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Mar 5, 2019 02:56:28   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
You missed the entire point of the article. Marijuana is poison, the THC content of today's product is 20 times stronger than in the 1960s no matter who is doing the harvesting. How fascinating that our nation was built through hard work and hard times, but free men relied on the old standards for easing pain and anxiety: caffeine, candy and cigarettes which our own HHS has declared as toxic, but marijuana is medicinal! Lies, lies, and more lies from HHS.

At what point to we become suspicious of our government trying to mass medicate the public, dope us into oblivion, profit from the revolving door of drug traffickers and violent crime, stocks and bonds, while DNA fingerprinting, euthanizing, aborting and sterilizing our citizens? Drug addicts make good slaves on the government plantation.
You missed the entire point of the article. Mariju... (show quote)


I was responding to Coos Bay.. Not your article... Apologies

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Mar 5, 2019 03:01:46   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
People just are not in their right mind when they smoke a joint---They might kill a baby.


I don't want these stoned guys teaching my children in public schools, nor do I want them driving down the highway in a blue funk, working on machinery in factories, serving in the military, or voting in politicians legalizing dope under the delusion that this crap is medicine.

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Mar 5, 2019 03:48:21   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
I don't want these stoned guys teaching my children in public schools, nor do I want them driving down the highway in a blue funk, working on machinery in factories, serving in the military, or voting in politicians legalizing dope under the delusion that this crap is medicine.


Just going to point out that the majority of medicine is poison...

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Mar 5, 2019 04:53:17   #
Kevyn
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/marijuana-mental-illness-violence/
Marijuana, Mental Illness, and Violence
January 2019 • Volume 48, Number 1 • Alex Berenson

PART 1:
"The following is adapted from a speech delivered on January 15, 2019, at Hillsdale College’s Allan P. Kirby, Jr. Center for Constitutional Studies and Citizenship in Washington, D.C.
Seventy miles northwest of New York City is a hospital that looks like a prison, its drab brick buildings wrapped in layers of fencing and barbed wire. This grim facility is called the Mid-Hudson Forensic Psychiatric Institute. It’s one of three places the state of New York sends the criminally mentally ill—defendants judged not guilty by reason of insanity.

"Until recently, my wife Jackie­—Dr. Jacqueline Berenson—was a senior psychiatrist there. Many of Mid-Hudson’s 300 patients are killers and arsonists. At least one is a cannibal. Most have been diagnosed with psychotic disorders like schizophrenia that provoked them to violence against family members or strangers.

A couple of years ago, Jackie was telling me about a patient. In passing, she said something like, Of course he’d been smoking pot his whole life.

Of course? I said.
Yes, they all smoke.
So marijuana causes schizophrenia?

I was surprised, to say the least. I tended to be a libertarian on drugs. Years before, I’d covered the pharmaceutical industry for The New York Times. I was aware of the claims about marijuana as medicine, and I’d watched the slow spread of legalized cannabis without much interest.

Jackie would have been within her rights to say, I know what I’m talking about, unlike you. Instead she offered something neutral like, I think that’s what the big studies say. You should read them.
So I did. The big studies, the little ones, and all the rest. I read everything I could find. I talked to every psychiatrist and brain scientist who would talk to me. And I soon realized that in all my years as a journalist I had never seen a story where the gap between insider and outsider knowledge was so great, or the stakes so high.

I began to wonder why—with the stocks of cannabis companies soaring and politicians promoting legalization as a low-risk way to raise tax revenue and reduce crime—I had never heard the truth about marijuana, mental illness, and violence.
***
Over the last 30 years, psychiatrists and epidemiologists have turned speculation about marijuana’s dangers into science. Yet over the same period, a shrewd and expensive lobbying campaign has pushed public attitudes about marijuana the other way. And the effects are now becoming apparent.
Almost everything you think you know about the health effects of cannabis, almost everything advocates and the media have told you for a generation, is wrong.

They’ve told you marijuana has many different medical uses. In reality marijuana and THC, its active ingredient, have been shown to work only in a few narrow conditions. They are most commonly prescribed for pain relief. But they are rarely tested against other pain relief drugs like ibuprofen—and in July, a large four-year study of patients with chronic pain in Australia showed cannabis use was associated with greater pain over time.

They’ve told you cannabis can stem opioid use—“Two new studies show how marijuana can help fight the opioid epidemic,” according to Wonkblog, a Washington Post website, in April 2018— and that marijuana’s effects as a painkiller make it a potential substitute for opiates. In reality, like alcohol, marijuana is too weak as a painkiller to work for most people who truly need opiates, such as terminal cancer patients. Even cannabis advocates, like Rob Kampia, the co-founder of the Marijuana Policy Project, acknowledge that they have always viewed medical marijuana laws primarily as a way to protect recreational users.

As for the marijuana-reduces-opiate-use theory, it is based largely on a single paper comparing overdose deaths by state before 2010 to the spread of medical marijuana laws— and the paper’s finding is probably a result of simple geographic coincidence. The opiate epidemic began in Appalachia, while the first states to legalize medical marijuana were in the West. Since 2010, as both the epidemic and medical marijuana laws have spread nationally, the finding has vanished. And the United States, the Western country with the most cannabis use, also has by far the worst problem with opioids.

Research on individual users—a better way to trace cause and effect than looking at aggregate state-level data—consistently shows that marijuana use leads to other drug use. For example, a January 2018 paper in the American Journal of Psychiatry showed that people who used cannabis in 2001 were almost three times as likely to use opiates three years later, even after adjusting for other potential risks.

Most of all, advocates have told you that marijuana is not just safe for people with psychiatric problems like depression, but that it is a potential treatment for those patients. On its website, the cannabis delivery service Eaze offers the “Best Marijuana Strains and Products for Treating Anxiety.” “How Does Cannabis Help Depression?” is the topic of an article on Leafly, the largest cannabis website. But a mountain of peer-reviewed research in top medical journals shows that marijuana can cause or worsen severe mental illness, especially psychosis, the medical term for a break from reality. Teenagers who smoke marijuana regularly are about three times as likely to develop schizophrenia, the most devastating psychotic disorder.

After an exhaustive review, the National Academy of Medicine found in 2017 that “cannabis use is likely to increase the risk of developing schizophrenia and other psychoses; the higher the use, the greater the risk.” Also that “regular cannabis use is likely to increase the risk for developing social anxiety disorder.”
***
Over the past decade, as legalization has spread, patterns of marijuana use—and the drug itself—have changed in dangerous ways.

Legalization has not led to a huge increase in people using the drug casually. About 15 percent of Americans used cannabis at least once in 2017, up from ten percent in 2006, according to a large federal study called the National Survey on Drug Use and Health. (By contrast, about 65 percent of Americans had a drink in the last year.) But the number of Americans who use cannabis heavily is soaring. In 2006, about three million Americans reported using cannabis at least 300 times a year, the standard for daily use. By 2017, that number had nearly tripled, to eight million, approaching the twelve million Americans who drank alcohol every day. Put another way, one in 15 drinkers consumed alcohol daily; about one in five marijuana users used cannabis that often.

Cannabis users today are also consuming a drug that is far more potent than ever before, as measured by the amount of THC—delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol, the chemical in cannabis responsible for its psychoactive effects—it contains. In the 1970s, the last time this many Americans used cannabis, most marijuana contained less than two percent THC. Today, marijuana routinely contains 20 to 25 percent THC, thanks to sophisticated farming and cloning techniques—as well as to a demand by users for cannabis that produces a stronger high more quickly. In states where cannabis is legal, many users prefer extracts that are nearly pure THC. Think of the difference between near-beer and a martini, or even grain alcohol, to understand the difference.

These new patterns of use have caused problems with the drug to soar. In 2014, people who had diagnosable cannabis use disorder, the medical term for marijuana abuse or addiction, made up about 1.5 percent of Americans. But they accounted for eleven percent of all the psychosis cases in emergency rooms—90,000 cases, 250 a day, triple the number in 2006. In states like Colorado, emergency room physicians have become experts on dealing with cannabis-induced psychosis.

Cannabis advocates often argue that the drug can’t be as neurotoxic as studies suggest, because otherwise Western countries would have seen population-wide increases in psychosis alongside rising use. In reality, accurately tracking psychosis cases is impossible in the United States. The government carefully tracks diseases like cancer with central registries, but no such registry exists for schizophrenia or other severe mental illnesses.

On the other hand, research from Finland and Denmark, two countries that track mental illness more comprehensively, shows a significant increase in psychosis since 2000, following an increase in cannabis use. And in September of last year, a large federal survey found a rise in serious mental illness in the United States as well, especially among young adults, the heaviest users of cannabis.

According to this latter study, 7.5 percent of adults age 18-25 met the criteria for serious mental illness in 2017, double the rate in 2008. What’s especially striking is that adolescents age 12-17 don’t show these increases in cannabis use and severe mental illness...."
continued in PART 2
https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/marijuana-mental-il... (show quote)
A weed with its roots in hell, it will drag you into the quagmire of degradation!







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Mar 5, 2019 04:57:00   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Just going to point out that the majority of medicine is poison...


Got that right. Side effects from prescription meds are sometimes worse than the disease. Marijuana is a plant- an herb so I would say much safer than a chemical compound from a laboratory. I have never heard of a marijuana overdose death.

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Mar 5, 2019 04:59:39   #
Kevyn
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
You missed the entire point of the article. Marijuana is poison, the THC content of today's product is 20 times stronger than in the 1960s no matter who is doing the harvesting. How fascinating that our nation was built through hard work and hard times, but free men relied on the old standards for easing pain and anxiety: caffeine, candy and cigarettes which our own HHS has declared as toxic, but marijuana is medicinal! Lies, lies, and more lies from HHS.

At what point to we become suspicious of our government trying to mass medicate the public, dope us into oblivion, profit from the revolving door of drug traffickers and violent crime, stocks and bonds, while DNA fingerprinting, euthanizing, aborting and sterilizing our citizens? Drug addicts make good slaves on the government plantation.
You missed the entire point of the article. Mariju... (show quote)


The government treats marijuana the same way as it does heroin. How on earth are they encouraging it’s use? In the states it has been legalized for either medical or recreational use it was done by a vote of the people. How in any way is this a government conspiracy?

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Mar 5, 2019 05:02:47   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Kevyn wrote:
The government treats marijuana the same way as it does heroin. How on earth are they encouraging it’s use? In the states it has been legalized for either medical or recreational use it was done by a vote of the people. How in any way is this a government conspiracy?


If people smoke marijuana they will become likely Democrat voters. It is a Democrat conspiracy

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Mar 5, 2019 05:08:18   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
If people smoke marijuana they will become likely Democrat voters. It is a Democrat conspiracy


Good one Tom

Now we know what the Green New Deal is really about

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Mar 5, 2019 05:11:41   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Got that right. Side effects from prescription meds are sometimes worse than the disease. Marijuana is a plant- an herb so I would say much safer than a chemical compound from a laboratory. I have never heard of a marijuana overdose death.


Overdoses are rare... Concentrated they can happen...(or so I have been told)...

I don't use the stuff myself... And I am not terribly happy about it's legalization in Canada...

But it is hardly the boogyman that sone make it out to be...

Alcohol is a true gateway drug...
And far more harmful than marijuana...
But I dare you to try and take away my brewski

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Mar 5, 2019 05:22:26   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Overdoses are rare... Concentrated they can happen...(or so I have been told)...

I don't use the stuff myself... And I am not terribly happy about it's legalization in Canada...

But it is hardly the boogyman that sone make it out to be...

Alcohol is a true gateway drug...
And far more harmful than marijuana...
But I dare you to try and take away my brewski
Overdoses are rare... Concentrated they can happen... (show quote)
Moderation is key as with all things that alter the psyche. I drink one beer a day to relax and because I like it. Then there are those who have their favorite bar with their favorite stool who lost their drivers licence long ago and can't prioritise the life they have because alcohol has became all important. It is the most dangerous drug and being legal makes it even more so.

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Mar 5, 2019 05:28:20   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Moderation is key as with all things that alter the psyche. I drink one beer a day to relax and because I like it. Then there are those who have their favorite bar with their favorite stool who lost their drivers licence long ago and can't prioritise the life they have because alcohol has became all important. It is the most dangerous drug and being legal makes it even more so.


I usually have two or three in the evening...

But I agree with what you said...
Drunks are sone of the saddest folk on the Earth...
Lots of alcoholics on both sides of my family...

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Mar 5, 2019 05:40:47   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I usually have two or three in the evening...

But I agree with what you said...
Drunks are sone of the saddest folk on the Earth...
Lots of alcoholics on both sides of my family...
My great grandfather ran a still. All of my uncles were alcholics. One of my brothers is an alcoholic who has wrecked half a dozen cars all while driving drunk.
He has been married and divorced 5 times and I just can't see that alcohol has benifited him.

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Mar 5, 2019 07:06:45   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Kevyn wrote:
A weed with its roots in hell, it will drag you into the quagmire of degradation!



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Mar 5, 2019 11:16:06   #
debeda
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Got that right. Side effects from prescription meds are sometimes worse than the disease. Marijuana is a plant- an herb so I would say much safer than a chemical compound from a laboratory. I have never heard of a marijuana overdose death.


I dunno about that anymore. THC is dangerous. In the 60s some enterprising souls (dunno who or how) used to render the stuff out of pot and it made the users Looney tunes. I did not realize there was 4 to 5 times more THC in the stuff in current use...

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Mar 5, 2019 11:16:36   #
debeda
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
If people smoke marijuana they will become likely Democrat voters. It is a Democrat conspiracy


Lolololololololhahahahahaha

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