges on your religious outlook. So, it is evident that you are applying your religious standards to a nonsubscriber's life choices.


I have to assume it is not science you lack confidence in but in the ability to apply the scientific method to things you see as unproven or disadvantageous to your argument.

The scientific method can be applied to all instances of enquirey. Sometimes, there is insufficient evidence to reach a conclusion but the logic still applies. The scientific method only applies to inquirey. You may certainly experience a thing without applying the scientific method but if you choose to learn why your experience happened as it did, the scientific principle is the only approach that can lead to understanding.

I've already addressed the insentience issue so I'll say simply, without a functioning central nervous system, sentience, in the human sense is not possible.


As for your "science can't", you are incorrect in almost all of the examples you raise. I'll just address one of the physical instances. Ice is slick because it is water and a micro thin film of water appears as a result of the friction and pressure placed on the ice by things moving over it.

Finally, science knows what separates self awareness from consciousness and so does every person who has undergone surgery using a new class of anesthetic derived from the valium group of drugs... even if they don't realize they know it. The drugs shut off short term memory and while the patient remains 100% conscious, he has no awareness of himself or of what is happening to him.

Self awareness is a trick of short term memory. I can speak positively of the experience because I have applied scientific principles to researching how it occurs, how the anesthetic works and why doctors refer to the effect as short term amnesia. I experienced the effect first hand and was astounded to discover I could dress myself for going out in the winter as carry on a conversation with a nurse while having absolutely no awareness of myself, dressing or conversing with the nurse until the instant Self awareness returned, in the middle of the afore mentioned situation.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Nope, didn't' happen. I saw the paper too. It was a joke, like saying that women have one less rib than men.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Wouldn't it be very cool, though, if indeed, we got to review our live after we die, and decide to go back and work on something we need in ourselves, or to move forward to a greater realm?!! To, essentially, live another life from child to old man, never knowing that we actually chose that, and wondering about these very same things, even though we already had done that!!??

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

The Golden Child!