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Apr 22, 2019 20:44:30   #
EN Submarine Qualified Loc: Wisconsin East coast
 
Enjoy. In addition, I read yesterday that during the lifetime of a wind generator it will never produce enough power to make up for that it required to make it not to mention dismantling it and disposing of it.

ver since the advent of electric cars, the REAL cost per mile has never been discussed. All you ever heard was the mpg in terms of gasoline, with not a mention of the cost to run it.

This is the first article I've ever seen and tells the story pretty much as I expected it to.

Electricity has to be one of the least efficient ways to power things yet it's being shoved down our throats. Glad somebody finally put engineering and math to paper.

At a neighbourhood BBQ I was talking to a neighbour, a BC Hydro executive.
I asked him how that renewable thing was doing. He laughed, then got serious
If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, he pointed out, you had to face certain realities. For example, a home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp service.

The average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On our small street (approx. 25 homes),the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than three houses with a single Tesla charge. For even half the homes to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly over-loaded. This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles. Our residential infrastructure cannot bear the load.

So as our genius elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are we being urged to buy these things and replace our reliable, cheap generating systems with expensive, new windmills and solar cells, but we will also have to renovate our entire delivery system! This latter "investment" will not
be revealed until we're so far down this dead end road that it will be presented with an 'OOPS...!' and a shrug.

If you want to argue with a green person over cars that are eco-friendly, just read the following.

Note: If you ARE a green person, read it anyway. It's enlightening.
Eric test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors and he writes,

"For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine." Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and the 16 kWh battery is approximately 270 miles. It will take you 4.5 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.

According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kWh of electricity.
It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned, so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kWh. 16 kWh x $1.16 per kWh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery.

Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine that gets only 32 mpg.
$3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.10 per mile. The gasoline powered car costs about $20,000 while the Volt costs $46,000-plus.

So the Canadian and American Governments wants loyal citizens not to do the maths, but simply pay three times as much for a car, that costs more than seven times as much to run, and takes three times longer to drive across the country.

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Apr 22, 2019 21:29:16   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Thanks for including us Canucks in this...
The idea is a grand and noble one...
All dreams are...

Reality is a bit more like a kick in the ass...

Would like to see more research into biofuels..

Think that might be the route to go...

For the foreseeable future anyways..

Great post

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Apr 22, 2019 21:39:50   #
Roland womack
 
This is another example of the government not telling us the hole story.

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Apr 22, 2019 22:24:49   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
EN Submarine Qualified wrote:
Enjoy. In addition, I read yesterday that during the lifetime of a wind generator it will never produce enough power to make up for that it required to make it not to mention dismantling it and disposing of it.

ver since the advent of electric cars, the REAL cost per mile has never been discussed. All you ever heard was the mpg in terms of gasoline, with not a mention of the cost to run it.

This is the first article I've ever seen and tells the story pretty much as I expected it to.

Electricity has to be one of the least efficient ways to power things yet it's being shoved down our throats. Glad somebody finally put engineering and math to paper.

At a neighbourhood BBQ I was talking to a neighbour, a BC Hydro executive.
I asked him how that renewable thing was doing. He laughed, then got serious
If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, he pointed out, you had to face certain realities. For example, a home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp service.

The average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On our small street (approx. 25 homes),the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than three houses with a single Tesla charge. For even half the homes to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly over-loaded. This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles. Our residential infrastructure cannot bear the load.

So as our genius elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are we being urged to buy these things and replace our reliable, cheap generating systems with expensive, new windmills and solar cells, but we will also have to renovate our entire delivery system! This latter "investment" will not
be revealed until we're so far down this dead end road that it will be presented with an 'OOPS...!' and a shrug.

If you want to argue with a green person over cars that are eco-friendly, just read the following.

Note: If you ARE a green person, read it anyway. It's enlightening.
Eric test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors and he writes,

"For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine." Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and the 16 kWh battery is approximately 270 miles. It will take you 4.5 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.

According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kWh of electricity.
It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned, so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kWh. 16 kWh x $1.16 per kWh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery.

Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine that gets only 32 mpg.
$3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.10 per mile. The gasoline powered car costs about $20,000 while the Volt costs $46,000-plus.

So the Canadian and American Governments wants loyal citizens not to do the maths, but simply pay three times as much for a car, that costs more than seven times as much to run, and takes three times longer to drive across the country.
Enjoy. In addition, I read yesterday that during ... (show quote)


And you didn't even mention how inefficient ethanol is in gasoline, in addition to screwing up your car and engine. Another energy sham foisted on us by the greenie weenies.
Nevertheless, against my better judgment, I am having solar panels installed on my roof because our local electric company (San Diego Gas & Electric) crooks are now charging over $0.50/KWh between 4:00 and 9:00 pm thanks to our crooked CA State Public Utilities Commission. The rates just keep going up and up.

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Apr 22, 2019 22:39:48   #
karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!
 
This Is A Little Off-Topic
But I Have To Let You Know

I Saw A Report Were Self-Driving Cars Will Be So Common
There Will Be Parks Were You Go To Experience
Taking The Wheel Of Your Own Car

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Apr 22, 2019 22:46:08   #
2quick4u Loc: Somewhere in central Tx...
 
EN Submarine Qualified wrote:
Enjoy. In addition, I read yesterday that during the lifetime of a wind generator it will never produce enough power to make up for that it required to make it not to mention dismantling it and disposing of it.


Your first sentence is the big elephant in the room no one want's to talk about. I remember reading about how when hybrid cars hit the scene, and they did some honest environmental/cost analysis, they discovered the break even point (for the damage already done to the atmosphere producing the batteries they require) was around 136,000 miles... Then you could start realizing a true net loss in environmental damage (vs a conventional internal combustion engine). If the car (or battery) didn't make it to this 'break even' point, then you have to consider this particular car (or part) just made things worse. I was working in the parts dept of a dealership when the hybrids came out and we replaced quite a few batteries (at around $3000-3500 each). The cars did run good though...

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Apr 22, 2019 22:51:01   #
karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!
 
dtucker300 wrote:

Nevertheless, against my better judgment, I am having solar panels installed on my roof
No
This Is Actually A Great Decision
Solar Panels For Heat, Electricity
And A Private Turbine System
Are Incredibly Efficient For Private Homes
In San Diego, If Your House Faces N/S
You've Hit The Jack-Pot

Usually, Any Excess Power Your System Generates
By Law, The Local Power Company Has To Buy From You

Good Luck
I'm Sure You'll Be Pleased

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Apr 22, 2019 23:00:58   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
karpenter wrote:
No
This Is Actually A Great Decision
Solar Panels For Heat, Electricity
And A Private Turbine System
Are Incredibly Efficient For Private Homes
In San Diego, If Your House Faces N/S
You've Hit The Jack-Pot

Usually, Any Excess Power Your System Generates
By Law, The Local Power Company Has To Buy From You

Good Luck
I'm Sure You'll Be Pleased


They buy it for less than $0.07/KWh That's less than half of their cheapest rate during the night-time. I plan on putting in one a government subsidized Tesla battery. My payback on the system should be less than 6 years with a 25-year warranty to produce at 95% in year 25.

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Apr 22, 2019 23:04:15   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
karpenter wrote:
This Is A Little Off-Topic
But I Have To Let You Know

I Saw A Report Were Self-Driving Cars Will Be So Common
There Will Be Parks Were You Go To Experience
Taking The Wheel Of Your Own Car


I have an RV and I bet despite only getting 6 mpg I have a smaller carbon footprint than most people, especially Al Gore. I can't wait for all the self-driving cars because when I drive my RV they will all get out of my way.

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Apr 23, 2019 02:21:30   #
GmanTerry
 
dtucker300 wrote:
And you didn't even mention how inefficient ethanol is in gasoline, in addition to screwing up your car and engine. Another energy sham foisted on us by the greenie weenies.
Nevertheless, against my better judgment, I am having solar panels installed on my roof because our local electric company (San Diego Gas & Electric) crooks are now charging over $0.50/KWh between 4:00 and 9:00 pm thanks to our crooked CA State Public Utilities Commission. The rates just keep going up and up.


And nobody mentioned the polution caused by the making and at some point in time, replacing of the batteries. I found a replacement battery bank on line for $745. It comes with a 40,000 mile warranty. That's about three years of normal car use.

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Semper Fi

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Apr 23, 2019 19:42:45   #
EN Submarine Qualified Loc: Wisconsin East coast
 
Roland womack wrote:
This is another example of the government not telling us the hole story.


Read more if still interested: https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/scam-century-scientific-study-destroys-electric-car-debate/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=newsletter-CT&utm_campaign=dailypm&utm_content=conservative-tribune

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Apr 23, 2019 23:46:59   #
debeda
 
EN Submarine Qualified wrote:
Enjoy. In addition, I read yesterday that during the lifetime of a wind generator it will never produce enough power to make up for that it required to make it not to mention dismantling it and disposing of it.

ver since the advent of electric cars, the REAL cost per mile has never been discussed. All you ever heard was the mpg in terms of gasoline, with not a mention of the cost to run it.

This is the first article I've ever seen and tells the story pretty much as I expected it to.

Electricity has to be one of the least efficient ways to power things yet it's being shoved down our throats. Glad somebody finally put engineering and math to paper.

At a neighbourhood BBQ I was talking to a neighbour, a BC Hydro executive.
I asked him how that renewable thing was doing. He laughed, then got serious
If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, he pointed out, you had to face certain realities. For example, a home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp service.

The average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On our small street (approx. 25 homes),the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than three houses with a single Tesla charge. For even half the homes to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly over-loaded. This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles. Our residential infrastructure cannot bear the load.

So as our genius elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are we being urged to buy these things and replace our reliable, cheap generating systems with expensive, new windmills and solar cells, but we will also have to renovate our entire delivery system! This latter "investment" will not
be revealed until we're so far down this dead end road that it will be presented with an 'OOPS...!' and a shrug.

If you want to argue with a green person over cars that are eco-friendly, just read the following.

Note: If you ARE a green person, read it anyway. It's enlightening.
Eric test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors and he writes,

"For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine." Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and the 16 kWh battery is approximately 270 miles. It will take you 4.5 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.

According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kWh of electricity.
It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned, so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kWh. 16 kWh x $1.16 per kWh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery.

Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine that gets only 32 mpg.
$3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.10 per mile. The gasoline powered car costs about $20,000 while the Volt costs $46,000-plus.

So the Canadian and American Governments wants loyal citizens not to do the maths, but simply pay three times as much for a car, that costs more than seven times as much to run, and takes three times longer to drive across the country.
Enjoy. In addition, I read yesterday that during ... (show quote)


I have a nice little Ford Fiesta. I get 36 mpg regularly and about 45 mpg on road trips. Maintenance, tires, etc are quite reasonable. Good point about infrastructures. I see some stores that have parking spots that are "charging stations". I'll have to take a closer look next time I see one to see if it's free, and if it is I'll watch with interest to see if it remains so.

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Apr 23, 2019 23:50:19   #
debeda
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Thanks for including us Canucks in this...
The idea is a grand and noble one...
All dreams are...

Reality is a bit more like a kick in the ass...

Would like to see more research into biofuels..

Think that might be the route to go...

For the foreseeable future anyways..

Great post


I read somewhere years ago that Wilhelm Diesel manufactured his original engine to run on vegetable oil and it was retrofitted to accept petroleum product. I'll have to hunt around to see if I can find that and post it.

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Apr 23, 2019 23:51:44   #
debeda
 
karpenter wrote:
This Is A Little Off-Topic
But I Have To Let You Know

I Saw A Report Were Self-Driving Cars Will Be So Common
There Will Be Parks Were You Go To Experience
Taking The Wheel Of Your Own Car


Oh gosh, that honestly sounds like a dystopian nightmare to me

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Apr 24, 2019 00:52:47   #
EN Submarine Qualified Loc: Wisconsin East coast
 
debeda wrote:
I read somewhere years ago that Wilhelm Diesel manufactured his original engine to run on vegetable oil and it was retrofitted to accept petroleum product. I'll have to hunt around to see if I can find that and post it.


Interestingly enough Henry Ford designed his engines to run on alcohol.

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