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Apr 24, 2019 09:10:12   #
badbob85037
 
permafrost wrote:
If it has been changed to a felony, please provide a link. i can find nothing that indecates it has been changed.. proposed, yes.. but not yet changed..

https://www.cnn.com/2017/02/24/politics/undocumented-immigrants-not-necessarily-criminal/index.html

Under federal law, it is a crime for anyone to enter into the US without the approval of an immigration officer -- it's a misdemeanor offense that carries fines and no more than six months in prison.

While Trump has often focused on immigrants who commit violent felonies while in the US, studies show those are actually the exception -- immigrant crime rates in several instances are actually lower than native US-born populations (with some exceptions).
So although there are more than 11 million unauthorized immigrants living in the US, they haven't all committed a crime just by being in the country.
If it has been changed to a felony, please provide... (show quote)


26% of the US prison system is populated by illegals.

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Apr 24, 2019 10:08:19   #
The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Invaders is what they are...
Immigrants, refugees and migrants all have legal routes...
Only criminals want to enter undetected...
If they were true refugees they would have welcomed the militia and the opportunity to claim asylum when ICE showed up..

Yep.... Two thousand years and counting and not a single illegal Mexican...
Had an interesting conversation with a history teacher about Why the wall failed in the Ming dynasty and allowed the invasion of the Manchurians, leading to the Qing dynasty...
The short and sweet of it was "don't use foreigners to police your wall"
Invaders is what they are... br Immigrants, refug... (show quote)


Couldn’t agree more.

Not a single Mexican!? Any Canuckustanians?

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Apr 24, 2019 10:10:58   #
The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island
 
JoyV wrote:
Here is the main alteration. Note misdemeanors can't have prison terms longer than 6 months.

SECTION 101. SHORT TITLE.

This title may be cited as the “Zero Tolerance for Illegal Entry Act”.

SEC. 102. CHANGE IN CRIMINAL PENALTIES.

Section 275 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1325) is amended—

(1) by striking “not more than 6 months,” and inserting “not less than 1 year and 1 day,”; and

(2) by adding at the end the following:

“(e) Nothing in this section shall be construed as limiting the authority of the Secretary of Homeland Security, in the Secretary’s sole unreviewable discretion, to determine whether an alien described in clause (ii) of section 235(b)(1)(B) shall be detained or released after a finding of a credible fear of persecution (as defined in clause (v) of such section).”.
Here is the main alteration. Note misdemeanors ca... (show quote)


Thank you for breaking it down, Joy. I enjoyed the links, let’s hope we can get some stiffer penalties.

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Apr 24, 2019 10:12:16   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
The Critical Critic wrote:
Couldn’t agree more.

Not a single Mexican!? Any Canuckustanians?


More and more each year...

And too many of them are from nations other than mine

It is rather alarming...


But off to bed...

Take care and play nice

Your friend, Kyle

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Apr 24, 2019 10:12:29   #
The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island
 
Texas Truth wrote:
If he lived on the border and had children and had a constant threat day and night he may be thinking things over differently. He probably lives in a protected area and it doesn't adversely affect him directly. I live in the Northeast and the Liberals up here are just out of their minds. Like my neighbor for instance she is 80 years old dyed-in-the-wool liberal Democrat and this conversation came up. And I asked her directly would you be willing to take two to four people into your home and let them live there and pay for everything they need? Guess what her answer was?NO! I ask why? She said there was plenty of room in other states where they can live where people have the money to pay for it. I said that is totally hypocritical. Her response was I don't like being called a hypocrite. And I says then don't be one. This conversation was around the picnic table with three of her sons present two of them agreed with me and the gay one agreed with her so I asked him how come you're not willing to help pay for these immigrants? Maybe just one. And he agreed with his mother saying there's plenty of room in other states where other people can pay for them. I said congratulations Jerry you're a hypocrite just like your mother. I just don't understand the gall of some people the way they think people like Permadud. As far as I'm concerned these militias are doing an incredible service to this country because they are short-handed along the border helping to prevent illegal drugs terrorists from coming over the Border. One of my biggest worries were these tunnels where it is possible that other than Mexicans namely Muslims that could have possibly brought a suitcase nuke into this country or maybe more than one. Makes me wonder why our lawmakers do what they do. Is our country being held hostage? Do we have nukes in certain cities? With the promise of detonation if we do not obey there demands. What is happening is a slow creeping cancer that is speeding up exponentially. If people do not understand this they need a serious check up from the neck up. Thank you for your critical responses and concerns. A pleasure speaking with you. This is Texas truth on post standing by...
If he lived on the border and had children and had... (show quote)


Absolutely agree. The pleasure is always mine, Texas Truth, thank you.

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Apr 24, 2019 10:14:13   #
The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island
 
Texas Truth wrote:
Auto convict again replace you with he.


Lol, no worries my friend, I understood where you were coming from. It’s seems autocorrect needs a filter.

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Apr 24, 2019 10:15:35   #
The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island
 
JoyV wrote:
I stand corrected. I think the main difference is the laws weren't being enforced and the zero tolerance order was to enforce at the maximum allowed. In fact Obama ordered CBP agents on the border to NOT detain those who hadn't committed another crime on US land, even known past violent criminals. Now instead of CBP visiting me to warn they are following a known violent illegal so I might want to hunker down, they apprehend all they find.

I certainly hope the Zero Tolerance Act becomes law.
I stand corrected. I think the main difference is... (show quote)


Me too!

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Apr 24, 2019 10:19:22   #
The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
And I appreciate that he tries to keep it light with his memes...

I enjoy some them as well. As long it’s not the ones from that brain rot website occupy democrats, nothing but a propaganda site.

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Apr 24, 2019 10:46:25   #
The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
More and more each year...

And too many of them are from nations other than mine

It is rather alarming...


But off to bed...

Take care and play nice

Your friend, Kyle
More and more each year... br br And too many of... (show quote)


Rest well, my friend.

I always play nice.

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Apr 24, 2019 10:57:26   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
Obama's spending was mostly in East Tx along the Rio Grand where a wall was impractical at best. He caused lots of grief to land owners whose properties were divided for an ineffective wall. Ineffective because 1) each property owner had to have access to both parts of their property, so lots of unmanned gates were involved, and 2) the wall was waaaay too low. Where it was needed and wanted, he instead built vehicle barriers.

And no the numbers of illegals didn't actually drop under Obama, only the number of apprehensions did. The reason why it looks like they dropped is he ordered CBP to NOT apprehend illegals who had not been observed doing any other crime. It was during his years that I would get regular warnings from CBP to stay out of sight as a known dangerous illegal they were following north along the river would be passing through shortly. They weren't allowed to apprehend, only watch.

Now if you want evidence of the success of a wall o our southern border, just look at the one separating Ciudad Juarez and El Paso. Murder rates in El Paso made a huge drop when the wall went up. In 2018 there were 28 murders for the year. In Ciudad Juarez, they are higher than ever.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/mexico/2018/08/06/juarez-murders-reach-nearly-200-month-mexicos-new-president-prepares-face-violence
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https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/feb/08/donald-trump/no-border-barrier-did-not-drive-down-crime-el-paso/

No, border barrier did not drive down crime in El Paso, Texas
By Miriam Valverde on Friday, February 8th, 2019 at 2:35 p.m.

The border city of El Paso, Texas, used to have extremely high rates of violent crime — one of the highest in the country, and considered one of our nation's most dangerous cities," Trump said during his Feb. 5 State of the Union address. "Now, immediately upon its building, with a powerful barrier in place, El Paso is one of the safest cities in our country. Simply put, walls work and walls save lives."

That wasn’t the first time Trump hailed El Paso’s barrier as a solution to crime. And it might not be the last: Trump plans to be in El Paso on Feb. 11 for a campaign rally.

But the claim is not true.

To start, El Paso has not been considered one of the nation’s most dangerous cities. Its violent crime rate has been significantly below the national average compared to cities of similar size. Even more, the violent crime rate went up — not down, as Trump claimed — after the construction of a border fence in the region.

Crime data shows El Paso was not "one of our nation's most dangerous cities"

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Apr 24, 2019 11:02:58   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
wolffy wrote:
So, according to you, even though people here commit more crimes than illegals, you want even more crimes!! Don't you think that if we get rid of illegals our overall crime rate will go down?!!




I think you may want to restate your post..

getting rid of every illegal, if it were possable, would have little effect on our overall crime rate..



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Apr 24, 2019 16:47:51   #
DogLover99
 
permafrost wrote:
I know this will surprise all of the trump supporters, but I am all for secure borders and all those I know who have an opinion on the border also want security.. It is the foolish wall which most people do not want..

we have been over that issue, so I will say no more.

but taxes are the process with which we pay, a small amount each, so our govt will do what the need requires and individuals will not be required to impoverish themselves for any needed policy..

It also seems we could cut cost a lot by cutting unneeded govt agencies..

Now ICE, born of the dropping from the Patriot act, with no assigned work or function, over the years it has been given work done originally by other agencies.. it also seems ICE is not near the top of any rating on performance..

so consider, giving the jobs back to the original agencies and removing ICE from the problem altogether..
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I've heard illegal aliens cost the tax payers from 200 hundred to 300 billion dollars a year. How about we get rid of that cost? Deport them all and make them come in the proper way like everyone else.

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Apr 24, 2019 17:02:59   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
DogLover99 wrote:
I've heard illegal aliens cost the tax payers from 200 hundred to 300 billion dollars a year. How about we get rid of that cost? Deport them all and make them come in the proper way like everyone else.




Give this a thought... first the costs of 200/300 billion is total BS.. not even close..

Now, if it was close and was real, it is about the cost we have now.. with the illegals/emigrants in place..

how would a wall stop that cost.. if it did work, it would stop the number from growing. However it would have no effect on the cost which is claimed on those living with us..



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Apr 24, 2019 18:03:25   #
JoyV
 
permafrost wrote:
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/feb/08/donald-trump/no-border-barrier-did-not-drive-down-crime-el-paso/

No, border barrier did not drive down crime in El Paso, Texas
By Miriam Valverde on Friday, February 8th, 2019 at 2:35 p.m.

The border city of El Paso, Texas, used to have extremely high rates of violent crime — one of the highest in the country, and considered one of our nation's most dangerous cities," Trump said during his Feb. 5 State of the Union address. "Now, immediately upon its building, with a powerful barrier in place, El Paso is one of the safest cities in our country. Simply put, walls work and walls save lives."

That wasn’t the first time Trump hailed El Paso’s barrier as a solution to crime. And it might not be the last: Trump plans to be in El Paso on Feb. 11 for a campaign rally.

But the claim is not true.

To start, El Paso has not been considered one of the nation’s most dangerous cities. Its violent crime rate has been significantly below the national average compared to cities of similar size. Even more, the violent crime rate went up — not down, as Trump claimed — after the construction of a border fence in the region.

Crime data shows El Paso was not "one of our nation's most dangerous cities"
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statement... (show quote)


So how do you explain the fact that on one side of the wall there are approximately 200 murders a week, and the other there are less than 25 a year? Before the wall, murder rates were the same on both sides. The wall was completed in 2009. The murders in El Paso in 2010 were a whopping 5 for the year. The left wants to say there is no proof the wall was the reason for the drop, or that murder rates were falling everywhere. But on the Mexican side of the wall, murder rates have continued to rise!!!!

So if it's not the wall making the difference, what IS????

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Apr 24, 2019 18:08:44   #
JoyV
 
permafrost wrote:
Give this a thought... first the costs of 200/300 billion is total BS.. not even close..

Now, if it was close and was real, it is about the cost we have now.. with the illegals/emigrants in place..

how would a wall stop that cost.. if it did work, it would stop the number from growing. However it would have no effect on the cost which is claimed on those living with us..


That makes no sense. If the amount we have now is costing us however many billions, more will obviously cost more billions. If a dike breaks and flooding starts, do you say plugging the break in the dike won't get rid of the water that already came through, so lets not fix the dike.

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