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May 21, 2019 18:39:32   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
archie bunker wrote:
I gagged when I did it, but I did.


What choice did we have? it was either him or The Hillarity. I voted for Gary Johnson, Libertarian because CA was already in Hillary's pocket.

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May 21, 2019 18:53:50   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
dtucker300 wrote:
What choice did we have? it was either him or The Hillarity. I voted for Gary Johnson, Libertarian because CA was already in Hillary's pocket.


My wife wrote in Ted Cruz. I felt like I had no choice, and a write in would be a waste of time.

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May 21, 2019 18:56:08   #
woodguru
 
Cadillac wrote:
The same situation exits for every Trump loss. It’s decided by an Obama or Clinton appointee.


except they are heavily using established law and precedent for their opinions...whereas Trump is bringing cases that have no solid legal ground to stand on. If you have lousy lawyers that don't pre qualify cases you are going to lose a lot of cases. Most presidents actually use excellent attorneys, who if they are telling the president a case is weak and likely to fail they don't try to make it, Trump is used to floating any idiotic legal challenge as a matter of obstruction.

Adhering to established laws is not bias, siding with the president when there are no legal grounds would be the bias.

Ypu have to ask yourself first whether there is a black and white rule of law that is being broken before taking a ridiculous position that judges supporting the rule of law are somehow biased against the president.

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May 21, 2019 18:59:04   #
woodguru
 
archie bunker wrote:
My wife wrote in Ted Cruz. I felt like I had no choice, and a write in would be a waste of time.


That as a reason I can understand, Hillary was the same choice for the other side.

For 2020 that does not work as we are seeing an unlawful president, so voting for him should not be an option for anyone.

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May 21, 2019 19:26:16   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
woodguru wrote:
That as a reason I can understand, Hillary was the same choice for the other side.

For 2020 that does not work as we are seeing an unlawful president, so voting for him should not be an option for anyone.


State the statutes that he is in violation of, or shut up.

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May 21, 2019 19:38:22   #
woodguru
 
archie bunker wrote:
State the statutes that he is in violation of, or shut up.


He is openly obstructing current congressional subpoenas, Mueller listed at least ten cases of obstruction, at least five of which any good prosecutor could easily get a conviction on.

Read the report on obstruction, even the section on McGahn, and you will be a little less ignorant.

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May 21, 2019 19:38:46   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
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Now, where have I seen this before?

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May 21, 2019 19:39:44   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
JediKnight wrote:
At the risk of sounding intelligent in view of your ignorance I never said there was anything "requiring" the president to release his taxes, I said :"all presidents for the last 50 year have done so" - hopefully that's something we will see in the near future. Contrary to what you may believe, a whole lot of information is contained in tax statements from people like Trump who has millions of dollars -and claims to make large charitable donations. And if you were correct that would be even more reason for him to release them and shut people like me up right? I noticed you didn't even touch the fact that Trump himself lied and said "he would release his taxes if he won the election." Surely just another of his 11,000 and counting lies like Mexico paying for the wall, defeating ISIS, and that great new health plan ready to go on day one. Either come correct or stay out of grown folks' conversations. Now, how do you feel?
At the risk of sounding intelligent in view of you... (show quote)


Not to worry, you didn't risk anything.

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May 21, 2019 19:46:44   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Has anyone else noticed/realized...

By Alexandra Hutzler

As Donald Trump continues to fight against a congressional subpoena from House Democrats for financial records, he will now have to face the Obama-nominated judge Republicans refused to consider for the Supreme Court.

Merrick Garland is currently the chief judge at the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, where President Trump’s legal battle will head next as his attorneys attempt to reverse the earlier court ruling in favor of Congress.
Garland was nominated to the Supreme Court by President Barack Obama in 2016 following the death of Associate Justice Antonin Scalia. But congressional Republicans stonewalled his nomination process until after the election, arguing that the incoming president should be the one to nominate a judge to the lifelong position.

After Trump was elected, he quickly nominated conservative Justice Neil Gorsuch to the high court. As a result, Garland resumed his position as chief judge of the nation’s most important federal appeals court, where he has served since 1997.

The irony of the situation was highlighted by legal analysts and political commentators on Twitter.

“I wonder who the chief judge is in the circuit where all of the fights between Congress and Trump will play out and whether he cares about partisan norm-busting. Oh that’s right...it’s some guy named Merrick Garland,” Matthew Miller, a former spokesman at the Department of Justice, tweeted.

Dena Grayson, a former Democratic candidate for Congress, wrote on Twitter: “LOL… guess who serves as the chief judge in the circuit court where the legal appeals between Congress and @realDonaldTrump will be heard?”

In late April, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell reignited the debate surrounding Garland’s failed nomination when he signed a T-shirt featuring the judge’s face with the quote “gone but not forgotten.”

On Monday, U.S. District Court Judge Amit Mehta ruled that Congress is well within its rights to request financial records as part of an investigation into potentially illegal conduct of a sitting president.

The House Oversight and Reform Committee has requested documents from Mazars USA, an accounting firm for the president and the Trump Organization. Democrats are looking for eight years of Trump’s financial records.

Shortly after Mehta’s ruling, Trump attorney Jay Sekulow said that his team “will be filing a timely notice of appeal to the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals.” Sekulow also called the ruling “totally wrong” and “ridiculous.”

In a tweet on Monday, Trump slammed Democrats for investigating his finances instead of “looking into all of the crimes committed by crooked Hillary and the phony Russia investigation?”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trumps-subpoena-appeals-now-head-to-merrick-garlands-court/ar-AABGHLT?ocid=spartandhp

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May 21, 2019 19:47:44   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
woodguru wrote:
He is openly obstructing current congressional subpoenas, Mueller listed at least ten cases of obstruction, at least five of which any good prosecutor could easily get a conviction on.

Read the report on obstruction, even the section on McGahn, and you will be a little less ignorant.


Once again, Mr. Expert.
Name the statutes that he is in violation of. Those would be laws, and they have numbers, and specifics.

Name them. Or shut up.

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May 21, 2019 19:51:44   #
son of witless
 
woodguru wrote:
That as a reason I can understand, Hillary was the same choice for the other side.

For 2020 that does not work as we are seeing an unlawful president, so voting for him should not be an option for anyone.


I am curious. did you bother to vote in your state's primary today ? I did. It was a curious thing that does not necessarily foretell anything. However, in my tiny little town, they had two terminals set up for voting. One for Republicans and one for Democrats. I did not know that at the time and I hate waiting in line for anything. In general elections you can use either terminal when it is empty.

Anywho, when I came in both voting terminals were occupied. There was a woman waiting for an empty terminal ahead of me. They told the both of us that we were number twos which I did not grasp at the time. So anyway, terminal one opened up, but the woman did not go over to it. Then I asked if I could use it, and that is when they explained that Terminal number one was only set up for Democrats. They said that if I really could not wait they could set it up for me to vote Republican, but I declined. Terminal Two opened up and the woman ahead of me voted.

It took her a fair amount of time to decide, no doubt because so many local offices were up for voting. Anyway, as I waited and people piled up behind me, the Democrat machine remained empty. I finally voted and left, and still no democrats. Probably means nothing at all.

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May 21, 2019 19:59:25   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
woodguru wrote:
He is openly obstructing current congressional subpoenas, Mueller listed at least ten cases of obstruction, at least five of which any good prosecutor could easily get a conviction on.

Read the report on obstruction, even the section on McGahn, and you will be a little less ignorant.


Congress does not have plenary power over the Executive Branch. Moreover, congress has no constitutional authority to investigate or subpoena a president's financial records or business transactions when he was a private citizen. Congress has only one option-impeachment. And the articles of impeachment must be based on actions the POTUS has taken WHILE IN OFFICE. If actions of the POTUS prior to taking office can be connected with sufficient legal proof directly to his actions while in office, these may be considered.

Bottom line, congress is not a law enforcement agency. Congress doesn’t enforce tax or business fraud laws. There are scores of executive branch agencies, federal and state, with that responsibility. What’s happening isn’t a constitutional crisis, it’s a HOR clown act.

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May 21, 2019 20:00:06   #
woodguru
 
slatten49 wrote:
Has anyone else noticed/realized...

By Alexandra Hutzler

As Donald Trump continues to fight against a congressional subpoena from House Democrats for financial records, he will now have to face the Obama-nominated judge Republicans refused to consider for the Supreme Court.

Merrick Garland is currently the chief judge at the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, where President Trump’s legal battle will head next as his attorneys attempt to reverse the earlier court ruling in favor of Congress.
Garland was nominated to the Supreme Court by President Barack Obama in 2016 following the death of Associate Justice Antonin Scalia. But congressional Republicans stonewalled his nomination process until after the election, arguing that the incoming president should be the one to nominate a judge to the lifelong position.

After Trump was elected, he quickly nominated conservative Justice Neil Gorsuch to the high court. As a result, Garland resumed his position as chief judge of the nation’s most important federal appeals court, where he has served since 1997.

The irony of the situation was highlighted by legal analysts and political commentators on Twitter.

“I wonder who the chief judge is in the circuit where all of the fights between Congress and Trump will play out and whether he cares about partisan norm-busting. Oh that’s right...it’s some guy named Merrick Garland,” Matthew Miller, a former spokesman at the Department of Justice, tweeted.

Dena Grayson, a former Democratic candidate for Congress, wrote on Twitter: “LOL… guess who serves as the chief judge in the circuit court where the legal appeals between Congress and @realDonaldTrump will be heard?”

In late April, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell reignited the debate surrounding Garland’s failed nomination when he signed a T-shirt featuring the judge’s face with the quote “gone but not forgotten.”

On Monday, U.S. District Court Judge Amit Mehta ruled that Congress is well within its rights to request financial records as part of an investigation into potentially illegal conduct of a sitting president.

The House Oversight and Reform Committee has requested documents from Mazars USA, an accounting firm for the president and the Trump Organization. Democrats are looking for eight years of Trump’s financial records.

Shortly after Mehta’s ruling, Trump attorney Jay Sekulow said that his team “will be filing a timely notice of appeal to the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals.” Sekulow also called the ruling “totally wrong” and “ridiculous.”

In a tweet on Monday, Trump slammed Democrats for investigating his finances instead of “looking into all of the crimes committed by crooked Hillary and the phony Russia investigation?”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trumps-subpoena-appeals-now-head-to-merrick-garlands-court/ar-AABGHLT?ocid=spartandhp
Has anyone else noticed/realized... br br By Alex... (show quote)


Sekulow needs to have his bar credentials looked at, a 41 page ruling accompanies this, if it gets to the supreme court they would have to intelligently challenge a well structured basis for this, my guess is it will be upheld by the appeals court, and the supreme court would refuse to see it because it's so well premised.

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May 21, 2019 20:06:02   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
woodguru wrote:
He is openly obstructing current congressional subpoenas, Mueller listed at least ten cases of obstruction, at least five of which any good prosecutor could easily get a conviction on.

Read the report on obstruction, even the section on McGahn, and you will be a little less ignorant.
I read it. No indictments issued for obstruction, therefore no prosecution for obstruction, therefore no possibility of conviction.

Intellectual Poverty on the Left

Arrogance is no substitute for intellectual humility.
by Ron Ross
May 21, 2019, 12:06 AM

You may have noticed that conservatives are blessed with an impressive lineup of intellectual heavyweights. Liberals have none, literally none. A few of those on the conservative side are Thomas Sowell, Victor Davis Hanson, Dennis Prager, Shelby Steele, Jordon Peterson, and Mark Levin.

Thomas Sowell is an economist, ex-Marine, Hoover Institution scholar, and the author of over 30 books. If you’ve never read one you don’t know what you’re missing. Two of his classics are Knowledge and Decisions and The Vision of the Anointed: Self-Congratulation as a Basis for Social Policy. He is well known for his many pearls of wisdom which he terms, “random thoughts on the passing scene.” Those now can be found on Twitter.

Jordon Peterson is a professor of psychology at the University of Toronto and Hillsdale College. He is best known for his book 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos. Several million copies have been sold. It was even a number-one bestseller in Sweden. If you read that book you will understand life better, and if you follow the rules you will be a better person. The book is nothing short of a masterpiece.

Jordan Peterson is possibly the wisest man alive. Fortunately for the rest of us he shares his wisdom through his books, interviews, podcasts, and seminars. Peterson is despised by the left. That says much more about them than him.

Besides his columns, daily radio show, and books, Dennis Prager is the founder and frequent contributor to Prager University. Prager U presents concise, thoughtful five-minute lectures on a weekly basis, and recently reached a milestone of two billion views. His latest book is The Rational Bible: Genesis.

Victor Davis Hanson is a former professor of classical Greek history and is also a scholar at the Hoover Institution. He writes columns usually once or twice a week and appears on Fox News about as often. The amount of logic and historical perspective he includes in his columns is mind-boggling. His latest book is The Case for Trump.

Mark Levin is founder of the Landmark Legal Foundation, the author of several best-selling books, host of a daily radio show and a weekly hour-long interview show on Fox News. His just published book, Unfreedom of the Press, is the number one best seller on Amazon. Levin never leaves you wondering what he believes.

Shelby Steele is another scholar at the Hoover Institution and the author of The Content of Our Character: A New Vision of Race in America, and Shame: How America’s Past Sins Have Polarized Our Country. His essays appear regularly on the Wall Street Journal op-ed pages.

You cannot name a single liberal who has anything approaching the above credentials or intellectual output. Why? There are a number of reasons.

Liberalism is fundamentally about feelings rather than thoughts. Also the left focuses on intentions, the right focuses on results and the ways by which results are achieved.

An advantage of making intentions your goal is that once you choose and announce them, you’re done. No need to follow up to see if your intentions were realized. No need to consider second or third order effects.

Leftism is about force, conservatism is about freedom and voluntary exchange. The use of force needs no theory or ideology. Anyone willing to rely on force to accomplish his or her objectives doesn’t really need to understand how the world works.

The mindset of the writers listed above reflects what is written in Ecclesiastes, “And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all things that are done under heaven… and I gave my heart to know wisdom and to know madness and folly.”

The foremost source of the left’s intellectual poverty is arrogance. Arrogance kills curiosity. Those on the left feel they already know all they need to know. They have nothing left to learn or to bother thinking deeply about. Ironically, they feel intellectually superior to conservatives.

A prerequisite for being a serious thinker is curiosity. It requires being curious about how things work — society, the economy, human nature, for example. Curiosity is the incentive for doing the hard work of study and serious thought.

The left also feels morally superior to any of our predecessors. Conservatives, on the other hand, possess a deep respect and reverence for the wisdom we’ve inherited from, for example, the Greeks, the Bible, Shakespeare, and the Founding Fathers.

Isaac Newton famously said, “If I have seen further than others, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.” Even Newton needed to know what those preceding him had discovered. On the left there’s no gratitude for the wisdom endowed to us by our forebears. Rather than gratitude there’s disdain, another reflection of their arrogance.

The opposite of arrogance is humility. As Isaac Newton also recognized, “What we know is a drop, what we don’t know is an ocean.”

A 2018 study reported in the Journal of Positive Psychology entitled “Links Between Intellectual Humility and Acquiring Knowledge” found that Intellectual humility (IH)

was associated with a variety of characteristics associated with knowledge acquisition, including reflective thinking, need for cognition, intellectual engagement, curiosity, intellectual openness, and open-minded thinking.… These links may help explain the observed relationship between IH and possessing more knowledge.

The entire study, by Elizabeth Krumrei-Mancuso, Megan Haggard et al., is worth reading.

As long as the left holds on to its arrogance it will never match the richness of the right’s intellectual offerings. It’s another reason why being a conservative is a whole lot more fun than being a liberal.

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May 21, 2019 20:14:55   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
JediKnight wrote:
At the risk of sounding intelligent in view of your ignorance I never said there was anything "requiring" the president to release his taxes, I said :"all presidents for the last 50 year have done so" - hopefully that's something we will see in the near future. Contrary to what you may believe, a whole lot of information is contained in tax statements from people like Trump who has millions of dollars -and claims to make large charitable donations. And if you were correct that would be even more reason for him to release them and shut people like me up right? I noticed you didn't even touch the fact that Trump himself lied and said "he would release his taxes if he won the election." Surely just another of his 11,000 and counting lies like Mexico paying for the wall, defeating ISIS, and that great new health plan ready to go on day one. Either come correct or stay out of grown folks' conversations. Now, how do you feel?
At the risk of sounding intelligent in view of you... (show quote)




Trump released what President Ford released. Education for you

http://www.taxnotes.com/presidential-tax-returns

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