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May 18, 2019 22:37:46   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
What if they are Muslim or Buddhist or Hindu?

And they are right?

Then we would be totally SOL
What if they are Muslim or Buddhist or Hindu? img... (show quote)




That would be correct.

The bible has those little things called prophecies. Not general but very specific prophecies.
Somewhere in the 1500 fulfilled. A mathematician calculated the odds of just 10 and came up with.... Cover the state of Texas a foot deep in silver dollars and mark one with a X. Then send a blind folded man into the state with only one chance to bend down and pick up the marked silver dollar.

The odds of 100..... Every one in the state of California picking the winning lottery ticket winning number by chance, every day for ten years...

500 may as well be uncalculable, since we are incapable of grasping the answer.

No other "faith" has fulfilled prophecies that "God" uses to make himself know and instruct his children.

I wish I gas more time to look up links of mathematicians equations, they are out there for anyone curious.

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May 18, 2019 23:10:18   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Intetesting article Slatten

And I agree...

A most excellent thread
Intetesting article Slatten img src="https://stat... (show quote)


5.1 Papa New Guinea 12 hours ago

That's 5

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May 19, 2019 01:32:57   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Intetesting article Slatten

And I agree...

A most excellent thread
Intetesting article Slatten img src="https://stat... (show quote)




Today there have been 5 earthquakes at Geysers california.
Yesterday and today 17 earthquakes at Geysers.
I said a swarm would strike lower magnitude in the next 48 hours and there would be 10 +/- earthquakes. It's just about impossible to forecast the total number when forecasting a swarm, but do far of the earthquakes location and estimated magnitude I'm 6 for 6 waiting on Northern Texas at drill points( oil drilling).

How am I doing so far?
The USGS says this isn't possible... Ha!

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May 19, 2019 01:48:07   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I would point out once again that the reason evolution doesn't explain " the trinity of time, space and matter which had to come into existence at exactly the same time" is that it doesn't deal with these things...

Chemistry doesn't explain them either....
Or psychology...
Or anthropology...
Sociology...
Biology...

Evolution deals with the divergence of life over time and in no way negates the Creator...

It may negate an interpretation of Genesis that requires all life to have been spontaneously created from nothing by a Higher Power... Luckily we are capable of recognizing that the fault lies not with God's word, but with our inability to comprehend it...

It is no threat to faith or God because it doesn't deal with either...

Nor does it deal with the Big Bang...

And there are plenty of athiest scholars who have responded to "time, space and matter"...

Hawking, bless him, was one who managed amazing work...

The argument that only the Bible explains "time, space and matter" is flawed....

Athiest: What created time, space and matter?
Believer: God.
Atheist: What created God?
Believer: God has always existed.

Believer: What created time, space and matter?
Atheist: It has always existed.
Believer: That doesn't make sense.


Take away... Faith doesn't explain anything... It requires a premise that is not demonstratebly true...

God bless you brother...
I would point out once again that the reason evolu... (show quote)


I have both been on the end of a miracle and witnessed a miracle. Problem with miracles is people that reject God flatly don't believe. What they will believe is it is all in one's head.

Kidneys do not regenerate period. My wife's kidney was atrophic (sp) or was dieing and shrunk to less than a 1/3 normal. She was left with "when to have it removed".
Later after that news and seeing the scans I had to take her to the emergency room because she was having a kidney stone. They did a scan to verify if it was or was not lodged. She asked how her dieing kidney looked and the doctor said "what do you mean" other than a kidney stone your kidneys look great.
All I know is I prayed for her alot and having many other spiritual experiences wasn't surprised in answered prayers. Believers can accept supernatural intervention but not possible for unbelievers regardless of science saying it is not possible.

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May 19, 2019 02:17:12   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
I have both been on the end of a miracle and witnessed a miracle. Problem with miracles is people that reject God flatly don't believe. What they will believe is it is all in one's head.

Kidneys do not regenerate period. My wife's kidney was atrophic (sp) or was dieing and shrunk to less than a 1/3 normal. She was left with "when to have it removed".
Later after that news and seeing the scans I had to take her to the emergency room because she was having a kidney stone. They did a scan to verify if it was or was not lodged. She asked how her dieing kidney looked and the doctor said "what do you mean" other than a kidney stone your kidneys look great.
All I know is I prayed for her alot and having many other spiritual experiences wasn't surprised in answered prayers. Believers can accept supernatural intervention but not possible for unbelievers regardless of science saying it is not possible.
I have both been on the end of a miracle and witne... (show quote)


Hi Jack...

Glad your wife was ok... I too know the power of prayer... And I believe in miracles...

Please don't get the idea that just because I accept the theory of evolution as true I am not a believer in the Lord our Father...

For me science brings us closer to God... But we each have our own path...

Pretty cool with the earthquake predictions...
I assume they are occurring fairly deep in the crust?

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May 19, 2019 02:49:14   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Not defied...

Evolution doesn't require that a lifeform change...


I agree in theory. But can evolution "stand still" for millions and millions of years? Can the environment be the same as it was 100 million years ago just for roaches and crocks? With the change in environment comes the change in the bug or creature, does it not?

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May 19, 2019 02:58:56   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
maximus wrote:
I agree in theory. But can evolution "stand still" for millions and millions of years? Can the environment be the same as it was 100 million years ago just for roaches and crocks? With the change in environment comes the change in the bug or creature, does it not?


Absolutely...

Think less in terms of environments, and more in terms of niches...
As long as the niche remains why would there be a "need" to adapt?

Both Crocs and Roachs are amazing creatures...
And I would point out that there are over a dozen vvarieties of crocodiles and God only knows how many variations of cockroach...
Even in these species we see evidence of evolution and its mechanisms...


Think about it this way...
An estimated 99.9% of all species that have ever existed have gone extinct...
Either their was one hell of a die off after the flood..(and that ark would have had to have been larger than any manmade craft ever)
Or something else happened...

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May 19, 2019 03:27:39   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Absolutely...

Think less in terms of environments, and more in terms of niches...
As long as the niche remains why would there be a "need" to adapt?

Both Crocs and Roachs are amazing creatures...
And I would point out that there are over a dozen vvarieties of crocodiles and God only knows how many variations of cockroach...
Even in these species we see evidence of evolution and its mechanisms...


Think about it this way...
An estimated 99.9% of all species that have ever existed have gone extinct...
Either their was one hell of a die off after the flood..(and that ark would have had to have been larger than any manmade craft ever)
Or something else happened...
Absolutely... br br Think less in terms of envir... (show quote)


Duh...I didit tink a dat!

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May 19, 2019 04:35:35   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Hi Jack...

Glad your wife was ok... I too know the power of prayer... And I believe in miracles...

Please don't get the idea that just because I accept the theory of evolution as true I am not a believer in the Lord our Father...

For me science brings us closer to God... But we each have our own path...

Pretty cool with the earthquake predictions...
I assume they are occurring fairly deep in the crust?


Indonesia have been deeper, I haven't seen any 300 + mile one's today.
Rule of thumb a deep earthquake of 6.0magnitude that is 350 miles deep below the plate, you can add a magnitude . Because it's hammering up on the plate from below the energy will produce 7.0 earthquakes that will spread along the plate like waves spawning earthquakes a equal distances apart. A shallow earthquake does the same except as the earthquakes spread out the gradually lose energy dropping a magnitude.
Example a deep earthquake west of America, in Indonesia will travel along the plate to Alaska, then south to Vancouver, Oregon, California to Texas and accross to Oklahoma, Iowa, Tennessee, up to main. By the time it gets to Southern Oregon /northern California coast (Juan d Fuca plate, just off the coast) it has lost energy down to a 4. 0 and up to a 5 0 then inland california 2.5-3.5, Texas 2 5-3.0 and can spread the lower energy accross the lower states then up to main. Conversely a shallow earthquake with origins in Indonesia, by the time it gets to northern California may be half or less of magnitude or lose energy and lose even more.
Earthquakes are not random. I can draw arrows on a globe of the world and 98%of the time earthquakes will follow the arrows. Also as an example earthquakes always find the thinner parts of the earth's crust. Ancient volcanoes pushed up through thinner areas of the crust or where man has drilled into the crust making perforations or weaknesses in the crust. Geysers california is a good example, ancient volcanoes and near by active volcanoes and man has drilled into the plate at these areas for steam to turn giant turbines that create electricity which can cause swarms or consistent earthquakes.
Forecasting isn't complicated once you understand these principles. These principles the USGS don't accept because they don't understand them, they reject the ability to forecast earthquakes because they can't, yet I randomly picked a few areas for you and with relative accuracy forecast 6 of seven areas within a given time frame and magnitude, still waiting for just one. Alaska is now on my watch list. Any given day I forecast earthquakes in 10-15 locations around the world and give watches to others for earthquakes in America.
It's good to have a go bag near your exit (not in a closet) the earth has been increasing earthquakes in frequency and magnitude over the last 20 years by about 2000 percent with the greater increase the last decade. Have water, cash, protein bars, keep the gas tank full, medications, and a place to go a few hundred miles away from cities in the event your in an area where large earthquakes could go off. I have several places other than state parks or national forest because in a really big event I'm not going to be a victim in a fena camp like those that did become victims of hurricanes and were not prepared for worse case seneros.
Which state do you live in, north, south, east or west
Western Oregon as an example would be cause to relocate.... Quickly. At any time a 9.0 - 10. 2 could let loose meaning from North of Seattle to Northern California anything west of interstate 5 is toast. Two factors with the first from 10 to 15 minutes of violent shaking, second a 100 - 500 foot high wall of water from the ensuing tsunami.
I'm more cautious in volcano forecasting because of limited understanding but with a lessor degree of accuracy do forecast them. If they were as frequent as earthquakes it would be easier for me to see patterns. With that said the U S. Is becoming more active and depending on where you live, you may or may not be at risk with the highest risk being ash fall unless your in blast range. Fortunately we have a great deal more notice of an eruption than we do an earthquake. For some it may be wise to relocate while property values are high.
Speaking of property value. The usgs is hiding earthquakes by not reporting them off the coast of Oregon and inland Oregon. The only time they will report them is if they are in higher population areas and a magnitude high enough that a high population would notice them. It's the governments way of not causing panic and crashing land values or local economies. This i can prove... The usgs is scandalous

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May 19, 2019 04:38:21   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Hi Jack...

Glad your wife was ok... I too know the power of prayer... And I believe in miracles...

Please don't get the idea that just because I accept the theory of evolution as true I am not a believer in the Lord our Father...

For me science brings us closer to God... But we each have our own path...

Pretty cool with the earthquake predictions...
I assume they are occurring fairly deep in the crust?



4.2 just happened in Alaska

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May 19, 2019 05:15:32   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Indonesia have been deeper, I haven't seen any 300 + mile one's today.
Rule of thumb a deep earthquake of 6.0magnitude that is 350 miles deep below the plate, you can add a magnitude . Because it's hammering up on the plate from below the energy will produce 7.0 earthquakes that will spread along the plate like waves spawning earthquakes a equal distances apart. A shallow earthquake does the same except as the earthquakes spread out the gradually lose energy dropping a magnitude.
Example a deep earthquake west of America, in Indonesia will travel along the plate to Alaska, then south to Vancouver, Oregon, California to Texas and accross to Oklahoma, Iowa, Tennessee, up to main. By the time it gets to Southern Oregon /northern California coast (Juan d Fuca plate, just off the coast) it has lost energy down to a 4. 0 and up to a 5 0 then inland california 2.5-3.5, Texas 2 5-3.0 and can spread the lower energy accross the lower states then up to main. Conversely a shallow earthquake with origins in Indonesia, by the time it gets to northern California may be half or less of magnitude or lose energy and lose even more.
Earthquakes are not random. I can draw arrows on a globe of the world and 98%of the time earthquakes will follow the arrows. Also as an example earthquakes always find the thinner parts of the earth's crust. Ancient volcanoes pushed up through thinner areas of the crust or where man has drilled into the crust making perforations or weaknesses in the crust. Geysers california is a good example, ancient volcanoes and near by active volcanoes and man has drilled into the plate at these areas for steam to turn giant turbines that create electricity which can cause swarms or consistent earthquakes.
Forecasting isn't complicated once you understand these principles. These principles the USGS don't accept because they don't understand them, they reject the ability to forecast earthquakes because they can't, yet I randomly picked a few areas for you and with relative accuracy forecast 6 of seven areas within a given time frame and magnitude, still waiting for just one. Alaska is now on my watch list. Any given day I forecast earthquakes in 10-15 locations around the world and give watches to others for earthquakes in America.
It's good to have a go bag near your exit (not in a closet) the earth has been increasing earthquakes in frequency and magnitude over the last 20 years by about 2000 percent with the greater increase the last decade. Have water, cash, protein bars, keep the gas tank full, medications, and a place to go a few hundred miles away from cities in the event your in an area where large earthquakes could go off. I have several places other than state parks or national forest because in a really big event I'm not going to be a victim in a fena camp like those that did become victims of hurricanes and were not prepared for worse case seneros.
Which state do you live in, north, south, east or west
Western Oregon as an example would be cause to relocate.... Quickly. At any time a 9.0 - 10. 2 could let loose meaning from North of Seattle to Northern California anything west of interstate 5 is toast. Two factors with the first from 10 to 15 minutes of violent shaking, second a 100 - 500 foot high wall of water from the ensuing tsunami.
I'm more cautious in volcano forecasting because of limited understanding but with a lessor degree of accuracy do forecast them. If they were as frequent as earthquakes it would be easier for me to see patterns. With that said the U S. Is becoming more active and depending on where you live, you may or may not be at risk with the highest risk being ash fall unless your in blast range. Fortunately we have a great deal more notice of an eruption than we do an earthquake. For some it may be wise to relocate while property values are high.
Speaking of property value. The usgs is hiding earthquakes by not reporting them off the coast of Oregon and inland Oregon. The only time they will report them is if they are in higher population areas and a magnitude high enough that a high population would notice them. It's the governments way of not causing panic and crashing land values or local economies. This i can prove... The usgs is scandalous
Indonesia have been deeper, I haven't seen any 300... (show quote)


Once again.. Cool....

When you get settled please PM me sone of the theory behind this....
It is fascinating.

I live in Northern China, Heilongjiang Province.
Not a lot of earthquakes here...

But interesting stuff

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May 19, 2019 05:54:38   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Once again.. Cool....

When you get settled please PM me sone of the theory behind this....
It is fascinating.

I live in Northern China, Heilongjiang Province.
Not a lot of earthquakes here...

But interesting stuff
Once again.. Cool.... br br When you get settled ... (show quote)



Will do for sure., I set you up to get your feet wet forecasting. China does have lots of earthquakes but likely not near you
North side of and in the Xinjang desert close to Russia. They go east to west into Iran, Afghanistan. Most of what to expect 4-5, with less frequent 6 and 7 magnitude unlike more frequent along the ring of fire. Russia and China are another place the usgs hides earthquake reporting for reasons I cannot guess so I tend to look at Russia reporting and the ESU. Every once in a while the usgs will report 4.0 and above but after years it has become apparent that they are Withholding reporting

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May 19, 2019 08:03:53   #
Morgan
 
4430 wrote:
True Christians won't be surprised ,however the folks that claim to be Christian but don't live it will be the one's that will be surprised


Yes, thank you for the clarity, that was the point.

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May 19, 2019 08:05:52   #
Morgan
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Will do for sure., I set you up to get your feet wet forecasting. China does have lots of earthquakes but likely not near you
North side of and in the Xinjang desert close to Russia. They go east to west into Iran, Afghanistan. Most of what to expect 4-5, with less frequent 6 and 7 magnitude unlike more frequent along the ring of fire. Russia and China are another place the usgs hides earthquake reporting for reasons I cannot guess so I tend to look at Russia reporting and the ESU. Every once in a while the usgs will report 4.0 and above but after years it has become apparent that they are Withholding reporting
Will do for sure., I set you up to get your feet w... (show quote)


Thank you Jack for your response before, I will look forward to your new thread also, save travels and be well.

One thing I have to say is that atheist, only believe in a three dimensional world and what they can see, feel, touch, smell, taste, where it is getting interesting is now our on technology can go further than that and give the fundamentalist atheists more data on what goes beyond those senses, they can detect different forms of energy. This is where I think we will find the intersection between the physical and spiritual world. Einstein himself who did believe in a higher power came to the conclusion, it is not about matter, it is about energy.

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May 19, 2019 08:06:46   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Slatten49 was replying to an early thread I had posted.

It goes like this.....

Evolution cannot explain the trinity of time, space and matter which had to come into existence at exactly the same time. 

Without space where do you put matter, without time when did matter enter space. 

The trinity Time. Space. Matter 

Each has its own trinity 

Space = Height, Depth, Length

Time= Past, Present, Future

Matter = Liquid, Gas, Solid

In the atheist argument God. How does a God in a closed system of time space and matter create the universe 

The answer God is not subject to time, space and matter but exist outside of the closed system first being outside created time, space and matter. 

Science cannot explain the required spontaneous origin of time, space and matter without a intelligent creator. 


I was replying to an evolution /Darwin post. In making the point of Time, space and matter. Most that believe in evolution do not believe in intelligent design, a creator, God. Those in the camp of believing in a creator and evolution are few in numbers compared to the big bang and billions years later here we are all by chance.
In bringing up time, space and matter, it is an impossible argument for those holding there is no God.
Not a single atheist scholar has attempted to respond to time, space, and matter.
The only explanation "ever" that I am aware of is the bible.
There are scientists that talk about but never able to explain it.
Slatten49 was replying to an early thread I had po... (show quote)

The Buddha said (I paraphrase) "Don't waste your time on trying to explain the unexplainable. There are far more important things to deal with ... like getting your act together here in the present time."

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