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Hey Julian Castro, PeterS, Kevyn and other progressives. A Solution to a Worker Shortage.
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Apr 25, 2019 14:45:53   #
jeff smith
 
Kevyn wrote:
Forcing American women who do not in any way want to have children to carry unwanted pregnancy to term is pure evil, and unconstitutional.


NO IT IS PURE MURDER AND WHOREDUM! as a very old saying goes , " if you can't do the time don't do the crime" . so , if you can't raise your kids don't whore around and get pregnant !

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Apr 25, 2019 14:54:10   #
jeff smith
 
Kevyn wrote:
Adults having sex is a criminal activity in your mind? Fortunately that has not been the case in the US for decades. Taxpayers do not pay a dime for abortion procedures although they should as part of any health coverage. Women do not use abortion as a form of birth control they use it to end an unwanted pregnancy when birth control fails.


no adults having sex outside of marriage is a sin .

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Apr 25, 2019 14:59:48   #
Carol Kelly
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
That's a completely asinine statement .............. Goober.

If the women don't want to have children they should remain celibate.

Only pregnant women have abortions.

So if they " do not in anyway want to have children " then why did they allow themselves to get pregnant ?

We absolutely should 'force' any woman who gets pregnant, to deliver a live healthy child.

Even a rape victims child can be raised to be a productive American.


AMEN!!!

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Apr 25, 2019 14:59:56   #
jeff smith
 
RT friend wrote:
I don't think women will accept arbitrary decisions being made about disallowing early term abortions, but most reasonable people accept an independent human life begins somewhere between three to four months after conception.

Ideals don't blend in well with biological constraints ideals are a demand for perfection, and biology is practical demand for recognition of perfect in one way is a detriment for another.

Best practice, procedures and processes are hard won concessions over ignorance and malpractice, we all accept invasive medical treatment if necessary and that acceptance comes with trust and belief in the procedures and processes we undergo to remain healthy.

Having a term limit of gestation after which abortion becomes a criminal procedure is just one such biological constraint.

Which must mean that life as was understood by precedential ideals which contributed to our understanding of family rights including individual members rights within the family are and should be protected by legal statutes and enforcement so hard won established demands that became commonly accepted should still be considered socially proper by individuals the same as invasive medical procedures are accepted.

Having a baby is an invasive medical procedure.


I don't think women will accept arbitrary decision... (show quote)

no , having a baby is the result of having unprotective sex . not a medical procedure . where do you come up with this braindead garbage ?

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Apr 25, 2019 15:00:31   #
Carol Kelly
 
jeff smith wrote:
NO IT IS PURE MURDER AND WHOREDUM! as a very old saying goes , " if you can't do the time don't do the crime" . so , if you can't raise your kids don't whore around and get pregnant !


Agreed!

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Apr 25, 2019 15:10:32   #
jeff smith
 
JediKnight wrote:
Kevyn is probably talking about that part in the Preamble that says: "All men (mankind) were created equal with unalienable rights...among these are the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." I'm guessing, but Kevyn is probably also considering the fact that 'childbirth' is between the woman, her doctor, and ultimately God. What law gives anyone else the right to tell a woman what to do with her body regarding childbirth Bahmer? The Bible teaches: 1) judge not -lest ye be judged, and 2) follow the law of the land. Therefore, we should accept a woman's right to choose because it is legal, and any judgement of that woman is between her and God. If you have an issue with that, then why not work to change the law? In the meantime, consider your privilege to take ED medication, choose what car you wish to drive, what food you like to eat, what clothes you wear and how you present yourself as "rights" protected by the
Constitution. period.
Kevyn is probably talking about that part in the P... (show quote)

unknown of what you are getting at . the car I drive the clothes I wear or anything else I choose to do as long as I do not infringe on anothers right is not the same as murdering a helpless child . plus where is the rights of the father of that child ? my ex asked me one time after having 2 children . I want to get an abortion . I was dumbfounded , after several moments of disbelief , I told her " you kill my children I kill you". to hell with ALL you satanic worshipers ! LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION !

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Apr 25, 2019 15:25:03   #
Sew_What
 
jeff smith wrote:
unknown of what you are getting at . the car I drive the clothes I wear or anything else I choose to do as long as I do not infringe on anothers right is not the same as murdering a helpless child . plus where is the rights of the father of that child ? my ex asked me one time after having 2 children . I want to get an abortion . I was dumbfounded , after several moments of disbelief , I told her " you kill my children I kill you". to hell with ALL you satanic worshipers ! LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION !
unknown of what you are getting at . the car I dr... (show quote)


No, you are responsible for your own actions. A fetus doesn't know the difference.

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Apr 25, 2019 15:32:22   #
Carol Kelly
 
bahmer wrote:
That is right they have birth control pills for fairly reasonable prices as well as the morning after pills so there should be no reason for a woman to get and remain pregnant in today's society. Especially if she doesn't want to get pregnant.


Amen. Direct and right on point. This country seems to be hung up on sex. Everything is sex, transgenders, homosexual rights, provision of birth control pills to college students, and if it isn’t sex, it’s race. We’ve all gone nuts.

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Apr 25, 2019 15:38:14   #
Sew_What
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
Amen. Direct and right on point. This country seems to be hung up on sex. Everything is sex, transgenders, homosexual rights, provision of birth control pills to college students, and if it isn’t sex, it’s race. We’ve all gone nuts.


I think the whole country hung up about "illegals". You're the only hung up about sex.

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Apr 25, 2019 15:46:18   #
jeff smith
 
Sew_What wrote:
No, you are responsible for your own actions. A fetus doesn't know the difference.


if per chance you are saying a fetus has no feeling then , you are nothing more than a LIAR!

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Apr 25, 2019 18:00:06   #
JediKnight
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
I have answered asinine questions such as this from people like you for years. Your tired cliché ridden arguments are boring. Read my other responses. I don't have time for such hackneyed challenges.


Certainly what many would deem a "cowardly" response -but I expected no less. Thank you.

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Apr 25, 2019 19:43:24   #
Brad1040
 
Kevyn, when was the last time someone murdered a tattoo?
I have never met a smart lib.

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Apr 25, 2019 20:03:58   #
son of witless
 
Kevyn wrote:
Here is a solution for you, if you don’t want an abortion don’t have one. It is your choice not mine the governments or that of anyone else but you. Think about it like a tattoo, I do not like tattoos so I do not get one this does not give me the right to preclude you from getting one. You can have an image of a penis tattooed on your forehead and as stupid as that might be it is your choice not mine. The only role the government has is to make sure the tattoo parlor you go to operates in a safe sanitary manner. Carrying a pregnancy to term is many times greater a threat to a woman’s health and life than an first trimester abortion, to force a rape victim to go through an unwanted pregnancy is nothing short of monstrous. What kind of sick warped person thinks that women somehow should be forced to bear America children?
Here is a solution for you, if you don’t want an a... (show quote)


What kind of sick warped person thinks it is okay to kill children just because they are undeveloped and inside another person ? When a baby is born, getting up in the middle of the night to care and feed that baby is a threat to the health of the Mother, but if she neglects or murders the baby, she will be subject to prosecution.

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Apr 25, 2019 20:13:49   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
jeff smith wrote:
no , having a baby is the result of having unprotective sex . not a medical procedure . where do you come up with this braindead garbage ?


I didn't say it was, I said becoming pregnant can be seen as an invasive medical procedure if you are the woman who is impregnated regardless of how it happened, this is the attitude she will certainly adopt, because she is unwilling she will undoubtedly feel there was a medical invasive procedure which happened to her.

I think after three months of becoming pregnant, the woman has to accept that society has overruled her rights by leglisative enactment and prescribe that it has become her social duty to become a mother and continue with the pregnancy.

Some people if not most people world wide believe the Malthusian doctrines are "braindead" but long ago in my life I saw in them an integration individual rights within the limits of biological opportunity developed by an free thinker not a dogmatic Theologian.

His ideas were in accordance with contemporary opinions about human procreation and the reality of an ultimate population ceiling which is coming to fruition 300 years after he conceived the relationship with the abstinence quality of procreation not withstanding.

In 1978 when I was studying economics the expected population was considered to peak at 27 billion some said over 35 billion, that's when free trade was being launched in opposition to protectionism, now it's protectionism being launched in opposition to free trade, I was opposed then and opposed now.

Mainly the reason I'm.opposed to protecrionisn now is because AI is now able to be factored in with the 5G roll out on the way very soon this will further inhibit protectionism which won't be either able to be accomplished or sustained where it still exists.

AI will favour economies of scale and primary produce and some resources will become in short supply due to Climate Change and ecological degradation, so in my view the population ceiling will "need to" be reduced to 6 to 7 billion.

With 200k yearly immigration Australia's population woul double in slightly less than a generation, Australia's population doubled from 10 to 20 million from 1958 to 2004 now it's expected to double becoming 40 million by 2048 at a lower rate of immigration.

From 2004 to 2048 is 44 years a generation is every 30 years but that included a low base starting point Australia reached 25 million people in 2018 so I think it will be 50 million in one generation that's 2048, that's only my reckoning, based on immigration increasing a bit to help pay my pension, and AI won't help Australia very much, in my opinion we all have to accept less consumer products being available this to many means a lower standard of frivolous living, - good job well all be better off.

Also while the proportion of residents born overseas is being reduced because of the nature of the increase being proportionally derived from a geometric progression ratio the Cultural Similarities will become more distinct, if going in the right direction, this Will Be a Good Thing.

Thomas Malthus was a preacher who lived just before Victorian times and it's hard to imagine we're ever going back to those rigid social ethical standards, to me individual choice in more important in what I believe than it was to Malthus, to me it's God against the individual, you can't order people not to abuse God's gift to humanity, I mean of course you can, but I can guarantee you're going to come up short.



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Apr 25, 2019 20:43:26   #
Hug
 
Abortion is murder. Murder is evil. Case closed

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