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May 22, 2019 16:08:52   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
woodguru wrote:
The reason the electoral college was implemented has no valid reason today...

One person one vote


You people are trying to re-write the Constitution!!!...And why???Just because your Bitch lost the election???

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May 22, 2019 16:12:46   #
Rose42
 
woodguru wrote:
The reason the electoral college was implemented has no valid reason today...

One person one vote


Sure its valid. Who wants to have a few large cities be the deciding factor in how this country is governed? City folks are out of touch with the rest of the country.

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May 22, 2019 16:24:59   #
Liberty Tree
 
woodguru wrote:
The reason the electoral college was implemented has no valid reason today...

One person one vote


You liberals think the whole constitution has no valid reason today.

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May 22, 2019 16:31:44   #
Liberty Tree
 
dtucker300 wrote:
This is getting serious. There is a civil war raging in the USA in case you have not noticed. Everything except shooting between combatants has begun.


https://www.dailywire.com/news/47520/nevada-passes-bill-give-electoral-votes-national-james-barrett?utm_source=shapironewsletter-ae&utm_medium=email&utm_content=052219-news&utm_campaign=shapiroemail


Nevada Passes Bill To Give Electoral Votes To National Popular Vote Winner
Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton arrives onstage during a primary night rally at the Duggal Greenhouse in the Brooklyn Navy Yard, June 7, 2016 in the Brooklyn borough of New York City. Drew Angerer/Getty Images



By JAMES BARRETT
May 22, 2019
If Nevada's Democratic governor signs a bill passed by the state senate Tuesday into law, his state will have moved the National Popular Vote movement six votes closer to effectively nullifying the Electoral College as established in the U.S. Constitution.


By a vote of 12-8, the Nevada Senate passed AB 186 on Tuesday, which if signed by Gov. Steve Sisolak, will add Nevada's six electoral votes to the 189 votes already pledged by 14 other states in the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, which would "guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes across all 50 states and the District of Columbia." If triggered, the pact would override the majority decision of voters in particular states.

Thus far, 14 states and one district have officially passed the measure, their collective electoral vote total currently at 189. The compact requires a minimum of 270 total pledged electoral votes to go into effect. Should Sisolak sign the bill, the total would edge up to 195 votes.

The 15 jurisdictions, which are predominantly blue, that have signed on thus far are: California (55), Colorado (9), Connecticut (7), Delaware (3), the District of Columbia (3), Hawaii (4), Illinois (20), Massachusetts (11), Maryland (10), New Jersey (14), New Mexico (5), New York (29), Rhode Island (4), Vermont (3), and Washington (12).

"The bill has passed one house in 9 additional states with 82 electoral votes (AR, AZ, ME, MI, MN, NC, NV, OK, OR), including a 40–16 vote in the Republican-controlled Arizona House and a 28–18 in Republican-controlled Oklahoma Senate, and been approved unanimously by committee votes in two additional Republican-controlled states with 26 electoral votes (GA, MO)," the National Popular Vote website explains.

As CNN underscores suggestively, the Electoral College "clinched President Donald Trump the 2016 presidential victory despite Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton winning a popular-vote majority by nearly 3 million votes." Among the high-profile Democrats pushing for the elimination of the Electoral College are presidential candidates, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (MA), Sen. Kamala Harris (CA), and former Rep. Beto O'Rourke (TX), CNN notes.

Including Trump's victory over Clinton, there have been a total of "five instances where a presidential candidate has been elected without winning the popular vote since the Electoral College was created in 1787," The Hill reports.

In a video for PragerU (below), Electoral College expert Tara Ross explains the rationale behind the current U.S. presidential voting system and summarizes some of the arguments against the National Popular Vote agreement, including the impact of states' widely varying voting policies, the exponentially increased threat of voter fraud, and the encouragement of presidential candidates neglecting the needs and concerns of rural areas and smaller states.

"If NPV is adopted, and winning is only about getting the most votes, a candidate might concentrate all of his efforts in the biggest cities, or the biggest states," she argues. "We could see the end of presidential candidates who care about the needs and concerns of people in smaller states or outside of big cities."



Video and partial transcript below via PragerU:


In every presidential election, only one question matters: which candidate will get the 270 votes needed to win the Electoral College? Our Founders so deeply feared a tyranny of the majority that they rejected the idea of a direct vote for President. That's why they created the Electoral College. For more than two centuries it has encouraged coalition building, given a voice to both big and small states, and discouraged voter fraud.

Unfortunately, there is now a well-financed, below-the-radar effort to do away with the Electoral College. It is called National Popular Vote or NPV, and it wants to do exactly what the Founders rejected: award the job of President to the person who gets the most votes nationally.

Even if you agree with this goal, it's hard to agree with their method. Rather than amend the Constitution, which they have no chance of doing, NPV plans an end run around it.

Here's what NPV does: it asks states to sign a contract to give their presidential electors to the winner of the national popular vote instead of the winner of the state's popular vote.

What does that mean in practice? It means that if NPV had been in place in 2004, for example, when George W. Bush won the national vote, California's electoral votes would have gone to Bush, even though John Kerry won that state by 1.2 million votes! Can you imagine strongly Democratic California calmly awarding its electors to a Republican?

Another problem with NPV's plan is that it robs states of their sovereignty. A key benefit of the Electoral College system is that it decentralizes control over the election. Currently, a presidential election is really 51 separate elections: one in each state and one in D.C.

These 51 separate processes exist, side-by-side, in harmony. They do not -- and cannot -- interfere with each other. California's election code applies only to California and determines that state's electors. So a vote cast in Texas can never change the identity of a California elector.

NPV would disrupt this careful balance. It would force all voters into one national election pool. Thus, a vote cast in Texas will always affect the outcome in California. And the existence of a different election code in Texas always has the potential to unfairly affect a voter in California.

Why? Because state election codes can differ drastically. States have different rules about early voting, registering to vote, and qualifying for the ballot. They have different policies regarding felon voting. They have different triggers for recounts.

Each and every one of these differences is an opportunity for someone, somewhere to file a lawsuit claiming unfair treatment. Why should a voter in New York get more or less time to early vote than a voter in Florida? Why should a hanging chad count in Florida, but not in Ohio? The list of possible complaints is endless.

And think of the opportunities for voter fraud if NPV is passed! Currently, an attempt to steal a presidential election requires phony ballots to appear or real ballots to disappear in the right state or combination of states, something that is very hard to anticipate. But with NPV, voter fraud anywhere can change the election results -- no need to figure out which states you must swing; just add or subtract the votes you need -- or don't want -- wherever you can most easily get away with it.

And finally, if NPV is adopted, and winning is only about getting the most votes, a candidate might concentrate all of his efforts in the biggest cities, or the biggest states. We could see the end of presidential candidates who care about the needs and concerns of people in smaller states or outside of big cities.
This is getting serious. There is a civil war rag... (show quote)


Next they will say that it is not fair for New York and Montana to have the same number of Senators in Congress.

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May 22, 2019 16:45:58   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
woodguru wrote:
Their vote will continue to mean something if they are on the side of the majority of the country. Their voice will still carry weight in their state and local politics.

Minorities of people will not be able to dictate the policies for the majority.


So the framers of our constitution were just stupid.
They were intelligent enough to see this coming.
The majority vote only means a few states would forever be in control.

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May 22, 2019 16:46:46   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Kevyn wrote:
Everyone’s vote will count the same as they should. As it is people in low population states have significantly more representation than those in larger states. A resident in Wyoming has two senators representing only a bit over a half million people while those in California have two senators for almost forty million. This gives Wyoming voters proportionally 80 times more representation in the senate than Californians.


It gives California about fifteen times more representation than Wyoming. Everything you write is a knee-jerk reaction to something that you have never really given any serious though. You just regurgitate the progressive-leftist talking points because you've been brainwashed so thoroughly that you aren't even aware of it.

We have an Electoral College because the Senate is not the People Representatives like the House is. The Senate is the deliberative body that Represents the States. You have heard of States Rights and the Tenth Amendment, haven't you? The Senate keeps the House of Representatives in check so they do not run roughshod over minorities by flexing their Tyrannical Majority or succumbing to the high passions and trends of the moment; like trying to get rid of the Electoral College. Why don't you advocate for all Senators going up for election at the same time every six years? That way you can get the most popular majority at that moment to have control for six years and the President for only four. The Senate has been bastardized by the Seventeenth Amendment which took power away from the states by allowing the citizens of each state to elect Senators directly by popular vote instead of their being selected by state legislatures. Without the electoral college, a smidgen of counties (the large Urban areas) can determine who will be elected, ensuring that the candidates won't even need to visit those states with small populations. So basically, you're in favor of disenfranchising millions of American citizens who live in rural states. You want everyone's vote to count as it should, and yet you essentially took away their vote.
You Leftist get dumber every day.

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May 22, 2019 16:50:01   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Rose42 wrote:
Sure its valid. Who wants to have a few large cities be the deciding factor in how this country is governed? City folks are out of touch with the rest of the country.



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May 22, 2019 16:54:49   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
proud republican wrote:
You people are trying to re-write the Constitution!!!...And why???Just because your Bitch lost the election???


YUP! That's it exactly.

Suppose we get rid of the Electoral College; What would they do if Trump was to win again with a majority vote, but it turns out that if there had been an Electoral College the other party would have won?

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May 22, 2019 16:55:37   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
America 1 wrote:
So the framers of our constitution were just stupid.
They were intelligent enough to see this coming.
The majority vote only means a few states would forever be in control.


Not even states, a few cities!

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May 22, 2019 17:03:16   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
woodguru wrote:
The reason the electoral college was implemented has no valid reason today...

One person one vote


It's like playing three-dimensional chess with you. But you only know how to play Checkers! Do you people ever think anything through? Everything from the Left is a one-dimensional knee-jerk, one move at a time reaction because you don't plan your moves ahead of time. Your strategy is short-sighted and your brains are, well, just short.

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May 22, 2019 17:05:20   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
woodguru wrote:
Nothing Prager U is worth watching, it will fry your common sense


So you HAVE watched it!

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May 22, 2019 18:23:17   #
confused one
 
"This is getting serious. There is a civil war raging in the USA in case you have not noticed. Everything except shooting between combatants has begun."

There are three lit powder kegs that could explode at any moment. They are labeled Political, Economic and Racial. It really doesn't matter which one will explode first because the one that does will take the other two with it. No return to the status quo when peace is restored. We found out it doesn't work in the long run.
What might work is a loose confederation of States where people living in each State determine how they wish to live. Issues like abortion, the death penalty, affirmative action, fair housing, equal employment, welfare, immigration and taxes would be voted on by the the persons living in each State. No more one ruling fits all 50 States Supreme Court decisions. States Rights instead of a Federal Government ruling that leaves nearly half the population in disagreement and has led us to what we see today....at each others throats

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May 22, 2019 18:31:54   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
confused one wrote:
"This is getting serious. There is a civil war raging in the USA in case you have not noticed. Everything except shooting between combatants has begun."

There are three lit powder kegs that could explode at any moment. They are labeled Political, Economic and Racial. It really doesn't matter which one will explode first because the one that does will take the other two with it. No return to the status quo when peace is restored. We found out it doesn't work in the long run.
What might work is a loose confederation of States where people living in each State determine how they wish to live. Issues like abortion, the death penalty, affirmative action, fair housing, equal employment, welfare, immigration and taxes would be voted on by the the persons living in each State. No more one ruling fits all 50 States Supreme Court decisions. States Rights instead of a Federal Government ruling that leaves nearly half the population in disagreement and has led us to what we see today....at each others throats
"This is getting serious. There is a civil wa... (show quote)


Why rewrite Constitution just because hillary lost???Would you feel the same if she would of won and President Trump lost???..What if President would of said we need to do away EC,what would you say then???.....You people need to realize that President Trump won because he was a better candidate then she was,because people voted for him and not for her..Its time to stop her whining and go back to the woods or where ever she came from!!!

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May 22, 2019 18:47:45   #
Carol Kelly
 
dtucker300 wrote:
The founders warned us to be ever vigilant. Loss of freedom is only a generation away so the fight has to be renewed with each new generation. But the latest (millennials) don't seem to care. It's our own fault because we let the progressives take over the schools, and we didn't teach about the evils of communism and socialism after the break-up of the USSR.


Amen.

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May 22, 2019 18:49:29   #
Carol Kelly
 
proud republican wrote:
Why rewrite Constitution just because hillary lost???Would you feel the same if she would of won and President Trump lost???..What if President would of said we need to do away EC,what would you say then???.....You people need to realize that President Trump won because he was a better candidate then she was,because people voted for him and not for her..Its time to stop her whining and go back to the woods or where ever she came from!!!
Why rewrite Constitution just because hillary lost... (show quote)


Hilary came from a strong Republican family. Then she went to college and Law School. Any wonder?

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