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Mar 21, 2019 13:11:42   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
woodguru wrote:
That number really stinks, where did you pull it out from? Did you mean unemployment is at 3.9 percent? It was at 5 percent when he took office, and Obama had enjoyed an 84 month straight run of jobs growth.

I'm pretty sure you did not see a 399% increase in jobs.

Obama's job growth was largely part time. He also oversaw the greatest increase in food stamp recipients and a doubling of black unemployment.

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Mar 21, 2019 14:49:32   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
Obama's job growth was largely part time. He also oversaw the greatest increase in food stamp recipients and a doubling of black unemployment.


His stimulus produced some jobs; shovel ready ones at that! And only $400,000 per job! What a plan!!!!

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Mar 21, 2019 15:28:22   #
bahmer
 
proud republican wrote:
Whether you want to admit it or not,Trump did WIN an election!!!!....And the faster you admit this the better it would be for your psyche!!!


Amen and Amen

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Mar 21, 2019 17:00:05   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
His stimulus produced some jobs; shovel ready ones at that! And only $400,000 per job! What a plan!!!!


The only shovel ready jobs produced under Obama were the ones right after one of his speeches.

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Mar 22, 2019 01:34:21   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
woodguru wrote:
That number really stinks, where did you pull it out from? Did you mean unemployment is at 3.9 percent? It was at 5 percent when he took office, and Obama had enjoyed an 84 month straight run of jobs growth.

I'm pretty sure you did not see a 399% increase in jobs.


Yes I did. No need to say where, but lets say several sources. On the other had, there are several sources that say job growth was slow, some said jobs increased but yada yada yada, some said jobs increased but under Obama, some said jobs increased but that started in 2010.
It depends on who says what you want to hear. Since I didn't see any reports that said job growth didn't happen, I'll stick with the 399% increase in jobs.
There are several sites for you to believe and there are several sites for me to believe. You believe the ones that say what you like to hear, and I'll do the same on the other side of the fence.
If you want to see the 399% reports, just search for "who reported that trump had a 399% increase in job growth over obama"
I didn't look for that originally, it came to me through my email. I had to do the search though to answer your statement.
But, YES, I DID see it.

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Mar 22, 2019 05:42:20   #
Kickaha Loc: Nebraska
 
Kevyn wrote:
Putin handed your Idiot Pumpkinfuhrer his electoral victory, and you were played by him.


It is amazing that you say that. Everything coming out of the special consuls office shows that there was no collusion with the Trump campaign. There is plenty of evidence coming out of collusion between the Hillary campaign and some elements of the Ukrainian government. It is being investigated by the Ukrainians and at least deserves a look by our government.

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Mar 22, 2019 05:47:11   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Kickaha wrote:
It is amazing that you say that. Everything coming out of the special consuls office shows that there was no collusion with the Trump campaign. There is plenty of evidence coming out of collusion between the Hillary campaign and some elements of the Ukrainian government. It is being investigated by the Ukrainians and at least deserves a look by our government.


Good morning Bob...

Hope you are well today...

This UkrainIan thing has me stumped...
Can't see exactly how they colluded...
After all of this Russian nonsense I am hesitant to jump to conclusions...

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Mar 22, 2019 06:04:44   #
Kickaha Loc: Nebraska
 
It is a story I came across of the Ukrainian prosecutor trying to determine who and which government agency released the Manafort financial information and ties to the US ambassador to the Ukraine, who was an outspoken critic of of President Trump. I am interested in seeing further developments in this story. It does seem to have more substance than the Steele dossier (another Clinton invention).

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Mar 22, 2019 06:20:11   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Kickaha wrote:
It is a story I came across of the Ukrainian prosecutor trying to determine who and which government agency released the Manafort financial information and ties to the US ambassador to the Ukraine, who was an outspoken critic of of President Trump. I am interested in seeing further developments in this story. It does seem to have more substance than the Steele dossier (another Clinton invention).


Yes ... This is what I have read as well...
I am waiting to learn more before passing judgement... But it does pique my curiosity...

Hope the weather is better than over here.. Snowed yesterday.. Melted today... Now everything is ice... Lots of accidents...

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Mar 22, 2019 06:34:43   #
Kickaha Loc: Nebraska
 
The Weather is warming up and the water is going down.

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Mar 22, 2019 10:59:40   #
currahee506
 
By way of review of what has been happening historically in our country for the last hundred years is a steady "fabian socialistic takeover of America by way of debt-control." The cabal in our country is the privately controlled central bank. This group prints our currency and charges interest and they do not want the debt that occurs to be paid off. For them, "debt is money and the value of it is the labor of the American worker." "Leftism," which means the expansion of government into bureaucratic fiefdoms, is the 'hedge' that protects them from the competition to their product that would otherwise come from a free market system. They own the airwaves and they will push "left-right" propaganda to bring about cultural division ("divide and conquer"). The "activists and politicians who come across as outright Marxists are paid to push what even some of themselves don't believe. It's all about power and control for the group that prints the "Petro-dollar." Sapping the middle-class self -employed workers and private business of their money by tedious and nonsensical bureaucratic rules is their delight. Hillary is employed by the bank to push for more bureaucracy, Her whining is the "bank's" whining. For the middle-class working man who has not been completely brainwashed by "Leftism" and understands money and "the Golden Rule" all of this "socialism crap" and the dunderheads that support its many forms is nothing more than a diversion from the real problem: who controls the debt, the bank or the people by way of the American Constitution?

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Mar 22, 2019 11:39:58   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
woodguru wrote:
Yes, he won an election, I was waiting for him to start acting like a president that represents all people instead of a moron who cares only about those who say nice things and prove their loyalty to him.


This is a test:

How can Mr.Trump represent "all people" when so many of them are morons who hate every thing he does and refuse to be represented by him or acknowledged him as their president? (Hint. This is not a multiple choice test.)

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Mar 22, 2019 13:33:27   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
maximus wrote:
Yes I did. No need to say where, but lets say several sources. On the other had, there are several sources that say job growth was slow, some said jobs increased but yada yada yada, some said jobs increased but under Obama, some said jobs increased but that started in 2010.
It depends on who says what you want to hear. Since I didn't see any reports that said job growth didn't happen, I'll stick with the 399% increase in jobs.
There are several sites for you to believe and there are several sites for me to believe. You believe the ones that say what you like to hear, and I'll do the same on the other side of the fence.
If you want to see the 399% reports, just search for "who reported that trump had a 399% increase in job growth over obama"
I didn't look for that originally, it came to me through my email. I had to do the search though to answer your statement.
But, YES, I DID see it.
Yes I did. No need to say where, but lets say seve... (show quote)



I think Your 399% came from an article in Forbes... and yes, using the numbers the way they did in the article does give the 399% figure..
It is one way that accountants learn to express things as the wish.

I will post a link..

This is only an opinion from Quora.. but I find it deserving a look..


The problem with holding onto such a fraction of the economic picture is what it does not show..

the condition of coal industry which he promised so much to, the auto plants closing, the brick and mortar stores closing.. overall the concentration of gains into only a small segment of our economy..

I rather doubt that it’s true, since Trump is running things and the GOP and he are dishonest about their work, as proven again and again. Right now every department is under grreat pressure to bring back good numbers, which are always adjusted again later.

But let’s say it’s true for the sake of argument. In the US, manufacturing jobs tend to be the lower paid type, just like when Republican in Texas tout job growth, they rarely mention the types of jobs, which are low paying for the greates part.

As bad as Trump has done in other areas, I’d have to say that’s his best accomplishment and that we need to facotr in all the plant closing and false info on coal, steel, etc. before taking a victory lap. Those things went quite differently than he promised. Much of the economy isn’t helping the average person, while it is benefitting the wealthy and major corporations.

Meanwhile, Wall Street is doing well, but economists are predicting bad times coming soon, due to the factors they watch for such things being pretty negative after two years of Trump. Meanwhile, I know very few people who’ve gained jobs in manufacturing, so I remain pretty skeptical of a liar and his work.

Adding just over half a milllion jobs to manufacturing in a society moving away from that type of job anyway, is a little anemic in a nation of 329 million. Still, it’s getter than nothing.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/30/18203611/trump-jobs-numbers-obama-economy-state-of-the-union


The US economy has been steadily adding jobs since the Great Recession. Under President Barack Obama, the economy averaged an additional 109,000 jobs per month, and the administration oversaw 75 consecutive months of growth, the longest streak of total job growth on record.

Under Trump, the trend has continued: The economy has kept adding jobs, and the unemployment rate is now at 4 percent, nearing historically low levels.

But the way Trump talks about it, you wouldn’t know it. Aaron Sojourner, a professor at the University of Minnesota and a former labor economist for the Council of Economic Advisers under Obama and Trump, charted out the shift in Trump’s talking points — compared with how the US jobs market is actually doing — on Twitter recently.

“The talking points changed,” he wrote, “not the growth trend.”

Under Obama, the jobs numbers were fake. Now the news is.
When Obama was president, Trump often trashed the state of the US economy and jobs market.

He called the April 2012 jobs report “terrible” for adding just 72,000 jobs. (During his presidency, he’s seen a month of 73,000 jobs added, and another of 14,000.) Trump often derided the Affordable Care Act for cutting into the labor market and claimed the country was losing thousands of jobs to outsourcing. On the campaign trail, he pledged to bring jobs back to America and make the economy “sing” again.

And when there was good news about jobs and the economy, Trump often claimed it was fake.

As Vox’s Ezra Klein laid out last year, there’s been an ongoing debate between conservatives and progressives about whether the Trump economy is a continuation of the Obama economy or whether Trump has pulled off some sort of economic miracle. Jobs growth and GDP growth under the two presidents has been pretty steady. Per Klein:

It’s hard to look at this data and argue that the Trump economy represents a sharp break with the Obama economy.

This is the link to the Forbes article.. note it is an opinion piece..

My math did not give the same results.. Give it a try and show which result is correct...

I do not trust my math... With a look I would say 4 to 5 times the number of jobs..


https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2019/03/11/trumps-policy-magic-wand-boosts-manufacturing-jobs-399-in-first-26-months-over-obamas-last-26/#4712a83420a6


Much of the blame for the weak economy can be set at the feet of two failed economic policies: monetary and fiscal. From the reliance on the Federal Reserve’s easy money—$4.5 trillion of “quantitative easing"—to the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) started under President Bush to Obama’s Cash For Clunkers program, the post-2009 recovery was marked by government intervention at levels not seen since the Great Depression 70 years earlier.

From October 2014 to December 2016, private sector employment grew by 4.2% as the unemployment rate dipped to 4.7%. In the past 26 months, private employers have grown their payrolls by 4.0% as the job market has tightened considerably, with official unemployment dropping to 3.8%.

While overall employment numbers are comparable, the difference in manufacturing is profound. In the last 26 months of Obama’s presidency, manufacturing employment grew by 96,000 or 0.8%. In Trump’s first 26 months, manufacturers added 479,000 jobs, or 3.9%, 399% more jobs than Obama’s record.

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Mar 22, 2019 16:30:51   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
permafrost wrote:
I think Your 399% came from an article in Forbes... and yes, using the numbers the way they did in the article does give the 399% figure..
It is one way that accountants learn to express things as the wish.

I will post a link..

This is only an opinion from Quora.. but I find it deserving a look..


The problem with holding onto such a fraction of the economic picture is what it does not show..

the condition of coal industry which he promised so much to, the auto plants closing, the brick and mortar stores closing.. overall the concentration of gains into only a small segment of our economy..

I rather doubt that it’s true, since Trump is running things and the GOP and he are dishonest about their work, as proven again and again. Right now every department is under grreat pressure to bring back good numbers, which are always adjusted again later.

But let’s say it’s true for the sake of argument. In the US, manufacturing jobs tend to be the lower paid type, just like when Republican in Texas tout job growth, they rarely mention the types of jobs, which are low paying for the greates part.

As bad as Trump has done in other areas, I’d have to say that’s his best accomplishment and that we need to facotr in all the plant closing and false info on coal, steel, etc. before taking a victory lap. Those things went quite differently than he promised. Much of the economy isn’t helping the average person, while it is benefitting the wealthy and major corporations.

Meanwhile, Wall Street is doing well, but economists are predicting bad times coming soon, due to the factors they watch for such things being pretty negative after two years of Trump. Meanwhile, I know very few people who’ve gained jobs in manufacturing, so I remain pretty skeptical of a liar and his work.

Adding just over half a milllion jobs to manufacturing in a society moving away from that type of job anyway, is a little anemic in a nation of 329 million. Still, it’s getter than nothing.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/30/18203611/trump-jobs-numbers-obama-economy-state-of-the-union


The US economy has been steadily adding jobs since the Great Recession. Under President Barack Obama, the economy averaged an additional 109,000 jobs per month, and the administration oversaw 75 consecutive months of growth, the longest streak of total job growth on record.

Under Trump, the trend has continued: The economy has kept adding jobs, and the unemployment rate is now at 4 percent, nearing historically low levels.

But the way Trump talks about it, you wouldn’t know it. Aaron Sojourner, a professor at the University of Minnesota and a former labor economist for the Council of Economic Advisers under Obama and Trump, charted out the shift in Trump’s talking points — compared with how the US jobs market is actually doing — on Twitter recently.

“The talking points changed,” he wrote, “not the growth trend.”

Under Obama, the jobs numbers were fake. Now the news is.
When Obama was president, Trump often trashed the state of the US economy and jobs market.

He called the April 2012 jobs report “terrible” for adding just 72,000 jobs. (During his presidency, he’s seen a month of 73,000 jobs added, and another of 14,000.) Trump often derided the Affordable Care Act for cutting into the labor market and claimed the country was losing thousands of jobs to outsourcing. On the campaign trail, he pledged to bring jobs back to America and make the economy “sing” again.

And when there was good news about jobs and the economy, Trump often claimed it was fake.

As Vox’s Ezra Klein laid out last year, there’s been an ongoing debate between conservatives and progressives about whether the Trump economy is a continuation of the Obama economy or whether Trump has pulled off some sort of economic miracle. Jobs growth and GDP growth under the two presidents has been pretty steady. Per Klein:

It’s hard to look at this data and argue that the Trump economy represents a sharp break with the Obama economy.

This is the link to the Forbes article.. note it is an opinion piece..

My math did not give the same results.. Give it a try and show which result is correct...

I do not trust my math... With a look I would say 4 to 5 times the number of jobs..


https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2019/03/11/trumps-policy-magic-wand-boosts-manufacturing-jobs-399-in-first-26-months-over-obamas-last-26/#4712a83420a6


Much of the blame for the weak economy can be set at the feet of two failed economic policies: monetary and fiscal. From the reliance on the Federal Reserve’s easy money—$4.5 trillion of “quantitative easing"—to the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) started under President Bush to Obama’s Cash For Clunkers program, the post-2009 recovery was marked by government intervention at levels not seen since the Great Depression 70 years earlier.

From October 2014 to December 2016, private sector employment grew by 4.2% as the unemployment rate dipped to 4.7%. In the past 26 months, private employers have grown their payrolls by 4.0% as the job market has tightened considerably, with official unemployment dropping to 3.8%.

While overall employment numbers are comparable, the difference in manufacturing is profound. In the last 26 months of Obama’s presidency, manufacturing employment grew by 96,000 or 0.8%. In Trump’s first 26 months, manufacturers added 479,000 jobs, or 3.9%, 399% more jobs than Obama’s record.
I think Your 399% came from an article in Forbes..... (show quote)


I'm glad that you stated that statistics can be manipulated to show just about whatever the statistician wants. That's why when woodguru challenged me as to whether or not I saw it, I had to search to find it, and in doing so, found 4? 399% reports on the first page. At the same time, I saw several ( didn't count) reports that said more or less that Trumps economic policies are just not working, and the ones that say it IS working say that the credit belongs to Obama. If they say the job growth is good, then Trump gets no credit for it, and if the job market is bad, then Trump gets all the credit for it. Then there is the other side of the "news" that sing the praises of Trump.
To me, by your figures, the 399% manufacturing job growth is true. I had a friend who just gave up trying to get a job and somehow, he got disability. So, I know that it's true that many people just gave up on finding a job under Obama. Doesn't matter whether or not I like Obama, the statement is true. I haven't heard of that mindset in all of Trump's administration, and again, whether or not I like him, that statement is true in my own experience. Does that mean that people who couldn't get a job are getting a job under Trump? To me, it would seem so. Some say that manufacturing jobs don't pay that well, but, as I've been there myself, if you don't have a job, shoveling dookie in a horse barn for $7.50 per hour will put beans on the table and the worker is glad to be working....again.
Myself, I believe that manufacturing is every bit as important as, say...lawyers, doctors, CEO's, or anyone who makes a lot of money not working. ( Yes...I know they spent a lot of money for the education thing) But what does a lawyer need to be a lawyer? A collage for one, meaning construction jobs, a car, meaning manufacturing jobs, a house, a TV, cell phones, schools for the children, cafeteria workers to feed those children, and a myriad of others things that have to be built, made, or performed. The same is true for all upper class high dollar employees. Someone has to all these thing for them so why shouldn't Americans fulfill that need? Even flipping burgers at Hardee's looks good to someone that has no income.

My long winded point is this; jobs are jobs and if Trump saw a 399% increase over the record of a previous administration, then I say stand up and give him the praise he deserves. I promise you that anyone who now has a job that didn't before will gladly join me. If Trump is only doing as well as Obama, then whats the problem with Trump because Obama was loved, and if their performance is the same, why is it really good for Obama but really bad for Trump?

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Mar 22, 2019 16:48:36   #
Seth
 
Kickaha wrote:
Hillary lost the election despite having the primary rigged in her favor. The debates were rigged in her favor by supplying her with debate questions provided to her in advance. Her email scandal was not properly investigated. The press did not ask any hard questions of her, in fact they offered softball questions and gave her glowing praise. Don't forget all the voter fraud, illegals voting, questionable recounts all occurring in Democrat controlled jurisdictions, it all must be coincidences. Don't forget the opposition research, that was entirely discredited, passed off as evidence that President Trump was in league with the Russians. With all this stacked against President Trump, he still won the Presidency by playing by the rules to win the Electoral College.
Hillary lost the election despite having the prima... (show quote)



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