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May 22, 2019 07:14:30   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
maximus wrote:
I totally agree except for one thing; I believe that MOST people are very capable of independent thought, but it takes something hitting them hard enough to "wake them up" and get them to pay attention. I also believe that this IS what's happening across the country, but the MSM isn't reporting it.


Perhaps I have become jaded. It is possible that I am confusing the responses and conversations on OPP with ordinary citizens. Far too many degrade (quickly I might add) into "Yo Momma" remarks. So far, this thread is absent of such remarks, and I am grateful.

I hope you are right and I am in error.

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May 22, 2019 09:33:21   #
bahmer
 
DaWg44 wrote:
I think if a President can be impeached for anything he/she did before being elected, short of major heinous crime, all Senators & Representatives should be quickly impeached for their crimes while in office, not just meaningless censure.

What happened to Statesmen, reckon I better say Statespersons? How did politician become a full time, extremely lucrative job? The original Senators & Representatives worked for nothing, got the job done quickly, & went back home for the year, no retirement plan, free healthcare, no security details, no covey of staff. There were no 10-20,000 page bills.

When one looks at what those people accomplished, compared to what our bunch has accomplished in the last 50 years, we are not getting our money’s worth for sure.
I think if a President can be impeached for anythi... (show quote)


Amen and Amen

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May 22, 2019 12:53:01   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Perhaps I have become jaded. It is possible that I am confusing the responses and conversations on OPP with ordinary citizens. Far too many degrade (quickly I might add) into "Yo Momma" remarks. So far, this thread is absent of such remarks, and I am grateful.

I hope you are right and I am in error.


I don't believe you're in error. Look at it this way...I get a kick out of tearing up fire ant hills. They got on me in Louisiana and I have disliked them ever since.
When you look at a fire ant hill, you don't see any ants. It's a placid scene. But take a stick and knock the top off of that hill and the ants come boiling out by the thousands. People are like the ants...one may think they are docile...but do something to disturb them and see what happens.
If Trump is impeached, I'm hoping that will be the stick in a fire ant hill.

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May 22, 2019 13:07:27   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
JW wrote:
I would have some problems with him if he was running for Pope. For President, the only material concern is his policies and he's doing that right... errr, Right.

If the electorate can be persuaded that we are a Democracy and they elect people ignorant enough to believe it, Socialism is a real possibility. However, they will still have to get past the structure of the Constitutional Republic we are governed by. That will require a major overhaul of the Constitution or an armed revolution.
I would have some problems with him if he was runn... (show quote)


The pope is more anti- pope then any other pope! The guy is off the rails!

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May 22, 2019 13:12:13   #
woodguru
 
Pennylynn wrote:

Now, I open this up for civil discussion. Whether you love, only tolerate, or simply hate President Trump does not matter. Consider if he is impeached..... what consequences will it bring for past and future presidents. Do we want a president that serves at the pleasure of Congress? And if he is impeached for "crimes" or "impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history; conviction results from whatever offense or offenses two-thirds of the other body considers to be sufficiently serious to require removal of the accused from office..." according to Congressman Gerald Ford... will anyone be eligible for the office? Everyone has a skeleton or two in their past, and how far in the past should they be investigated?

All opinions are welcome, but be civil!
br Now, I open this up for civil discussion. Whe... (show quote)


We cannot have a president who jams his unlawful views down his staff's throats, fires them when they refuse to do his unlawful bidding.

Congress has a constitutional obligation to hold the president accountable, they are not serving the people or country if they are so worried about elections that they refuse to hold a president accountable.

The skeletons in Trump's closet point to possible conflicts of interest with our enemy, Russia. Then when he abandons all norms, refuses to take Russian hacking and meddling seriously so as to keep Russia from interfering again, he puts our country in danger. Trump's administration has repeatedly gutted attempts to hold Russia accountable and beef up cyber security.

If Trump ever laundered money for Russians we need to know...loans, ditto, Kushner's conflicts with the Saudi's and Qatar look to have formed middle east policies to Kushner's financial benefit. Pressuring Qatar into hundreds of millions in "loans" or investing in a building that is upside down when he held their fate in his hands is not okay. The US supported blockade on Qatar was costing them billions a month, of course they paid him a few hundred million.

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May 22, 2019 13:16:31   #
woodguru
 
maximus wrote:
I don't believe you're in error. Look at it this way...I get a kick out of tearing up fire ant hills. They got on me in Louisiana and I have disliked them ever since.
When you look at a fire ant hill, you don't see any ants. It's a placid scene. But take a stick and knock the top off of that hill and the ants come boiling out by the thousands. People are like the ants...one may think they are docile...but do something to disturb them and see what happens.
If Trump is impeached, I'm hoping that will be the stick in a fire ant hill.
I don't believe you're in error. Look at it this w... (show quote)


If Trump is impeached I'm hoping the ignorant fire ants can start looking at why, the reasons, it would be a shame to wipe out ignorant and clueless people who's only error was believing in rhetoric and bullshit.

Read the case on obstruction, just McGahn does it in terms of criminal obstruction. No free passes for the wonderfulness of the job he did, he doesn't understand what obstruction is.

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May 22, 2019 13:31:11   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
woodguru wrote:
If Trump is impeached I'm hoping the ignorant fire ants can start looking at why, the reasons, it would be a shame to wipe out ignorant and clueless people who's only error was believing in rhetoric and bullshit.

Read the case on obstruction, just McGahn does it in terms of criminal obstruction. No free passes for the wonderfulness of the job he did, he doesn't understand what obstruction is.


If after 2 1/2 years of torrid investigating, YOUR man Mueller found no obstruction...is it possible that he missed something? Were there ANY way that Trump could have been charged, do you actually believe that Mueller just...didn't...do...it? I don't.
As for obstruction, what about Elijah Cummings telling a witness what to say under oath. It sure looks as though that's OK with you because he is a democrat.
So, it's NOT obstruction, but rather, what party one claims.

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May 22, 2019 13:39:04   #
woodguru
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Perhaps I have become jaded. It is possible that I am confusing the responses and conversations on OPP with ordinary citizens. Far too many degrade (quickly I might add) into "Yo Momma" remarks. So far, this thread is absent of such remarks, and I am grateful.

I hope you are right and I am in error.


Funny thing about real people, real trump supporters...I know quite a few, they have different degrees of what information sinks in. Several do not agree with the government interfering in abortion. Several say they think Trump is making a mistake refusing to comply with congress, they know that Obama's administration cooperated with endless GOP investigations that were far more partisan. Several say that if Trump can be proved to have obstructed and interfered with investigations he needs to be held accountable, here is where they waffle and bring in the what about Hillary or Obama deflection.

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May 22, 2019 15:47:42   #
teabag09
 
DaWg44 wrote:
I am having a hard time w/ the liberal/leftist/democrat “guilty until proven innocent” approach to everyone except their own. I despise the IRS for having that authority. I have been audited 3 times, threatened w/ fines, confiscation of property, & prison. I was right all three times, got more refund than I had on my return.

When damn political parties are more important than elected officials’ duty to honor their oath to our Country, we are in trouble.

I had an uncle, retired USMC colonel who told me when I was very young, “Boy, when seeing the flag waving, hearing The National Anthem, doesn’t get your attention, you need to take a good look at how you are living. No country is perfect, that is reserved for God, but this is your Country, you have been blessed to be born here, never let it down.” I never knew until he died how decorated he was. The thing that touched me most was carbon copies of hundreds of letters he wrote, in his own hand writing, to mothers, fathers, spouses, of Marines he lost & the letters he received in return.

I think he would have a hard time understanding what is happening now.
I am having a hard time w/ the liberal/leftist/dem... (show quote)


Sad to say, I'm so thankful that my parents, both ex military, are not alive to see what is going on in this country today. Mike

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May 22, 2019 16:59:22   #
woodguru
 
Let us get on with putting hearings before the american people so they can understand what Trump has done that demands impeachment.

Drag it out, let the elections be about the senate refusing to look at facts and doing their jobs.

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May 22, 2019 17:28:12   #
JW
 
woodguru wrote:
Funny thing about real people, real trump supporters...I know quite a few, they have different degrees of what information sinks in. Several do not agree with the government interfering in abortion. Several say they think Trump is making a mistake refusing to comply with congress, they know that Obama's administration cooperated with endless GOP investigations that were far more partisan. Several say that if Trump can be proved to have obstructed and interfered with investigations he needs to be held accountable, here is where they waffle and bring in the what about Hillary or Obama deflection.
Funny thing about real people, real trump supporte... (show quote)


"Obama's administration cooperated with endless GOP investigations that were far more partisan. "

It's not deflection if you raised the subject. The funny thing is the alternate reality you live in. Obama/Holder/Clinton not only refused all cooperation on Fast and Furious, Ben Ghazi, the IRS/Lerner scandal, just to name a few, but they made up lies and spent taxpayer money to promote those lies. Co-operation? Give me break... After all "at this point what possible difference can it make".

Please explain to me what can possibly be more partisan than the Democrat harassment of Trump. The Republicans never even asked to see Obama's birth certificate. After his 57 state remark, he should have been scrubbed as a candidate. Not a thing was said about a candidate for the Presidency too ignorant of the country to even know what makes it up. But, like Biden said, he was a "well spoken, clean black man". Just the right coverboy for the moronic agenda the Left is watching finally crumbling before their eyes.

Good riddance!

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May 22, 2019 19:21:15   #
woodguru
 
maximus wrote:
If after 2 1/2 years of torrid investigating, YOUR man Mueller found no obstruction...is it possible that he missed something? Were there ANY way that Trump could have been charged, do you actually believe that Mueller just...didn't...do...it? I don't.
As for obstruction, what about Elijah Cummings telling a witness what to say under oath. It sure looks as though that's OK with you because he is a democrat.
So, it's NOT obstruction, but rather, what party one claims.


The DOJ is adhering to an incorrect policy that they cannot indict a sitting president, Mueller couldn't indict, and Barr can't exonerate either. Barr wants to keep congress from doing the part they can do, impeach on the grounds that Trump needs to be indicted.

Read the frigging report, the section on obstruction has a dozen cases to be made, at least five of them that serve as stand alone obstruction prosecutions.

Mueller was constrained from indicting so he didn't, but he did list the evidence that he found in a way that congress is left to decide what to do in response. McGahn is a stand alone obstruction, his appearance to congress in a public setting can show the american people what Trump did and how solid it is.

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May 22, 2019 19:23:03   #
woodguru
 
JW wrote:
"Obama's administration cooperated with endless GOP investigations that were far more partisan. "

It's not deflection if you raised the subject. The funny thing is the alternate reality you live in. Obama/Holder/Clinton not only refused all cooperation on Fast and Furious, Ben Ghazi, the IRS/Lerner scandal, just to name a few, but they made up lies and spent taxpayer money to promote those lies. Co-operation? Give me break... After all "at this point what possible difference can it make".

Please explain to me what can possibly be more partisan than the Democrat harassment of Trump. The Republicans never even asked to see Obama's birth certificate. After his 57 state remark, he should have been scrubbed as a candidate. Not a thing was said about a candidate for the Presidency too ignorant of the country to even know what makes it up. But, like Biden said, he was a "well spoken, clean black man". Just the right coverboy for the moronic agenda the Left is watching finally crumbling before their eyes.

Good riddance!
"Obama's administration cooperated with endle... (show quote)


Hillary went through endless Benghazi hearings where nothing was ever found, did she ever say enough and refuse to go to a hearing.

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May 22, 2019 19:47:33   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
woodguru wrote:
We cannot have a president who jams his unlawful views down his staff's throats, fires them when they refuse to do his unlawful bidding.

Congress has a constitutional obligation to hold the president accountable, they are not serving the people or country if they are so worried about elections that they refuse to hold a president accountable.

The skeletons in Trump's closet point to possible conflicts of interest with our enemy, Russia. Then when he abandons all norms, refuses to take Russian hacking and meddling seriously so as to keep Russia from interfering again, he puts our country in danger. Trump's administration has repeatedly gutted attempts to hold Russia accountable and beef up cyber security.

If Trump ever laundered money for Russians we need to know...loans, ditto, Kushner's conflicts with the Saudi's and Qatar look to have formed middle east policies to Kushner's financial benefit. Pressuring Qatar into hundreds of millions in "loans" or investing in a building that is upside down when he held their fate in his hands is not okay. The US supported blockade on Qatar was costing them billions a month, of course they paid him a few hundred million.
We cannot have a president who jams his unlawful v... (show quote)


CONGRATULATIONS! You proved my earlier comment about people who are unable to think for themselves!

If you were able to understand my thread, it is not about Trump and what he may have done or his family, it is about impeachment. I asked some questions that not only affect President Trump, but all presidents. In other words, if the House impeaches based on "feelings" or just because they do not "like" him, could future presidents be tried for things that are not crimes or things that happened in their lives before they became a government officials or because they are unpopular among those who are sitting in the House? Do we want a president that serves at the pleasure of Congress? Do we want or need fearful presidents who, like James Buchanan, will not buck the establishment for the welfare of our nation? Do we want the House to wield the constitutional impeachment as a weapon or a tool of last resort?

Are we allowing the House to set precedence that we will regret?

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May 22, 2019 21:48:30   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
woodguru wrote:
If Trump is impeached I'm hoping the ignorant fire ants can start looking at why, the reasons, it would be a shame to wipe out ignorant and clueless people who's only error was believing in rhetoric and bullshit.

Read the case on obstruction, just McGahn does it in terms of criminal obstruction. No free passes for the wonderfulness of the job he did, he doesn't understand what obstruction is.


I believe you are the one who doesn't understand what obstruction is. Of course, that is just one of many things.

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