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Feb 15, 2019 11:29:40   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
padremike wrote:
Don't answer a question with a question. I realize I asked a practically impossible task for you to attempt before you answered me and that impossible task was for you to first "think." But of course, true to your very nature, your mind is always closed and your mouth is always open!



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Feb 15, 2019 11:40:15   #
JoyV
 
Bad Bob wrote:
RIGHT BIAS
These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage conservative causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy. See all Right Bias sources.
Overall, we rate One America News Far right biased based on story selection that consistently favors the Right and Mixed for factual reporting due to promotion of conspiracies, lack of sourcing and a few failed fact checks.

Detailed Report
Factual Reporting: MIXED
Country: USA
World Press Freedom Rank: USA 45/180
History
Founded in 2013, One America News Network (OANN), also referred to as One America News (OAN), is an American right-wing pay television news channel and website. According to the Washington Post since the election of Donald Trump OAN has become pro-Trump in coverage and a favorite news source for the President. The founder of OAN is Charles Herring who has said “Fox News has done a great job serving the center-right and independent audiences…But those who consider themselves liberal have a half dozen or more choices on TV each day from which to get their news.” OAN has been criticized for biased content that favors Donald Trump.

Funded by / Ownership
According to their about page “One America News Network is owned by Herring Networks, Inc. Herring Networks, Inc. is a family owned and operated, independent media company focused on providing high quality national television programming to consumers via its national cable networks.” Herring Networks is owned by Robert Herring Sr. who is a Republican donor. One America News is funded through advertising and television subscription fees.
Analysis / Bias
In review, OAN is a far right biased news channel and website that uses moderately loaded words in headlines and articles such as this: Sen. Schumer Refuses To Back Down On Border Wall Funding. This article does not offer sourcing at all. In another article Senate Floats Restrictions On Detentions Of Illegal Aliens In Government Spending Bill, there is again a lack of sourced information.
One America News writes articles that are very short and easy to read. Their aim is to keep stories under 1 minute long. Story selection almost always favors the right and in particular President Donald Trump. An article in AdWeek describes how the owner of Herring Networks directs his newsroom to favor Trump: “According to internal emails, Herring has directed his channel to push Trump’s candidacy, scuttle stories about police shootings, encourage antiabortion stories, minimize coverage of Russian aggression, and steer away from the new president’s troubles, according to more than a dozen current and former producers, writers and anchors, as well as internal emails from Herring and his top news executives.”
OAN has also promoted right wing conspiracies such as the Seth Rich Murder and that there was no evidence of chemical attacks in Syria.

A factual search reveals a few failed fact checks by IFCN fact checkers.
Would a Proposed Law ‘Ban the Bible’ in California? – FALSE
Is an Increase in Recorded Crime in England and Wales Linked to ‘Radical Islamic Terror’? – MOSTLY FALSE
Overall, we rate One America News Far right biased based on story selection that consistently favors the Right and Mixed for factual reporting due to promotion of conspiracies, lack of sourcing and a few failed fact checks. (10/12/2016) (D. Van Zandt 12/23/2018)
Source: http://www.oann.com/

Garbage in, garbage out to Padrezealotmike.
RIGHT BIAS br These media sources are moderately t... (show quote)


But are you disputing the DHS figures quoted in the news report? Whether those figures are quoted in a right or left wing media source; they remain the DHS figures.

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Feb 15, 2019 11:41:29   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
old marine wrote:
The Socialist agenda is to destroy American Sovereignty and with thousands of illegal aliens attempting to violate that sovereignty it is a National emergency.

The military will use what ever is necessary to stop that invasion. I have no problems with legal immigrants as a matter of fact I have three in my employment that have become Nationalized American citizens.

I presently am in the process of helping their wives to legally come to America through the New Orleans immigration port of entry. They will join their husbands and be employeed as cooks.

What have you done to help except to complain?
The Socialist agenda is to destroy American Sovere... (show quote)




I have served as a combat Marine.. I did not get shot..

admire you a great deal for you extreme contribution.. really...

Other then that only some cash contributions..

Loads of storm relief was the last..

i do not see a wall being any help in the border security problem..

the wall near San Diego have 14 tunnels per the last article I read..

and the wall, to be at all effective will still need the constant tech and manpower we will have anyway..



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Feb 15, 2019 11:43:59   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
padremike wrote:
Don't answer a question with a question. I realize I asked a practically impossible task for you to attempt before you answered me and that impossible task was for you to first "think." But of course, true to your very nature, your mind is always closed and your mouth is always open!




So you have nothing to contribute.. so we know that, you do not have to keep telling us..



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Feb 15, 2019 11:46:48   #
JoyV
 
old marine wrote:
The 25% tax should be paid to the American Government not private buisness.


Since when does the federal government collect taxes for private businesses? Even the pocket lining done by many politicians isn't so blatant as to directly take the tax money by bypassing the IRS or Treasury Department!!!!

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Feb 15, 2019 11:53:58   #
JoyV
 
permafrost wrote:
How do you make that leap??

I have been very clear, I want border security, as much as we need.

The wall is a hopeless project, we will still need all the technology and manpower to secure that we need for the existing border fence..


the number of apprehension have been going down for near 20 years..

that supports the fact that illegals are not "pouring unimpeded over our borders"

In two years we have added 2 trillion dollars to the national debt. this by the mouth who ran on cutting it in half.. one more of his failed promises..

Given that fact, we need to watch what we spend, just as if we were family..

so it would be stupid to toss billions of dollars on an ineffective wall..

what is your opinion on trump "national emergency" tactic??
How do you make that leap?? br br I have been ver... (show quote)


He never claimed he would cut our debt in half. He did imply he would reduce deficit spending from the rate Obama spent. This he has done. To reduce the debt by half would take decades of surplus far higher than the decades of deficits to not only offset the deficit spending but to pay the interest.

So if you want border security, but not the wall; what do you propose? Technology alone has been proven to be ineffective. Do you approve increasing boots on the ground with orders to use lethal force to protect our sovereignty?

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Feb 15, 2019 11:56:32   #
JoyV
 
permafrost wrote:
confused this morning?

I was pretty clear.. I was talking about a past idea to privatize the post office.. USPS is anagram for United States Postal Service..

bahamer may have been talking only about taxes, but i was talking the never ending effort by some to extract the money making parts of each govt service.

I was in short talking USPS..


Then why quote my post regarding taxing of money sent back to Mexico? When you quote another's words in your response, it is PRETTY CLEAR the response is to the post you are quoting.

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Feb 15, 2019 12:02:00   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
permafrost wrote:
So you have nothing to contribute.. so we know that, you do not have to keep telling us..


That was such a cheesy deflection even for a simpleton.

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Feb 15, 2019 12:06:44   #
Carol Kelly
 
padremike wrote:
Good grief, is everyone an enemy, a scumbag traitor, NWO globalist traitorous rat? I'm finding it a full time job fighting the American Progressives, they're the immediate danger. They are a very real and present danger, they're mad dog hysterical.


I could not possibly agree more. Now he’s calling executive order (first one) on border wall which is NOT his pet project. Obama pulled that order over and over. What’s the difference...one Progressive and one Constitutionist.

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Feb 15, 2019 12:27:49   #
JoyV
 
permafrost wrote:
do you truly think the border non wall is a national emergency?

i see nothing changed over the last several month or more..

But now we have an emergency?? WOW..

Do you think it will work for the republicans.. some do not seem to like the idea..


If you see nothing changed from several months before Trump suggested the situation had become a national emergency to today, I suggest you take off your blindfold!

More than 100,000 illegal border crossings a month (the monthly increase is not conducive to a yearly estimate), 60% of which CBP estimates they apprehend); tens of thousands of known illegal criminals (crimes unrelated to illegal entry into our country) per year apprehended or encountered with an unknown number not caught; more than 20,000 child sex trafficking victims saved from their traffickers at the border; an unknown number of human traffic victims for labor; $60 million in currency seizures per year; OFO (at ports of entry) drug seizures including ~ 50,000 lbs cocaine-- 5,000 lbs heroin-- 300,000 lbs marijuana-- 70,000 lbs Methamphetamine-- and more than 1,000 lbs of fentanyl; and CBP drug seizures (between ports of entry) including ~ 6,500 lbs cocaine-- more than 500 lbs heroin-- 500,000 lbs marijuana-- 15,000 lbs Methamphetamine-- and more than 350 lbs of fentanyl; nearly 800 violent gang members apprehended; and thousand of illegal aliens die each year attempting to enter our country in border areas where no wall exists. https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics
https://www.borderlegislators.org/illegal_trafficking_eng.htm

But you don't see an emergency in all this?

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Feb 15, 2019 12:29:18   #
JoyV
 
permafrost wrote:
How did your people count so many illegals in America..

Must be a heck of a tough job..

I will accept the numbers in the articles I looked at..


You will accept the numbers from the news articles you look at, but not from DHS, CBP, ICE, or any other official source?

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Feb 15, 2019 12:49:04   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
Then why quote my post regarding taxing of money sent back to Mexico? When you quote another's words in your response, it is PRETTY CLEAR the response is to the post you are quoting.




Sorry, if you can not understand it look harder..


I was indeed pretty clear..

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Feb 15, 2019 12:53:28   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
If you see nothing changed from several months before Trump suggested the situation had become a national emergency to today, I suggest you take off your blindfold!

More than 100,000 illegal border crossings a month (the monthly increase is not conducive to a yearly estimate), 60% of which CBP estimates they apprehend); tens of thousands of known illegal criminals (crimes unrelated to illegal entry into our country) per year apprehended or encountered with an unknown number not caught; more than 20,000 child sex trafficking victims saved from their traffickers at the border; an unknown number of human traffic victims for labor; $60 million in currency seizures per year; OFO (at ports of entry) drug seizures including ~ 50,000 lbs cocaine-- 5,000 lbs heroin-- 300,000 lbs marijuana-- 70,000 lbs Methamphetamine-- and more than 1,000 lbs of fentanyl; and CBP drug seizures (between ports of entry) including ~ 6,500 lbs cocaine-- more than 500 lbs heroin-- 500,000 lbs marijuana-- 15,000 lbs Methamphetamine-- and more than 350 lbs of fentanyl; nearly 800 violent gang members apprehended; and thousand of illegal aliens die each year attempting to enter our country in border areas where no wall exists. https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics
https://www.borderlegislators.org/illegal_trafficking_eng.htm

But you don't see an emergency in all this?
If you see nothing changed from several months bef... (show quote)




Your numbers are so far off only a right winger would grab for them..

Criminals..... I bet you bitched like hell when President Obama concentrated on deporting them rather the mom and the kids..



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Feb 15, 2019 12:58:24   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
You will accept the numbers from the news articles you look at, but not from DHS, CBP, ICE, or any other official source?




I gave you numbers that were accurate... timely also..

You have posted this same information before.. it is not a monthly count,,, it is for the years indicated.

I see nothing like the change you declared.. the problem has been declining for 20 years, we have no emergency, but the problem in the white house is getting darn close..

TOTAL CBP ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS
Numbers below reflect FY2016 and FY2017 totals, FY2018TD (October 1, 2017 - August 31, 2018)

FY2016 FY2017 FY2018TD
OFFICE OF FIELD OPERATIONS (OFO)
Total Inadmissibles1 274,821 216,370 204,288
U.S. BORDER PATROL
Total Apprehensions2 415,816 310,531 361,993
Total Enforcement Actions 690,637 526,901 566,281

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Feb 15, 2019 13:04:30   #
JoyV
 
permafrost wrote:
This is one of my favorite twists in this wall thing.. but time presses me today and I can not dig out photos..

the 2006 secure fence bill is what most right wingers are looking at when the echo that opinion..

that was for 700 miles of assorted fence and repair.

It is not about 98% complete.. in what,, 12 years.. basic govt timeliness..

Israli wall/fence... find photos of this.. it varies from a true wall near crossings to a livestock fence to nearly nothing . depends on the area..

the key is that it is fully manned 24/7.. lot tech, drones and all that good stuff..

While we do not have suicide bomber crossing the border, our BP has it covered..

the wall is only a loss of our money.. we have already added 2 trillion to our dept, in only two years of the orange cloud..

Also, that 150 billion, which I do not agree is correct, but that is for illegals now living here.

they will still be with us after we build a wall/fence.. so that 150 billion would still spent also..
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Yes $2 trillion in over 2 years, vs more than $11 trillion in 8 years.

Manning the existing barrier already costs more per year than the $5 billion Trump asked for. With a wall, the money needed for border security can be reduced. How much can only be guessed at until the wall is in place.

In 2018, the budgets for border security alone included:
CBP--$2,913,234 million
ICE--$1,802,155 million
Coast Guard--$267,650 million
Immigration services--$835,130 million
CBP training--$28,765 million
USMS--$8,800 million
Detention--$50,349 million
Border security technology--$144,366 million
Immigration Court--$144,900 million
Immigration Judges--$74,950 million
Land acquisition--$$1,798 million
And an unknown amount of ATF's budget spent of gun crime and confiscation of/from illegal aliens.

2018 TOTAL: $6,272,097,000
Have I left anything out?

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