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Feb 15, 2019 18:42:00   #
debeda
 
permafrost wrote:
i do not have a party leader, I vote as I wish.. as I wish for a great nation, that becomes a democrat vote.
more and more these days..

Can you not make any statement without diverting to Abortion??

It is time the right wing got some real life statement out on the net.. old refrains get useless.
"pro life"was the greatest lip service phrase the right ever came up with and the have a lot..
but it is far from the only thing to rant about..

Yes, drugs are a great evil and if only we could remove them our lives would be so much better..
i do not have a party leader, I vote as I wish.. a... (show quote)


I didn't "divert to abortion", I mentioned it as a contrast. And nice diversion of yours defaulting to abortion talking points and not responding to what I said about illegal immigration.

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Feb 15, 2019 18:43:59   #
debeda
 
permafrost wrote:
I do like your El Chapo idea...


It would really be the best answer. And poetic justice

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Feb 15, 2019 18:45:42   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
If property tax is your biggest complaint, you must not live near the Mexican border. I wrote a letter to Sinema this morning saying that since she voted yea on the omnibus compromise bill; I would send her my yearly repair bills for fencing torn down by illegal aliens, the bills for property damage for each break-in by illegal aliens, the clean-up bill for clearing out the dirty diapers and other trash from my stretch of the San Pedro River, the vet bills for illegal alien gun shot dogs which live and the replacement costs if they are killed. These are the things a price tag can be attached to. A close neighbor being murdered while driving on his ranch, shootouts between CBP, Sheriffs, and illegals on my property, and the restriction of my enjoyment of taking my dogs for a river walk for fear of them or I getting shot; has no price tag. And though a price can definitely be put on the environmental damage BLM, forestry services, and conservation groups put out; it isn't my own cost so they will have to bill her themselves!
If property tax is your biggest complaint, you mus... (show quote)



I have to say never considered that cleanup you mention.. it would truly upset me have that the care for..

A good attn getter to send a bill for it, good move i have to say..

the deadly stuff is more then I can comment on..



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Feb 15, 2019 18:45:59   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
permafrost wrote:
You posted the rise over the 8 years of President Obama serving..

so i did the math for you and made a mistake, but at with an increase of 2 trillion in 2 years, the orange con would add 8 trillion if he were in office that long..

and keep in mind this does not consider the cost of his tax cuts, trade wars, and tariffs on the future..

Tariffs become noteworthy when farmers lose markets and are paid 12 billion per year by the Government..


Tell us more about the immigrant Nobel prize winners. We're they criminal illegal immigrants or were they legal? Where were they from? 12 of them in two years? Not a single one from America? Look what your mob has done to America's education!

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Feb 15, 2019 18:54:31   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
debeda wrote:
I didn't "divert to abortion", I mentioned it as a contrast. And nice diversion of yours defaulting to abortion talking points and not responding to what I said about illegal immigration.




OK, sorry about that. in case you missed it i started with declaring that I want secure borders and am willing to pay for them..

the "wall"is not a good solution, it is tossing away money we need to be watchful of spending..

that is all of my position, could hardly be simpler, but it flamed the minds of a bunch who see no possable ending other than the orange wall as a solution..

A wall that works.. for something..
A wall that works.. for something.....

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Feb 15, 2019 19:02:40   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
permafrost wrote:
OK, sorry about that. in case you missed it i started with declaring that I want secure borders and am willing to pay for them..

the "wall"is not a good solution, it is tossing away money we need to be watchful of spending..

that is all of my position, could hardly be simpler, but it flamed the minds of a bunch who see no possable ending other than the orange wall as a solution..


Hey genius, give us a sample of how you'd secure our border in a way that prevents illegals from placing one foot across our border that does not include a wall.

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Feb 15, 2019 19:12:37   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
padremike wrote:
Tell us more about the immigrant Nobel prize winners. We're they criminal illegal immigrants or were they legal? Where were they from? 12 of them in two years? Not a single one from America? Look what your mob has done to America's education!




This is a start, if you want more look it up..



Immigrants win one third of U.S. Nobel prizes in key fields
Sarah McBride
2 MIN READ

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - More than one-third of U.S. Nobel prize winners in chemistry, medicine and physics are immigrants, a new report shows.

The report, released Thursday by the National Foundation for American Policy, a conservative research group, shows that since 2000, two dozen immigrants won Nobels in those fields, out of 68 U.S. prizewinners in chemistry, medicine and physics.

The NFAP hopes the research shows the contributions of immigrants in important fields will bolster the chances for the passage of immigration reform, which has been mired in Congress this term.

While the U.S. Senate passed an immigration bill last year, the measure has stalled in the House of Representatives where Republicans remain deeply split over what to do about the more than 11 million undocumented U.S. residents. Many Republicans want to await the outcome of November’s elections before revisiting the issue.


American education??? which burns your butt more, "no student left behind" or " common core"?

You need to choose so you can blame the correct group..

Lets see,,,no student... was the bush answer to the world of education..

Common core... this was put together by a number of state governors, most of whom were republicans.

CC was open to choice and some states, like Minnesota did not accept all of the guide lines..



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Feb 15, 2019 19:21:43   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
padremike wrote:
Hey genius, give us a sample of how you'd secure our border in a way that prevents illegals from placing one foot across our border that does not include a wall.


you seem obsessed with human traffic. it that correct?

While it has been declining for 20 years or so, we can look to these practices for guidance..

Upgrading the search methods of vehicles moving through port of entry..

Drones are proving effective and will be more so..

But number one should be finding a way for the immigrants themselves to know that the correct way to apply for entry is at the P o E... Not getting dumped by the smugglers on a desert back road and hoping to outrun pursuit.



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Feb 15, 2019 21:31:37   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
permafrost wrote:
you seem obsessed with human traffic. it that correct?

While it has been declining for 20 years or so, we can look to these practices for guidance..

Upgrading the search methods of vehicles moving through port of entry..

Drones are proving effective and will be more so..

But number one should be finding a way for the immigrants themselves to know that the correct way to apply for entry is at the P o E... Not getting dumped by the smugglers on a desert back road and hoping to outrun pursuit.
you seem obsessed with human traffic. it that corr... (show quote)


2000 per day is the Border Patrols estimate of illegals slipping thru. To hell with your declining trivia, 2000 is 2000 too many.

Drones do not stop illegal entry they can locate them after they cross but then they're inside our border and get a hearing by a court already 700,000 hearings behind. They get a court date a few years hence and the great majority never show but are turned loose. Their mission is accomplished. Better to get caught other than at a legitimate border crossing.

Upgrading search procedures at the POE. Wow, I'm impressed with that great bit of genuine ambiguity. "Duh, watcha got in your truck dude?" The truth is nothing works as well as a wall not even your lame imagination. The only deterrent to a wall is that you Progs hate Trump more than you hate criminal illegal aliens murdering, raping and robbing Americans. You do not deserve to be Americans. Quite frankly, this nation would be much better off if we could exchange one Mexican willing to work hard and become a citizen for one Progressive. Mexico would come to really despise us pretty quick. Remember? You carry that rotting corpse everywhere you go and in doing so corrupt everything you touch.

You're just like all the rest of your watered down polluted crowd. Remember when Pelosi, Schumer, et al, were all for the wall before they were against Trump? What pigs they are. Actually pigs are cleaner than they are. What this country needs this year is more Progressive Angel moms and dads. We're going to get many more so best they go to those who are not interested in protecting and defending the American people. It's a horrible thing to wish on anyone yet you think nothing about forcing grief on the rest of us. Your hate has no control no boundaries.

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Feb 16, 2019 05:40:48   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
JoyV wrote:
But are you disputing the DHS figures quoted in the news report? Whether those figures are quoted in a right or left wing media source; they remain the DHS figures.


Of course Socialist Dim-O-Crats always down play or disagree with anything that makes their real agenda look bad.

If it harms American soverenty Socialist thinks it's good and blames the REPUBLICANS.

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Feb 16, 2019 05:56:02   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
permafrost wrote:
I have served as a combat Marine.. I did not get shot..

admire you a great deal for you extreme contribution.. really...

Other then that only some cash contributions..

Loads of storm relief was the last..

i do not see a wall being any help in the border security problem..

the wall near San Diego have 14 tunnels per the last article I read..

and the wall, to be at all effective will still need the constant tech and manpower we will have anyway..


The wall/fence is to slow down the flow of illegal alien's and drugs, not to totally stop it. There needs to be more boots on the ground to detect tunnels and breaches.

Someone failed to monitor and/or do their job if 14 tunnels were dug and went undetected. That shows the wall/fence slowed down the intruders. More than likely the tunnels were dug for drug traffickers and the border guard(s) responsible for the are were paid off not to report the tunnels.

More frequent patrols and better surveillance is needed be it more personel, drones or camers.

Semper Fi

🇺🇸 God bless America and the Marine Corps.

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Feb 16, 2019 06:08:29   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
JoyV wrote:
Since when does the federal government collect taxes for private businesses? Even the pocket lining done by many politicians isn't so blatant as to directly take the tax money by bypassing the IRS or Treasury Department!!!!


My tree farm is a private buisness since 1802 and I pay close to 38% of my income to the Federal government not counting the taxes on fuel, tires and other state taxes.

My income tax on a private buisness was over $335,000.00 last year alone to the Federal government (IRS) not counting other taxes I paid.

All fines and taxes are paid into the government coffers be it Federal, state or city.

🇺🇸 God bless America and President Trump

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Feb 16, 2019 06:11:33   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
JoyV wrote:
He never claimed he would cut our debt in half. He did imply he would reduce deficit spending from the rate Obama spent. This he has done. To reduce the debt by half would take decades of surplus far higher than the decades of deficits to not only offset the deficit spending but to pay the interest.

So if you want border security, but not the wall; what do you propose? Technology alone has been proven to be ineffective. Do you approve increasing boots on the ground with orders to use lethal force to protect our sovereignty?
He never claimed he would cut our debt in half. H... (show quote)



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Feb 16, 2019 06:21:06   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
I could not possibly agree more. Now he’s calling executive order (first one) on border wall which is NOT his pet project. Obama pulled that order over and over. What’s the difference...one Progressive and one Constitutionist.


The previous community organizer refused to obey or inforce laws he or his crooked AG did not like or approve of. Even the SCOTUS ruleing on Obama care that was ruled unconstitutional.

The community organizer even engaged along with his AG in selling government weapons to the Mexican Drug Cartel that resulted in several of our border patrol being murdered. All swept under the rug.

He was even a party of selling the Russians our uranium supply. Treason at it's higest.

All covered up by the Socialist Dim-O-Crats.

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Feb 16, 2019 06:24:07   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
JoyV wrote:
If you see nothing changed from several months before Trump suggested the situation had become a national emergency to today, I suggest you take off your blindfold!

More than 100,000 illegal border crossings a month (the monthly increase is not conducive to a yearly estimate), 60% of which CBP estimates they apprehend); tens of thousands of known illegal criminals (crimes unrelated to illegal entry into our country) per year apprehended or encountered with an unknown number not caught; more than 20,000 child sex trafficking victims saved from their traffickers at the border; an unknown number of human traffic victims for labor; $60 million in currency seizures per year; OFO (at ports of entry) drug seizures including ~ 50,000 lbs cocaine-- 5,000 lbs heroin-- 300,000 lbs marijuana-- 70,000 lbs Methamphetamine-- and more than 1,000 lbs of fentanyl; and CBP drug seizures (between ports of entry) including ~ 6,500 lbs cocaine-- more than 500 lbs heroin-- 500,000 lbs marijuana-- 15,000 lbs Methamphetamine-- and more than 350 lbs of fentanyl; nearly 800 violent gang members apprehended; and thousand of illegal aliens die each year attempting to enter our country in border areas where no wall exists. https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics
https://www.borderlegislators.org/illegal_trafficking_eng.htm

But you don't see an emergency in all this?
If you see nothing changed from several months bef... (show quote)


True, every word true.

BUILD THE FENCE/WALL NOW.

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