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Feb 19, 2019 22:58:48   #
Radiance3
 
TexaCan wrote:
That is a wonderful idea! You are not intelligent enough to even understand what I asked you!

Peter is not the rock, Jesus Christ is! We have gone over this for over a year, no use to do again! No one stole scriptures from the Catholic Church! The Catholic Church never owned them to start with!

47,000 preachers don't sale scriptures, they are free, always have been!

Maybe someday you will come up with something new other than your Sola Scriptura or your 47,000 preachers that sale scriptures for seed money, LOL! I'm bored with your same statements over and over again!
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All protestants have been refuting the word of Christ. Matthew 16:18-19.
All Protestants deny that Peter is the Rock. Because this Sola Scriptura is MAN-MADE during the 16th century.

Good Luck!
That is a wonderful idea! You are not intelligent... (show quote)

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Feb 19, 2019 22:59:50   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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You can deny and defend all of them, but the fact of the matter is the "seed money" has been oftenly used at the pulpit by these bastards.

Making Money Off Miracles: The Gospel of Televangelists - Gawker
http://gawker.com/making-money-off-miracles-the-gospel-of-televangelists-1725330875

Aug 25, 2015 - Oliver said he would begin accepting “seed money” to build his new evangelical Protestant leaders saying that they believe in ... amassed a large amount of wealth, power, and huge audiences to beg for donations. ... Joel Osteen, pastor of megachurch Lakewood

A few weeks ago on Last Week Tonight, John Oliver exposed televangelists—evangelical preachers whose sole purpose is to get on TV and ask for funds for their ministries—who prey on the sick, poor, and desperate in order to line their own pockets, funding lavish lifestyles that include mansions, airplanes, cars, vacations, and more.

Toward the end of the segment, which quickly went viral, Oliver revealed that he had incorporated his own church without any restrictions. Called “Our Lady of Perpetual Exemption,” it worships the deity of the powerful and lenient IRS. Oliver said he would begin accepting “seed money” to build his new church, which would help him to cure people’s ailments.

If that seems like a comedic bit, perhaps the most terrifying thing should be how little John Oliver had to act for the sketch. He merely repeated things that real televangelists, such as Creflo Dollar, Robert Tilton, T.D. Jakes, Joel Osteen, and Kenneth Copeland, have actually said.

Those televangelists follow the model of“prosperity gospel” in which they believe that wealth is a sign of God’s favor, and that by simply believing and praying for money—in addition to donating copious amounts of money to various Christian ministries—is what will take you there. This is actually a rare belief among fundamentalists, with only 7 percent of evangelical Protestant leaders saying that they believe in the concepts of prosperity theology. The 7 percent who do, however, have amassed a large amount of wealth, power, and huge audiences to beg for donations.

Not surprisingly, most of the victims of this harmful prosperity doctrine are those in the poor and working class—it’s like a monstrous pyramid scam of religions. They see prosperity theology as a supernatural lottery, which isn’t shocking, considering that 61 percent of people who play the lottery are from the poorest one-fifths of the population. But these televangelists claim that your faith, your very soul, is tied into giving “positive confessions.” And the fact that you are poor isn’t just bad luck: it’s not having enough faith, not praying enough, and, of course, not giving a big enough donation to their ministry.
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Good night , Radiance! I'm tired of arguing with a fence post!

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Feb 19, 2019 23:06:21   #
Radiance3
 
TexaCan wrote:
Good night , Radiance! I'm tired of arguing with a fence post!


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To be honest, you are not worth my time TexaCan. Choose your kind, perhaps talking to your Fence Post.

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Feb 20, 2019 01:13:56   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
Doc110 wrote:
Written transcript
https://www.catholic.com/audio/caf/176

Audio transcript
https://www.catholic.com/audio/caf/176

I would say that over the last 50 or 60 years or so, there's been a remarkable change of mentality and worldview amongst Catholics, that hasn't really been paid too much attention to.

I would say that the way many of our fellow Catholics look at the world today, would describe it like this: Broad and wide is the way that leads to Heaven.

Almost everybody's going there.

Narrow is the door that leads to hell.

Hardly anybody's going there.

Now, you might say, like, "What's wrong with this picture?"


It's exactly the opposite of what Jesus Himself said. In Matthew, chapter seven, he says, "Broad and wide is the way that's leading to destruction.

Many are traveling that way.

Narrow is the door that leads to life, difficult is the road, and few there are who are finding it."

Now, Jesus didn't say this because he was happy about the situation.

He didn't say it because this is how it has to be.

But when you look out on the world as it is, many, many people are not honoring God.

They're not believing in Jesus.

They're not living righteous lives.

What Jesus is kind of trying to wake us up to is saying, "Hey.

This isn't a game. You know?

If you don't hold on to the bread of life, if you don't really hold on to the one that the Father has sent to bring us to Heaven, you're not gonna go there."

You know?

It's just really, really serious, and this isn't an isolated text. Like Luke, chapter 13.

Imagine, people asked Jesus, "Will there be few in number who are saved?"

Now, that's a pretty interesting question, isn't it?

He said, "Try very hard to enter by the narrow door, because many will try to enter, but will not be able to."

And then it goes on to say ... Well, people say, "Hey, wait a second, Jesus.

We came to your preaching. We ate and drank with you in the streets. What do you mean?"

He says, "I don't know you. Depart from me."

So, people heard about Jesus. They knew about Jesus.

They enjoyed his preaching.

Maybe they even got healed.

But they didn't respond with faith and repentance, and change their lives.

They didn't become disciples.

They didn't enter into a relationship with Him, and pay attention to the instructions He's trying to give us about how to end up in Heaven, rather than hell.

That's why I wrote the book.

To the Synod on the New Evangelization, in 2012.

You wrote a book, actually, Will Many Be Saved?

Bishop Robert Barron, who at the time was Father Barron, familiar to probably almost everybody in the Catholic world ... wrote a review of that book.

You wrote a reply, and the two of you carried on a conversation about salvation.

"Will Many Be Saved"?
Written transcript br https://www.catholic.com/aud... (show quote)


Doc, Although you are mad at me and ignoring me from another thread, I have to say I agree with your post 100%. Glad to see one who is NOT living by their own version of salvation, who respects God's plan.

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Feb 20, 2019 01:46:01   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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To be honest, you are not worth my time TexaCan. Choose your kind, perhaps talking to your Fence Post.


May I just step in here? The word protestant derives from those who protested the Bible being read in Latin, a language that most people didn't understand. Also at least in the middle ages, the RCC got rich off it's parishioners. Royality used the church to get rid of their unmarrirable daughters as nuns and were pretty much just slaves.
Henry the VIII found out that the Cardinal Thomas Wosley had a better house than he did and took it away him, so he was doing alright. ( This is from a book I have and if you want, I'll look this up)
These are historical facts as far as I know. The printing press helped bring about the protestants, because they could read the words for themselves, although many could still not read in any language, they DID understand spoken English.
The middle ages were a time of corruption for the RCC, and Wosley was a prime example.
I posted not to upset you but to balance your views as you seem to have particular hatred for protestants, and they only came on the scene after acknowledging the corruption that they saw. There was more to the story but basically, this is it.

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Feb 20, 2019 01:55:12   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
maximus wrote:
May I just step in here? The word protestant derives from those who protested the Bible being read in Latin, a language that most people didn't understand. Also at least in the middle ages, the RCC got rich off it's parishioners. Royality used the church to get rid of their unmarrirable daughters as nuns and were pretty much just slaves.
Henry the VIII found out that the Cardinal Thomas Wosley had a better house than he did and took it away him, so he was doing alright. ( This is from a book I have and if you want, I'll look this up)
These are historical facts as far as I know. The printing press helped bring about the protestants, because they could read the words for themselves, although many could still not read in any language, they DID understand spoken English.
The middle ages were a time of corruption for the RCC, and Wosley was a prime example.
I posted not to upset you but to balance your views as you seem to have particular hatred for protestants, and they only came on the scene after acknowledging the corruption that they saw. There was more to the story but basically, this is it.
May I just step in here? The word protestant deriv... (show quote)


Hi friend David...

Hope you are well...

We just got hit by a warm spell...Lots of slush..

This is an interesting take on the Protestant Reformation... And I agree that the invention of the printing press contributed greatly to it...

God bless you for trying to make peace...
The Lord knows that there is enough division amongst His children already....

I saw on another thread that you have considered leaving the OPP...
I would miss you... You are an exceptionally decent person... Adament in your convictions, quick to reconcile, and willing to share in the friendship of others...
Hope you stay...

Your friend, Kyle

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Feb 20, 2019 05:49:48   #
Radiance3
 
maximus wrote:
May I just step in here? The word protestant derives from those who protested the Bible being read in Latin, a language that most people didn't understand. Also at least in the middle ages, the RCC got rich off it's parishioners. Royality used the church to get rid of their unmarrirable daughters as nuns and were pretty much just slaves.
Henry the VIII found out that the Cardinal Thomas Wosley had a better house than he did and took it away him, so he was doing alright. ( This is from a book I have and if you want, I'll look this up)
These are historical facts as far as I know. The printing press helped bring about the protestants, because they could read the words for themselves, although many could still not read in any language, they DID understand spoken English.
The middle ages were a time of corruption for the RCC, and Wosley was a prime example.
I posted not to upset you but to balance your views as you seem to have particular hatred for protestants, and they only came on the scene after acknowledging the corruption that they saw. There was more to the story but basically, this is it.
May I just step in here? The word protestant deriv... (show quote)

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Past unproven exaggerated narratives. Thank you. Both sides had their own failures.

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Feb 20, 2019 12:32:07   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Hi friend David...

Hope you are well...

We just got hit by a warm spell...Lots of slush..

This is an interesting take on the Protestant Reformation... And I agree that the invention of the printing press contributed greatly to it...

God bless you for trying to make peace...
The Lord knows that there is enough division amongst His children already....

I saw on another thread that you have considered leaving the OPP...
I would miss you... You are an exceptionally decent person... Adament in your convictions, quick to reconcile, and willing to share in the friendship of others...
Hope you stay...

Your friend, Kyle
Hi friend David... br br Hope you are well... br ... (show quote)


Hi there, Kyle,
If you'll read my follow up on that post, you'll see that I won't leave, and I explain why. Thank you so much for an uplifting opinion about me. Very kind.
BTW...we are getting deluged with rain...rain...rain!!!

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Feb 20, 2019 21:32:50   #
Doc110 Loc: York PA
 
Wow, Rose...

ROSE you are "Stacking the Deck" - With your continued Anti-Catholic Historical Church Fallacy Lies" from your Berean Church.[/b]

Matthew 5:17-18
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets;

I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

Revelation 22:18-19
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book:

If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

Warning... COMPOST Alert..., COMPOST Alert..., COMPOST Alert..., COMPOST Alert..., COMPOST Alert...


ROSE42, is fabricating "LIE's" and should be held accountable for "LYING."

As well as her "Lying" Berean Church for "POSTING" Anti-Catholic and anti-Christian "PROPAGANDA" on the OnePoliticalPlaza.com - Forum !!!



Rose you are the "Purveyor of False Christian HISTORY, TRUTH" and actual Documents that are common knowledge had you done the research... you would not look so foolish.

As I've continued to say to you, you look like a "Child," and continue to look "Childish."

1. All OPP people on this post thread, "Please Read" the Wikipedia encyclopedia information on this website which is the Christian consensus on the "Development of the Christian Biblical Canon" from the Catholic Church.

a. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_the_Christian_biblical_canon.

b. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_the_New_Testament_canon

Had you read even read the Wikipedia encyclopedia post.

"Development of the Christian Biblical Canon"

From the Catholic Church you now have ridiculed yourself, you would have shut-up, and then not look like a major Berean Church SIMPLETON.............


Rose you are in serious need for "Help for LYING," and you're "CONTINUING TO LYING, ON THE OPP FORUM about CHRISTIANS and LYING about the Catholic Church.

This is so... SHAMEFUL... SHAMEFUL... SHAMEFUL... SHAMEFUL... SHAMEFUL... SHAMEFUL ! ! !



Danger... Danger... LYING COMPOST ALERT,... LYING COMPOST ALERT,... LYING COMPOST ALERT, !!!


Decretum Gelasianum and damasine
The Decree of the Council of Rome (AD 382) on the Canon of Scripture during the reign of Pope Damasus I (AD 366–384) reads thus:

Development of the Christian biblical canon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Development_of_the_Christian_biblical_canon

Matthew 5:18 ESV
For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

Luke 16:17
But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void.

2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,

2 Peter 1:21
For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.

Luke 24:44
Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”

John 10:35
If he called them gods to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be broken—


Now indeed we must treat of the divine Scriptures, what the universal Catholic Church accepts and what she ought to shun.

The order of the Old Testament begins here:
1. Genesis one book,
2. Exodus one book,
3. Leviticus one book,
4. Numbers one book,
5. Deuteronomy one book,
6. Josue Nave one book,
7. Judges one book,
8. Ruth one book,
9 Kings four books,
10. Paralipomenon [i.e. Chronicles] two books,
11. Psalms one book,
12. Solomon three books,
13. Proverbs one book,
14. Ecclesiastes one book,
15. Canticle of Canticles one book,
16. Likewise Wisdom one book,
17. Ecclesiasticus [i.e. Sirach] one book.
Total: 22


Likewise the order of the Prophets.
18. Isaias one book,
19. Jeremias one book,
20. With Ginoth, that is, with his Lamentations one book,
21 Ezechiel one book,
22. Daniel one book,
23. Osee one book,
24. Amos one book,
25. Micheas one book,
26. Joel one book,
27. Abdias one book,
28. Jonas one book,
29. Nahum one book,
30. Habacuc one book,
31. Sophonias one book,
32. Aggeus one book,
33. Zacharias one book,
34. Malachias one book.
Total books 17


Likewise the order of the histories.
35. Job one book,
36. Tobias one book,
37. Esdras two books [i.e. Ezra & Nehemiah],
38. Esther one book,
39. Judith one book,
40. Machabees two books.
Total Books 8.
Grand Total Old Testament Books 46


Likewise the order of the writings of the New and Eternal Testament, which only the holy and Catholic Church supports.

Of the Gospels, according to:
1. Matthew one book,
2. According to Mark one book,
3. According to Luke one book,
4. According to John one book.
Total Books 4

The Epistles of Paul the Apostle in number fourteen.
5. To the Romans one,
6. To the Corinthians two,
7. To the Ephesians one,
8. To the Thessalonians two,
9. To the Galatians one,
10. To the Philippians one,
11. To the Colossians one,
12. To Timothy two,
13. To Titus one,
14. Tto Philemon one,
15. To the Hebrews one.
Total Books 14

Likewise the
16. Apocalypse of John, one book.
17. And the Acts of the Apostles one book.
Total Books 2

Likewise the canonical epistles in number seven.
18. Of Peter the Apostle two epistles,
19. Of James the Apostle one epistle,
20. Of John the Apostle one epistle,
21. of another John, the presbyter, two epistles,
22. Of Jude the Zealut, the Apostle one epistle.
Total Books 7
Grand Total, New Testament Books 27
A council probably held at Rome in 382 under St. Damasus gave a complete list of the canonical books of both the Old Testament and the New Testament (also known as the 'Gelasian Decree' because it was reproduced by Gelasius in 495), which is identical with the list given at Trent.


Historian William Jurgens writes:
The first part of this decree has long been known as the Decree of Damasus, and concerns the Holy Spirit and the seven-fold gifts.

The second part of the decree is more familiarly known as the opening part of the Gelasian Decree, in regard to the canon of Scripture: De libris recipiendis vel non recipiendis.

It is now commonly held that the part of the Gelasian Decree dealing with the accepted canon of Scripture is an authentic work of the Council of Rome of 382 A.D. and that Gelasius edited it again at the end of the fifth century, adding to it the catalog of the rejected books, the apocrypha.

It is now almost universally accepted that these parts one and two of the Decree of Damasus are authentic parts of the Acts of the Council of Rome of 382 A.D.

Development of the Christian biblical canon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Development_of_the_Christian_biblical_canon

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Feb 20, 2019 21:40:56   #
Morgan
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Quote:
"Satan is abound on earth to torment human and women souls"

Are you saying that women aren't human?
Sounds pretty misogynistic to me...

Jesus doesn't judge us.... John 12:47...

My mother-in-law is a great woman...
But God wouldn't enjoy all the unwanted advice...
Quote: br "Satan is abound on earth to tormen... (show quote)


Funny you asked this question, glad you did, of course you know it immediately popped up into my head.

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Feb 20, 2019 22:03:58   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Morgan wrote:
Funny you asked this question, glad you did, of course you know it immediately popped up into my head.


One thing both of us can agree on is that many religions have been used as control mechanisms on various portions of the community/population...

In the Abrahamic religions women are certainly considered unequal to men....

Which is interesting to me... Seeing as how we were created in God's image... And He (yes I see the irony) is genderless..
Souls are genderless as well I believe....
Heaven is going to be weird...

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Feb 21, 2019 00:07:32   #
Doc110 Loc: York PA
 
Listen Simpleton Texacan,

Think and learn Christian history and Catholic Church history.

Stop being moronic, in you're Protestant, Man-Made belief of Sola Scriptura... ("The Bible Only") From Martin Luther.

Here is your Protestant Argument;

A. Protestant Sola scriptura meant, "Rejecting the infallible authority given to the Catholic Church magisterium to interpret both oral, written scripture and tradition.

B. The Liturgy is something the Catholic Church has adopted and adapted from the synagogue because of its benefit to the good order of the church, and good order in the church is a good reason to do something.

C. You can say then our position is, if it contradicts the Bible we ain’t doing it.

Similarly The Catholic Church.

Sola scriptura does not reject church at all, or that church grows and develops. It rejects, rather, those things that have come along with the church’s growth and development that contradict what’s in the Bible.

D. One such would be some of the Roman church’s ideas as to the nature and extent of its authority. And, if these are indeed contrary to Scripture, one does not reject the church, but in fact upholds it, to deny them.

E. You can say then our position is, the church has said these are the books and no other on which you can rely and on whose truths the church is built.

F. Then it quit relying on them and its truths as the norm for all else, and we simply recall the Catholic Church to fidelity to its own book e.g.the Bible, that it declares faithful to God’s truth.

I. Sola scriptura does not mean “Only Scripture”.
https://scecclesia.wordpress.com/2009/03/09/the-origin-of-sola-scriptura/

It is a type of construction in Latin called an "Ablative of means," a way to state the means by which an agent does an action. It is translated “by Scripture alone”.
2. It does not mean, if you have Scripture you don’t need anything else.
3. It also does not mean. If it ain’t in the Bible we ain’t doing it.
4. There are those later in the Reformation to whom it does mean that, and many in our time likewise, and we reject that.

Scripture teaches us the value of Tradition; and from Tradition we learn that all the Church’s dogmas are to be founded in the Divine Words. It’s a quite reciprocal relationship.

For 502 years Protestant sola Scriptura however, does ignore and rejects Catholic Christian history, Catholic Oral and Written tradition's, when seeking to understand or interpreting the Bible.

We have actual words, verses and books of the spoken word, of Jesus Christ's instructions, teachings, the Apostles instructions and teachings... and the Early Church Fathers instructions and teaching which has not changed from the orodox Christian Catholic Church for 1,987 years.


TexaCan, what is wrong with you ?

You do not know your Ancient Biblical Catholic Church History...


For me, that has to be the most "Religious ignorant Christian baptist statement... I've ever heard in my life... from a baptist person of Faith.

Quote TexaCan; If we stole the Sola Scriptura from your Catholic Church and it is Man-Made as you claim.

Go to go this website, The Catholic Church Fathers. What Jesus, the 12 Apostles and the Church Fathers Taught and is Recorded:
https://www.churchfathers.org/the-sacrifice-of-the-mass/

According to Church tradition, the history of the Catholic Church begins with Jesus Christ and his teachings (c. 4 BC – AD 30-33) and Jesus's Catholic Church is a continuation of the early Christian community established by Jesus, and who never taught "Sola Scriptura..."

According to Catholic tradition, the Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ. The New Testament aren a record of Jesus' activities Instructions and teaching, his appointment of the twelve Apostles, and his instructions to them to continue his work, and who never taught "Sola Scriptura"... Nor did the 12 Apostles and the Early Church Patristic Fathers, never taught "Sola Scriptura..."

The Christian Old Testament Bible overlaps with the Hebrew Bible and the Greek Septuagint; the Hebrew Bible is known in Judaism as the Tanakh. The Christian Catholic New Testament Bible is a collection of writings by early Christians, the Gospels, and Apostle letters is believed to be mostly Jewish disciples of Christ, written in first-century Koine Greek, and who never taught "Sola Scriptura".... Nor was taught by the Ancient Catholic Church."

It is recorded in Matthew 16:18-19 that Jesus first founded his Universal Catholic Church, and gave authority, and the "Keys to his Church given to Peter and which is binding on Earth and Heaven." That the disciples of Jesus Christ were first called Christians Acts of the Apostles 11:19-26.

Jesus promised Peter in the "Rock of My Church," Jesus's dialogue in Matthew 16:18 a special position in the Church. He is traditionally counted as the first Bishop of Rome‍—‌or pope‍—‌and also by Eastern Christian tradition as the first Patriarch of Antioch.

The Catholic Church has traditionally claimed a unique leadership role for the Apostle Peter, believed to have been named by Jesus as head of the Apostles and as a focus of their unity, who became the first Bishop of Rome, and whose successors inherited "Apostolic Succession," the role and becoming the leaders of the worldwide Universal-Catholic Church.

The history of Christianity concerns the Christian religion, Christendom, and the Church with its various denominations, from the 1st century to the present. The Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Christianity spread to all of Europe in the Middle Ages, and who never taught "Sola Scriptura...."

The Christian Church originated in Roman Judea in the first century AD, founded on the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, who first gathered 12 disciples. Those disciples later became known as "Christians"; according to Scripture, Jesus commanded them to spread his teachings to all the world, and who never taught "Sola Scriptura...."

Who founded Christianity? Ancient (before AD 500)

Name Religious tradition founded Life of founder
Jesus (and the Twelve Apostles) Catholic Christianity 4 B.C, – 30/33 A.D.
Paul the Apostle Pauline Catholic Christianity 46 A.D. - martyrdom 67 A.D.
James the Just Catholic Jewish Christianity 33 A.D - martyrdom 62 or 69


What are the four pillars of the Catholic Church are: "Creed, Prayer, Sacraments, Morality." The Catechism of the Catholic Church is divided into four sections or parts.

Christian Catholic Dogmas, regulate the language, how the truth of the resurrection is to be believed and communicated. One dogma is only a small part of the Christian faith, from which it derives its meaning. A dogma of the Catholic Church is defined as "a truth revealed by God, which the magisterium of the Church declared as binding."

The Catholic Church bases all of its infallible teachings on sacred tradition and sacred scripture. ... A teaching of ordinary and universal Magisterium is a teaching of which all bishops (including the Pope's, Biblical Teaching) universally agree on and is also considered infallible.

Scripture and Tradition in the teaching of the Catholic Church
https://scecclesia.wordpress.com/2009/03/11/scripture-and-tradition-in-the-teaching-of-the-catholic-church/

The Four Marks of the Catholic Church, also known as the Attributes of the Church, is a term describing four distinctive adjectives—"One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic" — of oral and written Tradition Christian ecclesiology as expressed in the Nicene - Constantinopolitan Creed completed at the First Council of Constantinople in AD 381:

Catholic Church. The Catholic Church sees the Mass or Eucharist as "the source and summit of the Christian life", to which the other sacraments are oriented. The Catholic Church believes that the Mass is exactly the same sacrifice that Jesus Christ offered on the Cross at Calvary.

The Catechism is part of the Catholic Church's ordinary teaching authority. ... Its doctrinal authority is proper to the Catholic Church's, papal Magisterium… The Catechism presents Catholic doctrine as an organic whole and as it is related to Christ who is the center of the Catholic Church.

The Definition of Catechism. 1 : oral instruction. 2 : a manual for catechizing: Specifically: A summary of religious doctrine often in the form of questions and answers. 3a : a set of formal questions put as a test.

The Roman Catechism (or Catechism of the Council of Trent, published 1566) was commissioned during the Catholic Counter-Reformation by the Council of Trent, to expound doctrine and to improve the theological understanding of the clergy.

A Catechism or Christian Doctrine. Laurence Vaux, B.D., a Catholic martyr, first published his catechism, also called The Catechism of Laurence Vaux or Vaux's Catechism, in Louvain in 1567.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church (Latin: Catechismus Catholicae Ecclesiae; commonly called the Catechism or the CCC) is a catechism promulgated for the Catholic Church by Pope John Paul II in 1992. It sums up, in book form, the beliefs of the Catholic faithful.

Did the Early Christians Subscribe to Sola Scriptura? A Protestant Misunderstanding
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/did-the-early-christians-subscribe-to-sola-scriptura

The issue of authority remains the most fundamental source of division between Catholics and Protestants.

Mainline Protestants (Lutherans, Presbyterians, Anglicans, Episcopalians, Methodists, etc.) do not reject tradition or ecclesial authority;

Indeed, they have a high regard for both and believe that Scripture can only be interpreted correctly within the context of the creeds of the early Church.

The Four Catholic Creeds
Ecumenical and historic Christian creeds:
Creed Date Accepted by
1. Creed of Nicaea A.D. 325 Ecumenical Church
2. Nicene Creed (Nicaea-Constantinopolitan Creed), A.D. 381 Ecumenical Church
3. Chalcedonian Creed A.D. 451 Council of Chalcedon
4. Athanasian Creed A.D. 500 Western Christian denominations


However, Protestants believe that only Scripture, is exempt from the possibility of teaching error.

Consequently, when the Protestant senses a conflict between Scripture and the authoritative teachings of a church, he feels a moral obligation to go with (his interpretation of) Scripture.

Although sola Scriptura is difficult to define rigorously, this obligation is an essential aspect of the doctrine.


Learn something instead of spewing lies...

Sola Scriptura, is a Protestant "MAN-MADE - THEOLOGY."

“Faith in Scripture" rises or falls with only the faith in the Son Jesus Christ, The Father and the Holy Spirit.”

Revealed from heaven, the gospel message itself (Christ as the central content of Scripture) is as much the basis for the Catholic Church's "Oral Tradition and Written Tradition for the Bible’s authority, as the fact that it comes from the Father through the inspiration of the Spirit.


So, TexaCan,

1. Sola Scriptura. It is not found in the "Bible," scripturally...

2. Nor did Jesus Christ teach sola Scriptura, because the Bible was not codified and completed until A.D. 397 from the Catholic Church's, Oral and Written Traditions.

3. The Apostles did not teach sola Scriptura, and pass down Sola Scriptura.

4. Nor did the Early Church Patristic Fathers Teach sola Scriptura and pass down Sola Scriptura.

5. Nor has the Catholic Church, founded by Jesus Christ ever taught sola Scriptura.

6. Matrin Luther, made-up and invented sola Scriptura, because Sola Scriptura is not found in the "Bible," scripturally...

Martin Luther invented Sola-Scriptura, "Protestant self-Biblical-Interpertation."
Causing 47,000 thousand divisional and sectarian Protestant church's and 700,000,000 million, self-biblical-interpreting-mini-Pope's... on what the Bible says and teaches Christianity by Jesus Christ...


Matrin Luther, and then was purveyor of Sola-Scriptura and this theology was accepted by other Protestant Reformation leaders... for 502 years...


TexaCan wrote:
If we stole the Sola Scriptura from your Catholic Church and it is Man-Made as you claim...........
Then your Catholic Bible is Man-Made! EXPLAIN this! These are your words, your accusations!

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Feb 21, 2019 00:12:59   #
Doc110 Loc: York PA
 
Who are you to even Judge me,

Mad, you're grasping at straws in your delusional comments.

And how are you to Judge me on God's Salvation.

Again you're grasping at straws.

Sola Scriptura, a Man Made Theology.....

The Origin of "Sola Scriptura"?
https://scecclesia.wordpress.com/2009/03/09/the-origin-of-sola-scriptura/

maximus wrote:


Doc, Although you are mad at me and ignoring me from another thread, I have to say I agree with your post 100%.

Glad to see one who is NOT living by their own version of salvation, who respects God's plan.

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Feb 21, 2019 00:17:45   #
Doc110 Loc: York PA
 
maximus,

There has always been corruption, and reforms.

From the New Testament Bible, gospels, acts, and all the Letters and epistles to our present age.

Protestant as well as Catholic.

It is MAN who is CORRUPT's and not Jesus's Church.

maximus wrote:


May I just step in here?

The word protestant derives from those who protested the Bible being read in Latin, a language that most people didn't understand. Also at least in the middle ages, the RCC got rich off it's parishioners.

Royality used the church to get rid of their unmarrirable daughters as nuns and were pretty much just slaves.

Henry the VIII found out that the Cardinal Thomas Wosley had a better house than he did and took it away him, so he was doing alright.

(This is from a book I have and if you want, I'll look this up)

These are historical facts as far as I know.

The printing press helped bring about the protestants, because they could read the words for themselves, although many could still not read in any language, they DID understand spoken English.

The middle ages were a time of corruption for the RCC, and Wosley was a prime example.

I posted not to upset you but to balance your views as you seem to have particular hatred for protestants, and they only came on the scene after acknowledging the corruption that they saw.

There was more to the story but basically, this is it.
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Feb 21, 2019 00:30:52   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
Doc110 wrote:
maximus,

There has always been corruption, and reforms.

From the New Testament Bible, gospels, acts, and all the Letters and epistles to our present age.

Protestant as well as Catholic.

It is MAN who is CORRUPT's and not Jesus's Church.




I agree with you again 100%.

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