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May 23, 2019 14:47:26   #
Fit2BTied Loc: Texas
 
woodguru wrote:
Nothing Prager U is worth watching, it will fry your common sense
Said one of the denizens of "Bizarro World".

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May 23, 2019 14:58:51   #
Ricktloml
 
proud republican wrote:
You people are trying to re-write the Constitution!!!...And why???Just because your Bitch lost the election???


Keep in mind for the left mob rule is exactly what they want.

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May 23, 2019 15:07:45   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
woodguru wrote:
It's just a matter of time, the US is the only democratic nation in the world that doesn't have a straight popular vote.


The United States is a federal republic.

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May 23, 2019 15:12:08   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
America 1 wrote:
The United States is a federal republic.


But they want pure Democracy...Mob rule by their passions at that moment! No pure democracy has ever in world history functioned well, or for very long.

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May 23, 2019 17:26:17   #
peg w
 
We need to put in power the person who gets the most votes. The electoral college is a bad idea.

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May 23, 2019 17:34:30   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
peg w wrote:
We need to put in power the person who gets the most votes. The electoral college is a bad idea.


Why?

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May 23, 2019 17:36:26   #
Fit2BTied Loc: Texas
 
peg w wrote:
We need to put in power the person who gets the most votes. The electoral college is a bad idea.
Yes, of course...who were those idiots who set this ridiculous system up over 240 years ago? Weird thing is the system worked as it was supposed to until 2016, then WHAM! The most qualified presidential candidate ever somehow didn't win. Nothing left to do but blow it up, right!?



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May 23, 2019 17:49:42   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
Fit2BTied wrote:
Yes, of course...who were those idiots who set this ridiculous system up over 240 years ago? Weird thing is the system worked as it was supposed to until 2016, then WHAM! The most qualified presidential candidate ever somehow didn't win. Nothing left to do but blow it up, right!?


The belief that they are of superior intellect than the framers of our constitution.
And HC LOST.

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May 23, 2019 21:01:15   #
Tug484
 
dtucker300 wrote:
This is getting serious. There is a civil war raging in the USA in case you have not noticed. Everything except shooting between combatants has begun.


https://www.dailywire.com/news/47520/nevada-passes-bill-give-electoral-votes-national-james-barrett?utm_source=shapironewsletter-ae&utm_medium=email&utm_content=052219-news&utm_campaign=shapiroemail


Nevada Passes Bill To Give Electoral Votes To National Popular Vote Winner
Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton arrives onstage during a primary night rally at the Duggal Greenhouse in the Brooklyn Navy Yard, June 7, 2016 in the Brooklyn borough of New York City. Drew Angerer/Getty Images



By JAMES BARRETT
May 22, 2019
If Nevada's Democratic governor signs a bill passed by the state senate Tuesday into law, his state will have moved the National Popular Vote movement six votes closer to effectively nullifying the Electoral College as established in the U.S. Constitution.


By a vote of 12-8, the Nevada Senate passed AB 186 on Tuesday, which if signed by Gov. Steve Sisolak, will add Nevada's six electoral votes to the 189 votes already pledged by 14 other states in the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, which would "guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes across all 50 states and the District of Columbia." If triggered, the pact would override the majority decision of voters in particular states.

Thus far, 14 states and one district have officially passed the measure, their collective electoral vote total currently at 189. The compact requires a minimum of 270 total pledged electoral votes to go into effect. Should Sisolak sign the bill, the total would edge up to 195 votes.

The 15 jurisdictions, which are predominantly blue, that have signed on thus far are: California (55), Colorado (9), Connecticut (7), Delaware (3), the District of Columbia (3), Hawaii (4), Illinois (20), Massachusetts (11), Maryland (10), New Jersey (14), New Mexico (5), New York (29), Rhode Island (4), Vermont (3), and Washington (12).

"The bill has passed one house in 9 additional states with 82 electoral votes (AR, AZ, ME, MI, MN, NC, NV, OK, OR), including a 40–16 vote in the Republican-controlled Arizona House and a 28–18 in Republican-controlled Oklahoma Senate, and been approved unanimously by committee votes in two additional Republican-controlled states with 26 electoral votes (GA, MO)," the National Popular Vote website explains.

As CNN underscores suggestively, the Electoral College "clinched President Donald Trump the 2016 presidential victory despite Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton winning a popular-vote majority by nearly 3 million votes." Among the high-profile Democrats pushing for the elimination of the Electoral College are presidential candidates, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (MA), Sen. Kamala Harris (CA), and former Rep. Beto O'Rourke (TX), CNN notes.

Including Trump's victory over Clinton, there have been a total of "five instances where a presidential candidate has been elected without winning the popular vote since the Electoral College was created in 1787," The Hill reports.

In a video for PragerU (below), Electoral College expert Tara Ross explains the rationale behind the current U.S. presidential voting system and summarizes some of the arguments against the National Popular Vote agreement, including the impact of states' widely varying voting policies, the exponentially increased threat of voter fraud, and the encouragement of presidential candidates neglecting the needs and concerns of rural areas and smaller states.

"If NPV is adopted, and winning is only about getting the most votes, a candidate might concentrate all of his efforts in the biggest cities, or the biggest states," she argues. "We could see the end of presidential candidates who care about the needs and concerns of people in smaller states or outside of big cities."



Video and partial transcript below via PragerU:


In every presidential election, only one question matters: which candidate will get the 270 votes needed to win the Electoral College? Our Founders so deeply feared a tyranny of the majority that they rejected the idea of a direct vote for President. That's why they created the Electoral College. For more than two centuries it has encouraged coalition building, given a voice to both big and small states, and discouraged voter fraud.

Unfortunately, there is now a well-financed, below-the-radar effort to do away with the Electoral College. It is called National Popular Vote or NPV, and it wants to do exactly what the Founders rejected: award the job of President to the person who gets the most votes nationally.

Even if you agree with this goal, it's hard to agree with their method. Rather than amend the Constitution, which they have no chance of doing, NPV plans an end run around it.

Here's what NPV does: it asks states to sign a contract to give their presidential electors to the winner of the national popular vote instead of the winner of the state's popular vote.

What does that mean in practice? It means that if NPV had been in place in 2004, for example, when George W. Bush won the national vote, California's electoral votes would have gone to Bush, even though John Kerry won that state by 1.2 million votes! Can you imagine strongly Democratic California calmly awarding its electors to a Republican?

Another problem with NPV's plan is that it robs states of their sovereignty. A key benefit of the Electoral College system is that it decentralizes control over the election. Currently, a presidential election is really 51 separate elections: one in each state and one in D.C.

These 51 separate processes exist, side-by-side, in harmony. They do not -- and cannot -- interfere with each other. California's election code applies only to California and determines that state's electors. So a vote cast in Texas can never change the identity of a California elector.

NPV would disrupt this careful balance. It would force all voters into one national election pool. Thus, a vote cast in Texas will always affect the outcome in California. And the existence of a different election code in Texas always has the potential to unfairly affect a voter in California.

Why? Because state election codes can differ drastically. States have different rules about early voting, registering to vote, and qualifying for the ballot. They have different policies regarding felon voting. They have different triggers for recounts.

Each and every one of these differences is an opportunity for someone, somewhere to file a lawsuit claiming unfair treatment. Why should a voter in New York get more or less time to early vote than a voter in Florida? Why should a hanging chad count in Florida, but not in Ohio? The list of possible complaints is endless.

And think of the opportunities for voter fraud if NPV is passed! Currently, an attempt to steal a presidential election requires phony ballots to appear or real ballots to disappear in the right state or combination of states, something that is very hard to anticipate. But with NPV, voter fraud anywhere can change the election results -- no need to figure out which states you must swing; just add or subtract the votes you need -- or don't want -- wherever you can most easily get away with it.

And finally, if NPV is adopted, and winning is only about getting the most votes, a candidate might concentrate all of his efforts in the biggest cities, or the biggest states. We could see the end of presidential candidates who care about the needs and concerns of people in smaller states or outside of big cities.
This is getting serious. There is a civil war rag... (show quote)


The east and west coast would decide all our elections for potus. DEMS would be in charge forever.

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May 23, 2019 21:07:23   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
Tug484 wrote:
The east and west coast would decide all our elections for potus. DEMS would be in charge forever.


We could stop feeding them.

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May 23, 2019 21:11:36   #
Tug484
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
We could stop feeding them.


I agree and we can secede from the union in Texas.

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May 23, 2019 21:30:26   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
peg w wrote:
We need to put in power the person who gets the most votes. The electoral college is a bad idea.


So forget being qualified, just as long as you win the popularity contest by promising to give people more of the things they don't deserve because they didn't "Earn" them, and take from those who worked hard to provide for themselves and their family. Yeah, what could possibly be wrong with that? "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need." Now where have I heard that before?

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May 23, 2019 21:33:07   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
America 1 wrote:
The belief that they are of superior intellect than the framers of our constitution.
And HC LOST.


Yeah, weird isn't it?

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May 23, 2019 21:37:03   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
johnsorrell7 wrote:
The voter fraud will kill the conservative vote. Ther are States today advocating hi wing the illegal the legal right to vote. We cannot won against these odds.
Something must’ve done to protect the American vote.


"One man, one vote!" No more and no less. Only legitimate citizens to vote.

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May 23, 2019 23:15:26   #
DogLover99
 
I'm concerned it may soon turn into a shooting war. If the leftist doesn't win in 2020 and the Republicans take back the house and stay in control of the Senate, the only thing they will have left is violence. Why do you think the Dummycrats keep trying to get rid of your guns. Obamie already has an army built up. He has over 30,000+ people in his "Organizing for America" Community organizing group. (Funded by George Soros) Ready to go.
There are videos of leaders of "Black Lives Matter" teaching people how to riot, how to how to club people, how to Throat Punch people. How is it that most cities have a law against people wearing masks in public but, it is Never inforced when it comes to BLM? Get Prepared! Lock and Load!

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