bggamers Loc: georgia

try over 26 million and growing in leaps and bounds and No dont know how to clip and past

JoyV

Immigrants don't cross the border illegally. Trump wasn't talking about immigrants. Immigrants apply for entry and follow the rules to get here. Such people are rarely rule and law breakers. Illegal aliens start off breaking the law by entering illegally. Many may never be violent. But the very fact that they didn't respect the law to get here shows they have less respect for law and order in the first place. But there are far more violent criminals than the left wing media want you to know about. The cartels don't just let anyone through their staked out territory willy-nilly. The cartels must get something for the privilege. Either they pay highly or they are working for or otherwise doing something of value to the cartels.

As for which groups of people entering our country fall into which category, depends on if you are looking at entry requests at ports of entry vs crossing illegally between ports of entry. I have only two or three times a year seen what appear to be families treking up past my place. Yet each week I see 3 or more groups heading north. These are either heavily laden men with large packs accompanied by guards with automatic weapons, or groups of young women, girls and boys accompanied by armed guards with automatic weapons.

Get the image of simple hard working families fleeing danger coming through the cartel controlled territory due to the cartels being great humanitarians who feel sorry for their plight. Does that even make sense? No. You are being duped by the elites who benefit from the numbers and chaos loose borders create.

JoyV

Those who want them here should be the ones to pay. Why should those of us who have to deal with their destruction and risk being shot, have to pay taxes for more of the same? (Got to repair our orchard fence AGAIN!!!! No shots taken at my dogs this time.) Why should the hard working middle class have to support not only our own needy citizens but those here illegally competing for their jobs?

JoyV

Yes there is legislation pending. But for now, there is a DOJ order from the former AG Sessions approved by Trump. The order has been called the Zero Tolerance policy. The pending bill is very similarly called the Zero Tolerance Act.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/attorney-general-announces-zero-tolerance-policy-criminal-illegal-entry

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/6318/text

DogLover99

How many of these immigrants are you willing to take into your home, support them, then allow them to bring more family members into your home that you can support??? I'll bet you say none! Then why do you think it is OK for the tax payers to support them. Nation wide an average of 66% of all immigrants legal and illegal are on government support programs. 72% in the communist state of California.
Typical libtard. Not in my back yard and no it's not my responsibility to pay, it's someone else's responsibility. Libtards always like spending other peoples moneyl

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Are you claiming 26 million refugees? or 26 million illegals??

No matter, you numbers are wrong in any event..

I do not care if you copy and paist..

I am only looking for the link on misdemeanor to felony..

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Some of your information seem correct..

but I am looking for a very simple answer the the level of misdemeanor/felony.

can not find it so must be no change..''

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

if you can find a way in which I can be selective on where my taxes are spent I will adore you for ever..

In present day, as always, I pay my full taxes with the expectation that I am paying for the things I want as well as some thing which are not my choice..
But clearly, I do not personally need to do what my taxes are targeted todo..

It is part of the allegiance I owe my country..
An oath made long ago..

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

As I understand it and the information supports, trump made no change in the misdemeanor/felony law.

this is as reported over and over in the legitimate press and while pending legislation may change the law, it has not yet done so..

https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/08/16/qa-trump-administrations-zero-tolerance-immigration-policy#q3

The Trump administration has claimed it is merely enforcing existing laws. What exactly are the crimes being prosecuted? How long have these offenses been federal crimes?
The current “zero-tolerance” policy specifically refers to referrals for immigrants committing “illegal entry,” or entering the US without authorization. Illegal entry is a federal misdemeanor, punishable by up to six months in prison, with a subsequent conviction for illegal entry punishable by up to two years.

The other most commonly prosecuted immigration offense is “illegal reentry,” entering the US without authorization after previously being deported, which is a federal felony. The maximum penalty is 20 years, applicable if the defendant reenters after a prior conviction for an “aggravated felony” (a term covering both relatively minor and nonviolent offenses such as shoplifting or working with a fake ID, as well as serious, violent crimes). Lower maximum sentences apply to reentry after prior convictions for lesser felonies and misdemeanors.

Both offenses have been federal crimes since the early 20th century but the maximum sentence has increased over the years. Since 2015, there have also been efforts in the US Congress to create higher penalties, including mandatory minimum sentences, for these crimes.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Dog,

This comment has been covered about 50 times, including on this thread.. go back and look..

also your number are wrong by magnitudes..

If you are going to launch BS, at least try using numbers that may be accurate..

JoyV

I stand corrected. I think the main difference is the laws weren't being enforced and the zero tolerance order was to enforce at the maximum allowed. In fact Obama ordered CBP agents on the border to NOT detain those who hadn't committed another crime on US land, even known past violent criminals. Now instead of CBP visiting me to warn they are following a known violent illegal so I might want to hunker down, they apprehend all they find.

I certainly hope the Zero Tolerance Act becomes law.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Yes, President Obama decision to concentrate on felony criminal and give the lower law offender a near pass, was open to criticize.. I can see both some good and some bad in the policy..

But as the current law goes way back.. for got the date.. but was 60/70 years or so..

It is very much past the time for sorting the laws and making things workable..

I think that is my biggest gripe about the immigrant problem.. Or maybe not..

JoyV

The 11.4 million figure was from the 2012 DHS report. But a Yale research team, who were trying to prove there were LESS than 11 million illegals, wound up with 22.1 million. https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/yale-study-finds-twice-as-many-undocumented-immigrants-as-previous-estimates

And the actual study.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0201193

JoyV

When I said those who want them should pay, I was not referring to taxes. Those who want to prevent border enforcement, and cry that "they only want a better life"; should dip into their own pockets to support them!

Texas Truth Loc: Behind Enemy Lines

And they are all liberals.