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Apr 23, 2019 16:54:35   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
When I said those who want them should pay, I was not referring to taxes. Those who want to prevent border enforcement, and cry that "they only want a better life"; should dip into their own pockets to support them!


I know this will surprise all of the trump supporters, but I am all for secure borders and all those I know who have an opinion on the border also want security.. It is the foolish wall which most people do not want..

we have been over that issue, so I will say no more.

but taxes are the process with which we pay, a small amount each, so our govt will do what the need requires and individuals will not be required to impoverish themselves for any needed policy..

It also seems we could cut cost a lot by cutting unneeded govt agencies..

Now ICE, born of the dropping from the Patriot act, with no assigned work or function, over the years it has been given work done originally by other agencies.. it also seems ICE is not near the top of any rating on performance..

so consider, giving the jobs back to the original agencies and removing ICE from the problem altogether..



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Apr 23, 2019 16:58:58   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Texas Truth wrote:
And they are all liberals.




The Republican party, business end, has a long history of supporting cheap labor by hook or by crook.

many of the lax laws and contradictions stem from those wishing for immigrants, legal or illegal to provide that cheap worker..



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Apr 23, 2019 17:47:03   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
permafrost wrote:
The Republican party, business end, has a long history of supporting cheap labor by hook or by crook.

many of the lax laws and contradictions stem from those wishing for immigrants, legal or illegal to provide that cheap worker..


Hey Perm, Oregon is a sickeningly prog state that follows California like a bewildered child.

Democrat controlled and these bastards are the most black hearted opportunistic labor predators in the nation.

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Apr 23, 2019 18:31:45   #
Texas Truth Loc: Behind Enemy Lines
 
permafrost wrote:
The Republican party, business end, has a long history of supporting cheap labor by hook or by crook.

many of the lax laws and contradictions stem from those wishing for immigrants, legal or illegal to provide that cheap worker..


Dude just take a deep breath wake up and realize Democrats suck. They give prostitutes a good name. And a more honest profession.

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Apr 23, 2019 18:43:07   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
For JoyV and Permi....

Thank you both...

It has been a pleasure to wake up this morninG and folLow such an excellent discussion (can't even call it a debate)...

Clear arguments, logical reasoning, taking the time to read and digest what has been said and the links provided, admittance of misunderstandings, attempts to address the concerns of each other's viewpoints... And civility...

My hat off to the both of you...

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Apr 23, 2019 18:56:58   #
JoyV
 
permafrost wrote:
I know this will surprise all of the trump supporters, but I am all for secure borders and all those I know who have an opinion on the border also want security.. It is the foolish wall which most people do not want..

we have been over that issue, so I will say no more.

but taxes are the process with which we pay, a small amount each, so our govt will do what the need requires and individuals will not be required to impoverish themselves for any needed policy..

It also seems we could cut cost a lot by cutting unneeded govt agencies..

Now ICE, born of the dropping from the Patriot act, with no assigned work or function, over the years it has been given work done originally by other agencies.. it also seems ICE is not near the top of any rating on performance..

so consider, giving the jobs back to the original agencies and removing ICE from the problem altogether..
I know this will surprise all of the trump support... (show quote)


Many on the left say they want border security yet agree with the funding cuts for CBP and ICE and oppose a wall. Saying you want border security when you oppose spending even a fraction of the money Obama did is disingenuous.

No wall.
Reduced funding for CBP.
Eliminate ICE.

So just how do you plan to secure the border?

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Apr 23, 2019 19:53:07   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
byronglimish wrote:
Hey Perm, Oregon is a sickeningly prog state that follows California like a bewildered child.

Democrat controlled and these bastards are the most black hearted opportunistic labor predators in the nation.




Darn, I was hoping no one would bring the small point up ever..

as a kid living far up in NW Minnesota, we would often visit my uncle who farmed wheat in the Red River valley.

they also grew spuds in the area, could make money doing that..

Trucks brought in both Indians and Mexicans to pick them by hand..

Do not know the pay, but do know when they were done, they were all alone, no ride home or anywhere.
camped by the side of the field and told they were often not paid the last payday..

so even in the wonderful state of Minnesota, their existed those black hearted opportunistic labor predators..

SAD..

But hay, I seems Oregon is in good order and looking good in every way..

good for you.. Lucky dickens you...



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Apr 23, 2019 19:58:05   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Texas Truth wrote:
Dude just take a deep breath wake up and realize Democrats suck. They give prostitutes a good name. And a more honest profession.




Would that be the orange tinged prostitutes??


We as a group have given so much for so long, it does make me sad that you say such thing about my fine and loved fellow Democrats...

But, as we are pure of heart and have a mission to accomplish. we must carry on..

Exercise and book time.. tomorrow..



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Apr 23, 2019 19:59:40   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
For JoyV and Permi....

Thank you both...

It has been a pleasure to wake up this morninG and folLow such an excellent discussion (can't even call it a debate)...

Clear arguments, logical reasoning, taking the time to read and digest what has been said and the links provided, admittance of misunderstandings, attempts to address the concerns of each other's viewpoints... And civility...

My hat off to the both of you...




why thank you very much, CD...

I want to ask you, does the Easter bunny come to Canada?? Or China???

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Apr 23, 2019 20:07:44   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
Many on the left say they want border security yet agree with the funding cuts for CBP and ICE and oppose a wall. Saying you want border security when you oppose spending even a fraction of the money Obama did is disingenuous.

No wall.
Reduced funding for CBP.
Eliminate ICE.

So just how do you plan to secure the border?



For starters the Eliminate ICE is only a thought.. the govt will never cut it no matter which party is holding power..

Bush and Obama put a lot of $$ into the border.. crossing have decreased during all of that period.
So I would say more of the same.. that would have mean no cuts to funding of CBP..

Once more, I do not think a wall is a good idea or needed..



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Apr 23, 2019 22:05:06   #
JoyV
 
permafrost wrote:
For starters the Eliminate ICE is only a thought.. the govt will never cut it no matter which party is holding power..

Bush and Obama put a lot of $$ into the border.. crossing have decreased during all of that period.
So I would say more of the same.. that would have mean no cuts to funding of CBP..

Once more, I do not think a wall is a good idea or needed..


Obama's spending was mostly in East Tx along the Rio Grand where a wall was impractical at best. He caused lots of grief to land owners whose properties were divided for an ineffective wall. Ineffective because 1) each property owner had to have access to both parts of their property, so lots of unmanned gates were involved, and 2) the wall was waaaay too low. Where it was needed and wanted, he instead built vehicle barriers.

And no the numbers of illegals didn't actually drop under Obama, only the number of apprehensions did. The reason why it looks like they dropped is he ordered CBP to NOT apprehend illegals who had not been observed doing any other crime. It was during his years that I would get regular warnings from CBP to stay out of sight as a known dangerous illegal they were following north along the river would be passing through shortly. They weren't allowed to apprehend, only watch.

Now if you want evidence of the success of a wall o our southern border, just look at the one separating Ciudad Juarez and El Paso. Murder rates in El Paso made a huge drop when the wall went up. In 2018 there were 28 murders for the year. In Ciudad Juarez, they are higher than ever.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/mexico/2018/08/06/juarez-murders-reach-nearly-200-month-mexicos-new-president-prepares-face-violence

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Apr 23, 2019 22:18:34   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
permafrost wrote:
Are you claiming 26 million refugees? or 26 million illegals??

No matter, you numbers are wrong in any event..

I do not care if you copy and paist..

I am only looking for the link on misdemeanor to felony..


love that pic

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Apr 24, 2019 03:23:48   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
permafrost wrote:
why thank you very much, CD...

I want to ask you, does the Easter bunny come to Canada?? Or China???


Canada...Yep...

China... Nope...

(rabbits are food over here )

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Apr 24, 2019 04:28:57   #
Texas Truth Loc: Behind Enemy Lines
 
permafrost wrote:
Would that be the orange tinged prostitutes??


We as a group have given so much for so long, it does make me sad that you say such thing about my fine and loved fellow Democrats...

But, as we are pure of heart and have a mission to accomplish. we must carry on..

Exercise and book time.. tomorrow..


I didn't want to come down like a ton of bricks but I do want to bring light to the fact that Democrats suck. Republicans suck too. I think the Democrats you're referring to are all gone now. The party of JFK was well needed by America but the CIA had other plans for him. I hope you do realize both parties have been compromised being infiltrated by socialist Communist whores. It always seems both parties don't do what they say they're going to do. They always do the opposite. I've been paying strong attention to this for the last 30 years and nothing changes. Weak-minded people do not see this they believe the words of these great people. They believe all this bloviated crap like Bernie. Like Hillary. Like the bushes. This country no longer needs people like the clintons or the bushes. It is time to bury those people in the past. Nobody represents us anymore. They all work for the United Nations now. I say it this time the throw them all out. Both political parties and the United Nations. I seek truth and I can smell bulshit from a mile away. Have a nice day.

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Apr 24, 2019 04:57:02   #
wolffy
 
permafrost wrote:
If it has been changed to a felony, please provide a link. i can find nothing that indecates it has been changed.. proposed, yes.. but not yet changed..

https://www.cnn.com/2017/02/24/politics/undocumented-immigrants-not-necessarily-criminal/index.html

Under federal law, it is a crime for anyone to enter into the US without the approval of an immigration officer -- it's a misdemeanor offense that carries fines and no more than six months in prison.

While Trump has often focused on immigrants who commit violent felonies while in the US, studies show those are actually the exception -- immigrant crime rates in several instances are actually lower than native US-born populations (with some exceptions).
So although there are more than 11 million unauthorized immigrants living in the US, they haven't all committed a crime just by being in the country.
If it has been changed to a felony, please provide... (show quote)


So, according to you, even though people here commit more crimes than illegals, you want even more crimes!! Don't you think that if we get rid of illegals our overall crime rate will go down?!!

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