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Feb 22, 2019 14:19:36   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Seth wrote:
You should have tried: "A belch is just a breath of air, coming from the heart. But when it takes a downward path..."


That sounds logical to me.

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Feb 22, 2019 14:22:19   #
woodguru
 
What's interesting is how easily an alternate reality can be assigned to any given situation by simply prefacing a fabrication about something with "we all know", or "we already know", "as we all know". It infers already established facts that may have no bearing as fact whatsoever. Then the rhetoric at hand becomes truth to people because they hear it so often it takes on a "must be true" weight.

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Feb 22, 2019 14:27:12   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Seth wrote:
The title of this piece by Victor Davis Hanson couldn't better define the way, essentially, our own language is being used against us by the fine folks (I employ that descriptive loosely) on the left, who manage to trample all over reality with the reapplication of a word here, another there...

https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/02/21/changing-reality-with-words/

"Beware of euphemisms. Radical changes in vocabulary are usually admissions that reality is unwelcome or indefensible."
The title of this piece by Victor Davis Hanson cou... (show quote)


Of course, the changes in labels only help the leftists who employ it so often. I think it eases their consciences.

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Feb 22, 2019 15:35:18   #
Seth
 
working class stiff wrote:
My mistake. You are correct. The title is intriguing and accurate, but then the author does not follow through. The idea that words and language change reality is well documented.

Instead the author just goes through the usual rebranding exercise....liberals and democrats, bad; conservatives and republicans good.


I must have missed something. Maybe you have some sort of X-RAY vision thing for reading deeply between the lines.

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Feb 22, 2019 16:26:47   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
Seth wrote:
I must have missed something. Maybe you have some sort of X-RAY vision thing for reading deeply between the lines.


No, nothing like that. The topic title intrigued me and I was kind of expecting something along the lines of this, with a political angle:

http://www.critical-theory.com/language-shapes-reality-study-reveals/

Instead, it was the usual political rigamarole. When you said 'apples and oranges' I knew I was mistaken.

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Feb 22, 2019 17:27:10   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
working class stiff wrote:
No, nothing like that. The topic title intrigued me and I was kind of expecting something along the lines of this, with a political angle:

http://www.critical-theory.com/language-shapes-reality-study-reveals/

Instead, it was the usual political rigamarole. When you said 'apples and oranges' I knew I was mistaken.


The reason is likely that conservatives tend to be more emotional, they tend to respond better to more emotional information. I think that is why the conservative writers writing for conservatives tend to write with more "loaded words", word specifically chosen to drive emotion.

There have been studies to show that while conservatives tend to have a larger right amygdala (associated with the emotions one feels and the "fight or flight" mechanism), liberals tend to have a larger anterior cingulate cortex
(the area that is responsible for taking in new information and that impact of the new information on decision making or choices)*.

*Area describing the functions performed by the anterior cingulate cortex taken from: https://www.alternet.org/2016/06/new-studies-show-liberals-and-conservatives-have-different-brain-structures/

That is of course based on several studies that have detected evidence of such anomalies between the brains of liberals and conservatives, of course each person is different, some people have both conservative AND liberal leanings. It would however go a long ways towards explaining the differences in liberal and conservative writings and reactions to what we hear/read/see and why we respond differently to the same information given in the same form.

While those that prefer to make up our own minds as to what we see/hear/read leads us to think, some are just as happy to have their emotions handed to them via "loaded words" meant to drive one's emotions in a specific direction. I suspect that is the reason why conservative media tends to use such "loaded words" in their articles. That is why I prefer to get my news primarily from sources that does not try to "drive" my emotions, I typically only venture to conservative sites if I find it necessary to confirm information that I think may be biased and can't seem to find other reference points to confirm or deny bias.

I would be much more likely to trust conservative news sources if it were not for the obvious bias that they show in their headlines, "loaded words" used to drive emotions, the fact that they take things out of context frequently, I have caught them using misinformation/disinformation/out right lies and often times promoting conspiracy theories. All of which drives me to distrust the conservative sites though there are a few that I find trustworthy, Fox news is not one of them due to the aforementioned reasons.

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Feb 22, 2019 18:04:35   #
Seth
 
working class stiff wrote:
No, nothing like that. The topic title intrigued me and I was kind of expecting something along the lines of this, with a political angle:

http://www.critical-theory.com/language-shapes-reality-study-reveals/

Instead, it was the usual political rigamarole. When you said 'apples and oranges' I knew I was mistaken.


Interesting, still digesting it. Also, I like the site, and will explore it more.

Thanks.

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Feb 22, 2019 18:15:28   #
Seth
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
The reason is likely that conservatives tend to be more emotional, they tend to respond better to more emotional information. I think that is why the conservative writers writing for conservatives tend to write with more "loaded words", word specifically chosen to drive emotion.

There have been studies to show that while conservatives tend to have a larger right amygdala (associated with the emotions one feels and the "fight or flight" mechanism), liberals tend to have a larger anterior cingulate cortex
(the area that is responsible for taking in new information and that impact of the new information on decision making or choices)*.

*Area describing the functions performed by the anterior cingulate cortex taken from: https://www.alternet.org/2016/06/new-studies-show-liberals-and-conservatives-have-different-brain-structures/

That is of course based on several studies that have detected evidence of such anomalies between the brains of liberals and conservatives, of course each person is different, some people have both conservative AND liberal leanings. It would however go a long ways towards explaining the differences in liberal and conservative writings and reactions to what we hear/read/see and why we respond differently to the same information given in the same form.

While those that prefer to make up our own minds as to what we see/hear/read leads us to think, some are just as happy to have their emotions handed to them via "loaded words" meant to drive one's emotions in a specific direction. I suspect that is the reason why conservative media tends to use such "loaded words" in their articles. That is why I prefer to get my news primarily from sources that does not try to "drive" my emotions, I typically only venture to conservative sites if I find it necessary to confirm information that I think may be biased and can't seem to find other reference points to confirm or deny bias.

I would be much more likely to trust conservative news sources if it were not for the obvious bias that they show in their headlines, "loaded words" used to drive emotions, the fact that they take things out of context frequently, I have caught them using misinformation/disinformation/out right lies and often times promoting conspiracy theories. All of which drives me to distrust the conservative sites though there are a few that I find trustworthy, Fox news is not one of them due to the aforementioned reasons.
The reason is likely that conservatives tend to be... (show quote)


I have actually had the opposite experience, but more on the facts side of things.

I won't/can't argue with the "emotion charged" descriptive, because it is in many ways true, but on the left side of the same equation I find many more distorted facts.

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Feb 22, 2019 18:52:12   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
Seth wrote:
I have actually had the opposite experience, but more on the facts side of things.

I won't/can't argue with the "emotion charged" descriptive, because it is in many ways true, but on the left side of the same equation I find many more distorted facts.


When I have "fact checked" either via fact check sites or manually, I have usually found the facts on center-left/center/center-right sites to be accurate to mostly accurate, I avoid further left and further right sites if I know they are that and/or as soon as I decide that they are that.

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Feb 22, 2019 19:00:54   #
Seth
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
When I have "fact checked" either via fact check sites or manually, I have usually found the facts on center-left/center/center-right sites to be accurate to mostly accurate, I avoid further left and further right sites if I know they are that and/or as soon as I decide that they are that.


Yeah, I try to do it that way as well.

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Feb 22, 2019 19:07:11   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
Seth wrote:
Yeah, I try to do it that way as well.


That is the only way I know of to get the full story with any real accuracy, though occasionally I do find myself having to "fact check" to be sure. So many times what Trump is reported to have said just seems incredible and must be checked to be sure of the facts. Usually if it is in a tweet, I go to Trump's twitter feed to confirm/deny.

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Feb 22, 2019 20:36:40   #
Seth
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
That is the only way I know of to get the full story with any real accuracy, though occasionally I do find myself having to "fact check" to be sure. So many times what Trump is reported to have said just seems incredible and must be checked to be sure of the facts. Usually if it is in a tweet, I go to Trump's twitter feed to confirm/deny.


I do also, then sometimes get buried in lots of other, related tweets, and what began as a quick check ends up in half an hour or so of amusement.

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Feb 22, 2019 20:47:08   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
Seth wrote:
I do also, then sometimes get buried in lots of other, related tweets, and what began as a quick check ends up in half an hour or so of amusement.


Yeah, same here.

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Feb 23, 2019 06:59:11   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Of course, the changes in labels only help the leftists who employ it so often. I think it eases their consciences.


I doubt Socialist Dim-O-Crats even have a consciences.

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Feb 23, 2019 08:14:33   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
old marine wrote:
I doubt Socialist Dim-O-Crats even have a consciences.


Good point. Maybe changing the labels helps fool their following.

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