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May 18, 2019 20:17:21   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
America 1 wrote:
Oh media and they are the same,
Right.
More BS


Yes, I keep forgetting that you lack reading comprehension skills. since the context was relating to the story and the story was put out by the media who were claiming that a cart was a walker and someone listed in the article called the cart a walker and the comment was about "they" (them in this context) calling a cart a walker to trigger further outrage... Sorry if I don't take your lack of reading comprehension into consideration, you can call it absent mindfulness, it is in all actuality the fact that I just don't care enough about you to keep your remedial reading skills in mind.

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May 18, 2019 20:17:57   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
The cart was being used as a walker...

This is not spin....


How about we focus on the fact that we are all outraged at the actions of this disgusting woman, are rather stunned by the decision of the judge who set bail, and are saddened by the loss of life and the pain his friends and family are no doubt feeling...

May our Lord raise him up amongst His Angels and deliver his transgressor unto justice.... Amen


AMEN!

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May 18, 2019 20:19:19   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
The cart was being used as a walker...

This is not spin....


How about we focus on the fact that we are all outraged at the actions of this disgusting woman, are rather stunned by the decision of the judge who set bail, and are saddened by the loss of life and the pain his friends and family are no doubt feeling...

May our Lord raise him up amongst His Angels and deliver his transgressor unto justice.... Amen


Nice post CD.

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May 18, 2019 20:21:40   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
Pennylynn wrote:
America,

If I may, most of the media reports identical information. One reporter puts their story on line and the rest just copy and paste. Often investigation into a report does not happen. Every once in awhile you may get a journalist who goes out and asks questions but, that is rare. So, when one person called the cart a walker, others did not even question the fact. To my knowledge, only the Washington Post took the time... https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/05/15/video-shows-her-push-year-old-off-bus-nearly-two-months-later-shes-charged-his-death/?utm_term=.fe51b7e7d8df

In my opinion, what the 74 year old man used is immaterial. The facts, as shown in the video, are indisputable. Bishop placed both hands on the back of Mr. Fournier and shoved hard and this led to his death.
America, br br If I may, most of the media report... (show quote)


I agree with you. Yes, all too often everyone just reports what everyone else has reported without bothering to examine the facts. They either copy the article as a whole and give credit to the originator or they skim for the facts presented in the article and write their own article without bothering to confirm the facts. When journalists do bother looking into it further to confirm the facts, that is to be commended.

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May 18, 2019 20:25:16   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Yes, I keep forgetting that you lack reading comprehension skills. since the context was relating to the story and the story was put out by the media who were claiming that a cart was a walker and someone listed in the article called the cart a walker and the comment was about "they" (them in this context) calling a cart a walker to trigger further outrage... Sorry if I don't take your lack of reading comprehension into consideration, you can call it absent mindfulness, it is in all actuality the fact that I just don't care enough about you to keep your remedial reading skills in mind.
Yes, I keep forgetting that you lack reading compr... (show quote)


Please continue not caring enough about me.
Best news today.

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May 18, 2019 20:26:53   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
The cart was being used as a walker...

This is not spin....


How about we focus on the fact that we are all outraged at the actions of this disgusting woman, are rather stunned by the decision of the judge who set bail, and are saddened by the loss of life and the pain his friends and family are no doubt feeling...

May our Lord raise him up amongst His Angels and deliver his transgressor unto justice.... Amen


Nice try, I know you are just trying to defuse the situation but... I recognized it as a cart immediately, I know what a cart like that is like, I can tell you, it would make for a very poor walker.

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May 18, 2019 20:43:07   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Nice try, I know you are just trying to defuse the situation but... I recognized it as a cart immediately, I know what a cart like that is like, I can tell you, it would make for a very poor walker.



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May 18, 2019 20:43:45   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
I agree with you. Yes, all too often everyone just reports what everyone else has reported without bothering to examine the facts. They either copy the article as a whole and give credit to the originator or they skim for the facts presented in the article and write their own article without bothering to confirm the facts. When journalists do bother looking into it further to confirm the facts, that is to be commended.


Thank you. This is the reason I read as many "versions" of a report as I can find. Of course photos and videos help the most in small details.

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May 18, 2019 20:46:38   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Nice try, I know you are just trying to defuse the situation but... I recognized it as a cart immediately, I know what a cart like that is like, I can tell you, it would make for a very poor walker.


Most people, like myself, cared more about the substance of the report. And, just to let you know, Kyle is OPP's peacemaker whenever possible. Most of the time he is very affective.

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May 19, 2019 04:31:43   #
Seth
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Obviously you didn't bother reading "Of course walker or cart doesn't change the fact that what she did was absolutely wrong."

As for "murder", I really doubt her intent was to kill, involuntary manslaughter by all means, man slaughter, why not? Reckless endangerment resulting in death, certainly but murder? You are reaching there.


Wow, you can even read minds long distance? Maybe you should contact her lawyer and tell him you're willing to appear as an expert witness.

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May 19, 2019 04:54:53   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
Seth wrote:
Wow, you can even read minds long distance? Maybe you should contact her lawyer and tell him you're willing to appear as an expert witness.


Don't have to read minds. Just use common sense. Someone wishing to kill another, will typically do something to someone that one can reasonably assume will likely lead to that person's death. Pushing one off of a stationary vehicle and not into some form of traffic will not typically cause death. Perhaps you should have read up on the facts of the case, you may have discovered that he died over a month later. He didn't even go to the hospital until 2 days after the incident.

If I were interested in killing someone and didn't mind if people knew I was involved in their death, I would likely do it in such a way that it WOULDN'T take over a month for them to die. The slow death over time route is if you are trying to be sneaky about it. Faster death is more immediately gratifying.

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May 19, 2019 05:23:50   #
Seth
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Don't have to read minds. Just use common sense. Someone wishing to kill another, will typically do something to someone that one can reasonably assume will likely lead to that person's death. Pushing one off of a stationary vehicle and not into some form of traffic will not typically cause death. Perhaps you should have read up on the facts of the case, you may have discovered that he died over a month later. He didn't even go to the hospital until 2 days after the incident.

If I were interested in killing someone and didn't mind if people knew I was involved in their death, I would likely do it in such a way that it WOULDN'T take over a month for them to die. The slow death over time route is if you are trying to be sneaky about it. Faster death is more immediately gratifying.
Don't have to read minds. Just use common sense. S... (show quote)


Except that I've personally encountered attempted murder victims who survived, one of whom was shot in the head, another who was thrown from a third floor balcony, still another who was stabbed. You might be surprised at the ineptitude of some amateur murderers.

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May 19, 2019 06:24:25   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Don't have to read minds. Just use common sense. Someone wishing to kill another, will typically do something to someone that one can reasonably assume will likely lead to that person's death. Pushing one off of a stationary vehicle and not into some form of traffic will not typically cause death. Perhaps you should have read up on the facts of the case, you may have discovered that he died over a month later. He didn't even go to the hospital until 2 days after the incident.

If I were interested in killing someone and didn't mind if people knew I was involved in their death, I would likely do it in such a way that it WOULDN'T take over a month for them to die. The slow death over time route is if you are trying to be sneaky about it. Faster death is more immediately gratifying.
Don't have to read minds. Just use common sense. S... (show quote)


I don't think that she cared if she had killed him as evidenced by her actions right after she shoves him. Because she had been cursing and nasty to everyone on the bus and a history of violence, she may be mentally ill. Not having talked with her, I can not be certain. But, that may be her defense. Nevada has some screwed up laws and this woman may get off scot-free. If she claims she was "insane" when she murdered Mr. Fournier, then she can be acquitted, no bail, no jail, no damages. Her "insanity" may not still exist at the time of the trial, but if she can reasonably prove that she was insane and she feared Mr. Fournier, then the jury must acquit. Should a jury acquit her then the judge will then order the defendant into protective custody for a mental health evaluation. If the court then finds that there is no "clear and convincing" evidence that the defendant still has a mental illness, he/she will be released. Otherwise, the defendant will be committed until further notice. And then there is the "mentally ill" plea she can enter, it the same as pleading guilty, but the jail time is short and for the most part is spent in an institution. Nevada is one of the few states that allow both defenses. It will be interesting to follow this story.

Second thing, although Mr. Serge Fournier refused immediate treatment. However, he was admitted to the hospital that night (Washington Post, CNN, NBC).

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May 19, 2019 06:49:28   #
Seth
 
Pennylynn wrote:
I don't think that she cared if she had killed him as evidenced by her actions right after she shoves him. Because she had been cursing and nasty to everyone on the bus and a history of violence, she may be mentally ill. Not having talked with her, I can not be certain. But, that may be her defense. Nevada has some screwed up laws and this woman may get off scot-free. If she claims she was "insane" when she murdered Mr. Fournier, then she can be acquitted, no bail, no jail, no damages. Her "insanity" may not still exist at the time of the trial, but if she can reasonably prove that she was insane and she feared Mr. Fournier, then the jury must acquit. Should a jury acquit her then the judge will then order the defendant into protective custody for a mental health evaluation. If the court then finds that there is no "clear and convincing" evidence that the defendant still has a mental illness, he/she will be released. Otherwise, the defendant will be committed until further notice. And then there is the "mentally ill" plea she can enter, it the same as pleading guilty, but the jail time is short and for the most part is spent in an institution. Nevada is one of the few states that allow both defenses. It will be interesting to follow this story.

Second thing, although Mr. Serge Fournier refused immediate treatment. However, he was admitted to the hospital that night (Washington Post, CNN, NBC).
I don't think that she cared if she had killed him... (show quote)


This is true about Nevada.

Many years ago, before starting my own business, I worked as a security shift supervisor in a casino in "the Silver State." One evening, a female former employee walked in and slapped the glasses off one employee, then stabbed a female guest in the arm with a pencil.

We arrested her on two counts of battery, and when the police arrived, it was an officer we didn't know from outside the casino district, itself unusual.

He knew the subject, and told me he wanted to cite her and release her. I was insistent that he transport her, and he then explained that he had responded because he was familiar with her case -- she was a mental outpatient whom, according to the State of Nevada, was not responsible for her actions. He told me that as soon as he dropped her off at the jail and departed, they would release her anyway. That's what they do in Nevada.

Since I didn't want her coming right back in and assaulting anyone else, I asked him to drive her to the other side of town and drop her off. He agreed and drove her away.

That's Nevada. What can one say, except that that's the state that spawned Harry Reid.

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May 19, 2019 06:57:27   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Seth wrote:
This is true about Nevada.

Many years ago, before starting my own business, I worked as a security shift supervisor in a casino in "the Silver State." One evening, a female former employee walked in and slapped the glasses off one employee, then stabbed a female guest in the arm with a pencil.

We arrested her on two counts of battery, and when the police arrived, it was an officer we didn't know from outside the casino district, itself unusual.

He knew the subject, and told me he wanted to cite her and release her. I was insistent that he transport her, and he then explained that he had responded because he was familiar with her case -- she was a mental outpatient whom, according to the State of Nevada, was not responsible for her actions. He told me that as soon as he dropped her off at the jail and departed, they would release her anyway. That's what they do in Nevada.

Since I didn't want her coming right back in and assaulting anyone else, I asked him to drive her to the other side of town and drop her off. He agreed and drove her away.

That's Nevada. What can one say, except that that's the state that spawned Harry Reid.
This is true about Nevada. br br Many years ago, ... (show quote)


Nevada has some real messed up laws, there is a defense for murder called "intoxicated." I guess Nevada still sees themselves as wild west. The further I did into their laws, the more bizarre I find them.

BTW, my husband worked in a casino as pit boss after he retired and I was transfered to Range Squadron at Nellis AFB. He told me some of the things that happened on his shift.

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