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Feb 18, 2019 18:00:52   #
Radiance3
 
Rose42 wrote:
It's a Christian apologetics site which puts Christ at the forefront where he should be. You never tire of making things up.

You are trying to refute documented fact with opinion and that never works.


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I did not make up Cardinal Newman's "To be Deep in History is to Cease to be a Protestant".
The URL source was posted. You just want to ignore it.

And why do you have 47,000 kinds of different pastors' interpretations ?
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/sbeale/just-how-many-protestant-denominations-are-there

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Feb 18, 2019 18:53:31   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Leviticus 19:11
11 “ ‘Do not steal. “ ‘Do not lie. “ ‘Do not deceive one another.

Man-made gospel deception! You are a chronic liar Rose42.
Feb 4, 2015 - Lying is a huge issue for many people, including Christian pastors. Read these ... And Judah is unruly against God, even against the faithful Holy One.
‎Proverbs 12:22 · ‎Leviticus 19:11 · ‎Proverbs 13:5 · ‎Proverbs 14:5

You are lying Rose42 just like these people.
Similarly to these 47,000 US and worldwide Richest Luther pastors. All their eyes are open looking for the glitters of Lucifer.

In addition to this: https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/investigations/article/Southern-Baptist-sexual-abuse-spreads-as-leaders-13588038.php
20 years, 700 victims: Southern Baptist sexual abuse spreads as leaders resist reforms

By Robert Downen, Lise Olsen, and John Tedesco
Published Feb. 10, 2019
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You claim that Rose is lying just like 47,000 pastors! How do you propose to know what 47,000 men preach or believe, or how much money they make preaching? What kind of Chrystal Ball do you use to ‘see’ all this information? Do you understand that this kind of extreme exaggeration is LYING 🤥!

You claim that Sola Scripture is man-made and at the same time, that it was stolen from your Catholic Church! Can you explain how both is true? It seems to me that you are saying the Catholic Church made up (man-made) the scriptures in the Bible and then those fake scriptures were stolen by Luther/Protestants !! What you claim is completely illogical!

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Feb 18, 2019 19:08:49   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
TexaCan wrote:
You claim that Rose is lying just like 47,000 pastors! How do you propose to know what 47,000 men preach or believe, or how much money they make preaching? What kind of Chrystal Ball do you use to ‘see’ all this information? Do you understand that this kind of extreme exaggeration is LYING 🤥!

You claim that Sola Scripture is man-made and at the same time, that it was stolen from your Catholic Church! Can you explain how both is true? It seems to me that you are saying the Catholic Church made up (man-made) the scriptures in the Bible and then those fake scriptures were stolen by Luther/Protestants !! What you claim is completely illogical!
You claim that Rose is lying just like 47,000 past... (show quote)


Nice curve ball there

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Feb 18, 2019 19:37:26   #
Radiance3
 
TexaCan wrote:
You claim that Rose is lying just like 47,000 pastors! How do you propose to know what 47,000 men preach or believe, or how much money they make preaching? What kind of Chrystal Ball do you use to ‘see’ all this information? Do you understand that this kind of extreme exaggeration is LYING 🤥!

You claim that Sola Scripture is man-made and at the same time, that it was stolen from your Catholic Church! Can you explain how both is true? It seems to me that you are saying the Catholic Church made up (man-made) the scriptures in the Bible and then those fake scriptures were stolen by Luther/Protestants !! What you claim is completely illogical!
You claim that Rose is lying just like 47,000 past... (show quote)


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Do you know how to read? All your questions were addressed on the prior posts. I am tired of repeating things to your brain.

You keep on repeating, and you will arrive at the same answers.

You can talk as much as you want, but the history does not change the facts.
Sola Scriptura was created during the 16th century. The Catholic church of Christ was created more than 1,987 years ago. Christ created only ONE Gospel thru His Catholic Church under St Peter.
Matthew 16:18-20. Christ commanded only "one" interpretation of the Gospel, thru Saint Peter.

Example: http://www.ncregister.com/blog/sbeale/just-how-many-protestant-denominations-are-there
Why do you have 47,000 Sola Scriptura interpretations worldwide? Each one of them has different motives, like financial gains, and for power.

You have thousands of multimillionaire, and billionaires selling the Scriptures of Christ to the people, called "seed money". The poor people worldwide are mostly the victims. They give the last of what they have thinking it is for God. But those money accumulates o fast in the bank accounts of pastors. Google them and thousands of their fat faces will come out.

Most recent one is a CALVINIST named Matt Slick.
https://carm.org/matt-slick
Matt Slick is President and Founder of the Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry. He started in 1995, but now owns billions of dollars. His ministry is not even a Christian Church.

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Feb 18, 2019 19:46:52   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Ladies.... Agree to disagree...

One day we will all get the opportunity to ask God firsthand...

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Feb 19, 2019 00:57:33   #
Doc110 Loc: York PA
 
flash,

You are so confused... Where do you come up with this nonsense beliefs ... of yours...

Matthew 16:18-19
18 I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.
19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven."


If you want to know what the Catholic Early Church Fathers had to say about the Papacy: Go here.
https://www.churchfathers.org/the-sacrifice-of-the-mass/


Christ made Peter the leader of the apostles and of the church (Matthew 16:18-19).

In giving Peter the “keys of the kingdom,” Christ not only made him leader, but also made him infallible when he acted or spoke as Christ’s representative on earth (speaking from the seat of authority on what the Church teaches, or “ex cathedra”).

This ability to act on behalf of the church in an infallible way when speaking “ex cathedra” was passed on to Peter’s successors.

Peter later became the first bishop of Rome. As bishop of Rome, he exercised authority over all other bishops and church leaders. The teaching that the bishop of Rome is above all other bishops in authority is referred to as the “primacy” of the Roman bishop.

Peter passed on his apostolic authority to the next bishop of Rome, along with the other apostles who passed on their apostolic authority to the bishops that they ordained. These new bishops, in turn, passed on that apostolic authority to those bishops that they later ordained, and so on. This “passing on of apostolic authority” is referred to as “apostolic succession.”

Based upon the claim of an unbroken chain of Roman bishops, Roman Catholics teach that the Roman Catholic Church is the true church, and that all churches that do not accept the primacy of the pope have broken away from them, the original and one true church Founded by Jesus Christ.

And you are so anti-Catholic predictive...


Heed this quotation below.

Fulton J. Sheen said:There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church,... but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be...


All authority in Heaven and Earth, the sovereignty of Jesus and his unstoppable mission.

So let’s begin with a massive statement from Jesus about his sovereign rule over this world and over his mission in Matthew 28:18–20.

Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”


Now Lets talk about Authority and the Authority given to Jesus and his Church and to Peter the Steward of the Church founded by Jesus Christ.

“Did Jesus, not always have this authority even in eternity past?”

John 1:1–4
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men.[/b]

Matthew 11:27
All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

John 3:35
The Father loves the Son and has given all things into his hand.

John 13:3
Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he had come from God and was going back to God . . . knelt down and washed the apostles’ feet.

Ephesians 1:20–21
God raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come.

John 17:2
Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son that the Son may glorify you, since you have given him authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him.


So how extensive is that authority and that rule — “All authority in heaven and earth has been given to me”? Here are biblical sightings of that authority.

John 1:3
“All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.”

Hebrews 1:3
“He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power.”

Colossians 1:17
“He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.”

Luke 8:25
“Who then is this [the apostles cried], that he commands even winds and water, and they obey him?”

Revelation 17:14
John calls him King over all kings. “They will make war on the Lamb, and the Lamb will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those with him are called and chosen and faithful.”


[u]Learn something about the usage of Church in the Bible.(Below)

There are several good answers below regarding the history of the word “church” in the English New Testament.

1. The New Testament authors had precedent for using the Greek word Ecclesia—the Greek Septuagint translation of the Hebrew Old Testament, which predated Christianity 250 A.D.

2. A lot of the confusion arises because of the derivation of the English word Church from Old German (modern German uses kirche), which in turn is derived from the Greek kuriakos.

3. The Septuagint used ecclesia to translate the Hebrew word qahal, which referred to the assembly or congregation of people, specifically of Israel.

4. So, it’s like this …
a. kuriakos (Greek) → kirche (German) → church (English)
b. qahal (Hebrew) → ecclesia (Greek) → ecclesia (Latin) → iglesia (Spanish and similar for other Romance languages)

5. Usage of "Church" occurs 77 times in 76 verses.

Mat 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Mat 18:17
And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Act 2:47
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Act 5:11
And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.

Act 7:38
This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

Learn Anything, flash...


flash wrote:


If you're saying that St. Peter founded the Catholic Church are you saying that he was the 1st Pope?

If so let me remind you that St. Peter was a married man.

The Pope is simply a human being just like the rest of us with no authority to change anything.

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Feb 19, 2019 01:12:23   #
Doc110 Loc: York PA
 
flash,

Quotation, I follow the BIBLE I DON'T add to it or take away from it.

Hummmm,
Sounds a lot like Sola Scriptura -
(Latin: by scripture alone) the Bible alone - Latin translation.


Hummmm,

What is the Protestant Martin Luther's definition and reference on what Sola Scriptura is ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sola_scriptura

Sola Scriptura, is a theological doctrine held by Protestant Christian denominations that the Christian scriptures are the sole infallible rule of faith and practice in using the Bible.

While the scriptures,' Canon-Bible meaning is mediated through many kinds of secondary authority, such as the ordinary teaching offices of a denominated church, the ecumenical creeds, the councils of the catholic church, Oral and written Tradition because the Bible had not ben codified until A.D. 397.


Sola Scriptura, on the other hand, rejects any original infallible authority other than the Bible.

In this view, all secondary authority is derived from the authority of the scriptures and is therefore subject to reform when compared to the teaching of the Bible.

Church councils, preachers, Bible commentators, private revelation, or even a message allegedly from an angel or an apostle are not an original authority alongside the Bible in the sola scriptura approach ? What ?

Sola scriptura is a formal principle of many Protestant Christian denominations, and one of the five solae.

It was a foundational doctrinal principle of the Protestant Reformation held by many of the Reformers, who taught that authentication of scripture is governed by the discernible excellence of the text as well as the personal witness of the Holy Spirit to the heart of each man.

Some evangelical and Baptist denominations state the doctrine of sola scriptura more strongly:

Scripture is self-authenticating, clear (perspicuous) to the rational reader, their own interpreter of ("Scripture interprets Scripture"), and sufficient of itself to be the final authority of Christian doctrine.

By contrast, Anglicanism and Methodism, also considered forms of Protestantism.

Uphold the doctrine of prima scriptura, with scripture being illumined by tradition, reason, and in Methodism, experience as well, thus completing the four sides of the Wesleyan Quadrilateral.

The Eastern Orthodox Church holds that to "accept the books of the canon is also to accept the ongoing Spirit-led authority of the church's tradition, which recognizes, interprets, worships, and corrects itself by the witness of Holy Scripture".

The Catholic Church regards the apostolic preaching and writing (referred to as tradition and scripture respectively) as equal since they believe that many of their traditions also came from the Apostles.

The Catholic Church describes this as "one common source ... with two distinct modes of transmission", while some Protestant authors call it "a dual source of revelation".[7]


flash wrote:
You're right.
No one is stopping me from the truth.
Just where did you come up with this sola scripture anyway.
I follow the BIBLE I DON'T add to it or take away from it.
I look at the culture when it was written (man's sinful nature hasn't changed) and I look at the languages used and look up meanings.
But most of all I pray and when I feel lost I depend on the HOLY SPIRIT to take my prayers to the FATHER. Rom 8:26-27.

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Feb 19, 2019 01:20:37   #
Doc110 Loc: York PA
 
rose42,

You only gave your Barean Church URL website rhetoric,... and your Berean Churches false theology, philosophy facts.

I gave the consensus of Scholarly Consensus against your Berean Church heretical false history.

You stand alone in your opinions of millions that can recite history against your false historical teaching and your Berean's anti-Catholic sentiments and hate speech against the Catholic Church...


The only person who is lying is you.

May God protect your soul for lying...

Rose42 wrote:
Oh yes I did post links Doc. Links that can be verified. You never look at them - you pretend they don't exist. Instead of lying about what I post you should research more thoroughly. Here's a place you can start. It has numerous cross references and mention of Catholic historians that support forgeries.http://www.bereanpublishers.com/forged-documents-and-papal-power/

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Feb 19, 2019 01:26:18   #
Doc110 Loc: York PA
 
rose42,

Just admit it you are a Anti-Catholic Bigot and hates the Catholic Church and the people like Radiance3, Padre Mike and myself, who defend the Catholic Church from your vehement lies and continual onslaughts of nasty anti-Catholic Rhetoric.

You are also a Religious Stalker, now that I have been Kicked off the OPP Religious Forum.

You are a very wrong, an argumentative person.

Please seek some spiritual help, for your continued evil against myself, Radiance3 and the Catholic on this OPP Forum...

Amen, Amen, Let it be so, I believe, Amen, Amen...

Rose42 wrote:


Same author on different sites does not a rebuttal make. Especially considering Dave Armstrong is weak on biblical doctrine. I've read a lot of his stuff.

Instead of trying to attack the author - and Dave Armstrong fails in his attempt - you should actually look at the material cited and think for yourself.

Also cited is Peter de Rosa who is a Catholic and former Catholic priest. He was able to research Vatican archives which revealed acknowledgement of forgeries.

If you look at sources it lists more Catholics - not protestants. There are other sites as well which list the forgeries. The Catholic church has acknowledged some of them.

Remember this isn't trying to say all protestants are perfect. They have their own garbage in their history.
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Feb 19, 2019 01:54:29   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Doc110 wrote:
rose42,

Just admit it you are a Anti-Catholic Bigot and hates the Catholic Church and the people like Radiance3, Padre Mike and myself, who defend the Catholic Church from your vehement lies and continual onslaughts of nasty anti-Catholic Rhetoric.

You are also a Religious Stalker, now that I have been Kicked off the OPP Religious Forum.

You are a very wrong, an argumentative person.

Please seek some spiritual help, for your continued evil against myself, Radiance3 and the Catholic on this OPP Forum...

Amen, Amen, Let it be so, I believe, Amen, Amen...
rose42, br br Just admit it you are a Anti-Cathol... (show quote)



Hi Doc... Hope you are well...

Quick question...

We can be kicked off a particular section of the OPP... How?

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Feb 19, 2019 02:00:23   #
Doc110 Loc: York PA
 
Canuckus Deploracus,

Yes,

I think there is the three strike rules for the OPP Main Forum, and General Chit-chat.

Also there are the private forums; Such as the OPP FRS form.

Which I complained, privately to the Forum Administrator and the co-proctor, for complaining publicly on the OPP FRS and Main forum.

When the Continued OPP FRS anti Catholic ranting reached its peak, in September-December 18, 2018.

And restarted the same anti-Catholic routine 45 days later in February, 8, 2019.

And I complained.

Doc



Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Hi Doc... Hope you are well...

Quick question...

We can be kicked off a particular section of the OPP... How?

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Feb 19, 2019 02:05:22   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Doc110 wrote:
Canuckus Deploracus,

Yes,

I think there is the three strike rules for the OPP Main Forum, and General Chit-chat.

Also there are the private forums; Such as the OPP FRS form.

Which I complained, privately to the Forum Administrator and the co-proctor, for complaining publicly on the OPP FRS and Main forum.

When the Continued OPP FRS anti Catholic ranting reached its peak, in September-December 18, 2018.

And restarted the same anti-Catholic routine 45 days later in February, 8, 2019.

And I complained.

Doc
Canuckus Deploracus, br br Yes, br br I think th... (show quote)


I knew one could be kicked off/ suspended from the OPP...
But not from particular sections...

I appreciate the work you put into answering my questions... And I have been doing some research into the history of Catholicism... Very interesting...

Could you explain why the seven books that the Protestants removed from the Bible were chosen by Martin Luther for removal? I understand he wanted to remove several more as well... Thanks

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Feb 19, 2019 02:11:21   #
Doc110 Loc: York PA
 
Canuckus Deploracus,

If you want to know what the Catholic Early Church Fathers had to say about the Papacy and so much more:

Go here.
https://www.churchfathers.org/the-sacrifice-of-the-mass/

Martins Luthers Prerogatives:

Yes he wanted to remove so much more.

Will send information and articles...

THE DIDACHE
“Assemble on the Lord’s day, and break bread and offer the Eucharist;

But first make confession of your faults, so that your sacrifice may be a pure one.

Anyone who has a difference with his fellow is not to take part with you until he has been reconciled, so as to avoid any profanation of your sacrifice.
Matt. 5:23–24

For this is the offering of which the Lord has said, ‘Everywhere and always bring me a sacrifice that is undefiled, for I am a great king, says the Lord, and my name is the wonder of nations.’
Mal 1:11, 14”
(Didache 14 A.D. 70.

Got to get some sleep...

Doc110

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Feb 19, 2019 02:14:20   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Doc110 wrote:
Canuckus Deploracus,

If you want to know what the Catholic Early Church Fathers had to say about the Papacy and so much more:

Go here.
https://www.churchfathers.org/the-sacrifice-of-the-mass/

Martins Luthers Prerogatives:

Yes he wanted to remove so much more.

Will send information and articles...

Got to get some sleep...

Doc110


Have a good rest... And thanks again...

I will check out the website..

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Feb 19, 2019 08:59:38   #
Rose42
 
Doc110 wrote:
rose42,

You only gave your Barean Church URL website rhetoric,... and your Berean Churches false theology, philosophy facts.

I gave the consensus of Scholarly Consensus against your Berean Church heretical false history.

You stand alone in your opinions of millions that can recite history against your false historical teaching and your Berean's anti-Catholic sentiments and hate speech against the Catholic Church...


The only person who is lying is you.

May God protect your soul for lying...
rose42, br br You only gave your Barean Church UR... (show quote)


No Doc. You gave me Catholic dogma not bible scholars consensus. Biblical scholars chose 66 books, not Luther or any other one man. I've read a lot of Catholic dogma - you however, only read Catholic dogma.

Mormons, Muslims and others also have what they call facts to support their religions.

In the bible the Bereans were to be admired so you are actually paying me a compliment.

The truth is simple and the Catholic church has spent much effort in trying to cover it up. Falsehoods are usually more complicated than truth. I will note again - before you say it - that none of this means a Catholic can't be saved. That is up to God alone.

Edward Denny gives the following historical summary of these forgeries and their use by Thomas Aquinas:

As the Pseudo-Isidorian Decretals were by no means the first, so they were not the last forgeries in the interests of the advancement of the Papal system. Gratian himself, in addition to using the forged Decretals and the fabrications of others who preceded him, had incorporated also into the Decretum fresh corruptions of his own with that object, but amongst such forgeries a catena of spurious passages from the Greek Fathers and Councils, put forth in the thirteenth century, had probably, next to the Pseudo-lsidorian Decretals, the widest influence in this direction.

The object of this forgery was as follows: The East had been separated from the West since the excommunication by Pope Leo IX of Michael Cerularius, the Patriarch of Constantinople, and that of the former by the latter in July 1054, in which the other Eastern Patriarchs concurred. The Latins, especially the Dominicans, who had established themselves in the East, made strenuous efforts to induce the Easterns to submit to the Papacy. The great obstacle in the way of their success was the fact that the Orientals knew nothing of such claims as those which were advanced by the Roman Bishops. In their belief the highest rank in the Hierarchy of the Church was that of Patriarch. This was clearly expressed by the Patrician Babanes at the Council of Constantinople, 869. ‘God,’ he said, ‘hath placed His Church in the five patriarchates, and declared in His Gospel that they should never utterly fail, because they are the heads of the Church. For that saying, “and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it,” meaneth this, when two fall they run to three; when three fall they run to two; but when four perchance have fallen, one, which remains in Christ our God, the Head of all, calls back again the remaining body of the Church.”

They were ignorant of any autocratic power residing jure divino in the Bishop of Rome. They regarded Latin authors with suspicions as the fautors of the unprimitive claims of the Bishop of Old Rome; hence if they were to be persuaded that the Papalist pretensions were Catholic, and thus induced to recognise them, the only way would be to produce evidence provided ostensibly from Greek sources. Accordingly a Latin theologian drew up a sort of Thesaurus Graecorum Patrum, in which, amongst genuine extracts from Greek Fathers, lie mingled spurious passages purporting to be taken from various Councils and writings of Fathers, notably St. Chrysostom, St. Cyril of Alexandria, and Maximus the Abbot.

This work was laid before Urban IV, who was deceived by it. He was thus able to use it in his correspondence with the Emperor, Michael Palaeologus, to prove that from ‘the Apostolic throne of the Roman Pontiffs it was to be sought what was to be held, or what was to be believed, since it is his right to lay down, to ordain, to disprove, to command, to loose and to bind in the place of Him who appointed him, and delivered and granted to no one else but him alone what is supreme. To this throne also all Catholics bend the head by divine law, and the primates of the world confessing the true faith are obedient and turn their thoughts as if to Jesus Christ Himself, and regard him as the Sun, and from Him receive the light of truth to the salvation of souls according as the genuine writers of some of the Holy Fathers, both Greek and others, firmly assert.”
Urban, moreover, sent this work to St. Thomas Aquinas…The testimony of these extracts was to him of great value, as he believed that he had in them irrefragable proof that the great Eastern theologians, such as St. Chrysostom, St. Cyril of Alexandria, and the Fathers of the Councils of Constantinople and Chalcedon, recognised the monarchical position of the Pope as ruling the whole Church with absolute power. Consequently he made use of these fraudulent documents in all honesty in setting forth the prerogatives of the Papacy. The grave result followed that, through his authority, the errors which he taught on the subject of the Papacy were introduced into the schools, fortified by the testimony of these fabrications, and thus were received as undoubted truth, whence resulted consequences which can hardly be fully estimated.
It was improbable that the Greeks, who had ample means of discovering the real character of these forgeries, should finally accept them and the teaching based on them; but in the West itself there were no theologians competent to expose the fraud, so that these forgeries were naturally held to be of weighty authority. The high esteem attached to the writings of St. Thomas was an additional reason why this should be the case (Edward Denny, Papalism (London: Rivingtons, 1912), pp. 114-117).

Von Döllinger elaborates on the far reaching influence of these forgeries, especially in their association with the authority of Aquinas, on succeeding generations of theologians and their extensive use as a defense of the papacy:

In theology, from the beginning of the fourteenth century, the spurious passages of St. Cyril and forged canons of Councils maintained their ground, being guaranteed against all suspicion by the authority of St. Thomas. Since the work of Trionfo in 1320, up to 1450, it is remarkable that no single new work appeared in the interests of the Papal system. But then the contest between the Council of Basle and Pope Eugenius IV evoked the work of Cardinal Torquemada, besides some others of less importance. Torquemada’s argument, which was held up to the time of Bellarmine to be the most conslusive apology of the Papal system, rests entirely on fabrications later than the pseudo-Isidore, and chiefly on the spurious passages of St. Cyril. To ignore the authority of St. Thomas is, according to the Cardinal, bad enough, but to slight the testimony of St. Cyril is intolerable. The Pope is infallible; all authority of other bishops is borrowed or derived frorn his. Decisions of Councils without his assent are null and void. These fundamental principles of Torquemada are proved by spurious passages of Anacletus, Clement, the Council of Chalcedon, St. Cyril, and a mass of forged or adulterated testimonies. In the times of Leo X and Clement III, the Cardinals Thomas of Vio, or Cajetan, and Jacobazzi, followed closely in his footsteps. Melchior Canus built firmly on the authority of Cyril, attested by St. Thomas, and so did Bellarmine and the Jesuits who followed him. Those who wish to get a bird’s–eye view of the extent to which the genuine tradition of Church authority was still overlaid and obliterated by the rubbish of later inventions and forgeries about 1563, when the Loci of Canus appeared, must read the fifth book of his work. It is indeed still worse fifty years later in this part of Bellarmine’s work. The difference is that Canus was honest in his belief, which cannot be said of Bellarmine.
The Dominicans, Nicolai, Le Quien, Quetif, and Echard, were the first to avow openly that their master St. Thomas, had been deceived by an imposter, and had in turn misled the whole tribe of theologians and canonists who followed him. On the one hand, the Jesuits, including even such a scholar as Labbe, while giving up the pseudo–Isidorian decretals, manifested their resolve to still cling to St. Cyril. In Italy, as late as 1713, Professor Andruzzi of Bologna cited the most important of the interpolations of St. Cyril as a conclusive argument in his controversial treatise against the patriarch Dositheus (Johann Joseph Ignaz von Döllinger, The Pope and the Council (Boston: Roberts, 1870), pp. 233-234).

The authority claims of Roman Catholicism ultimately devolve upon the institution of the papacy. The papacy is the center and source from which all authority flows for Roman Catholicism. Rome has long claimed that this institution was established by Christ and has been in force in the Church from the very beginning. But the historical record gives a very different picture. This institution was promoted primarily through the falsification of historical fact through the extensive use of forgeries as Thomas Aquinas’ apologetic for the papacy demonstrates. Forgery is its foundation. As an institution it was a much later development in Church history, beginning with the Gregorian reforms of pope Gregory VII in the 11th century and was restricted completely to the West. The Eastern Chruch never accepted the false claims of the Roman Church and refused to submit to its insistence that the Bishop of Rome was supreme ruler of the Church. This they knew was not true to the historical record and was a perversion of the true teaching of Scripture, the papal exegesis of which was not taught by the Church fathers (An analysis and documentation of the church father’s interpretation of the rock of Matthew can be found here)

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