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Feb 15, 2019 09:15:38   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
debeda wrote:
I get that your party is fighting to allow illegal immigrants to pour unimpeded over our sovereign borders. Could you, or some other dem, explain to me WHY? And please, don't conflate your answers with legal immigrants. Thanks.




How do you make that leap??

I have been very clear, I want border security, as much as we need.

The wall is a hopeless project, we will still need all the technology and manpower to secure that we need for the existing border fence..


the number of apprehension have been going down for near 20 years..

that supports the fact that illegals are not "pouring unimpeded over our borders"

In two years we have added 2 trillion dollars to the national debt. this by the mouth who ran on cutting it in half.. one more of his failed promises..

Given that fact, we need to watch what we spend, just as if we were family..

so it would be stupid to toss billions of dollars on an ineffective wall..

what is your opinion on trump "national emergency" tactic??



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Feb 15, 2019 09:20:38   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
How bout a little memory refresher.

1) I wrote, "But the illegals sending money south don't have to go through this process. Although there are recent complaints that Trump is making it harder and more expensive to send money to Latin American countries. His newest proposal has the shocking exorbitant price of 2% tax on money sent south."

2) Bahmer quoted my posted and responded, "Raise it to 25% and then go higher each and every month and that would be for banks as well as any other wire transfer service allowed."

3) You quoted Bahmer's posted response to my post and wrote, "But what the republicans would do is privatize the process and the 25% would go to the pockets of the already very rich who are selected to hoard the money.."

4) I responded to your response and wrote, "How can you privatize taxes?"

5) Now you claim your were referring to the postal service. So why mention the 25% figure of Bahmer's if you weren't responding to it?
How bout a little memory refresher. br br 1) I wr... (show quote)




confused this morning?

I was pretty clear.. I was talking about a past idea to privatize the post office.. USPS is anagram for United States Postal Service..

bahamer may have been talking only about taxes, but i was talking the never ending effort by some to extract the money making parts of each govt service.

I was in short talking USPS..



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Feb 15, 2019 09:24:22   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
Your experts are contradicting themselves. First they say the illegals are paying taxes because they are using stolen social security numbers. Then they say they are not eligible for social security or food stamps because they are undocumented. So which is it?

Later the expense of public schooling and food stamps is listed as the greatest taxpayer's expense for illegals. So can they get food stamps or not?

And why are the costs not relevant in countries running a deficit?

The expert's assertion that the "right" question is whether they are paying their fair share of taxes and getting their fair share of services begs the questions of what fair share are people who have invaded another country entitled to; and what fair share are they required to pay? The answer to both questions is NOTHING!!!!!!

So who are these experts? You are only using one name to identify, nor including any titles.

Also, there are some glaring omissions in taxpayer's burden not mentioned. That is law enforcement (CBP, ICE, local police or sheriffs); court costs both in immigration court and in trying for other crimes; and detention, jail, or prison costs. https://cis.org/Huennekens/DOJ-26-Federal-Prisoners-Are-Aliens
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Seems you did not read all of it.. was quite clear..

If i failed to post all of the article, follow the link..

came from NBC news i think..

easy to find

reread the article.. it is easy..



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Feb 15, 2019 09:24:43   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
permafrost wrote:
OAN Is a fish wrap publication from an alt right man who only caters to the most radical of right wingers..

has been sued for libel, is only common rabble..

Nothing on oan is apt to be true in any way..


Your opinion and $2.00 will get you a cup of coffee.

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Feb 15, 2019 09:28:18   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
old marine wrote:
When the sovereignty of America is threatened it is a national emergency. Our elected officials are sworn to protect America from all enemies from within or without our Sovereignty borders. Failure to do so is treason.

Our military's job is to protect America. The President has the obligation and authority to use our military to protect America.

Building the wall/fence is to protect American sovereignty and people. Therefore President Trump is making the right decisions.

🇺🇸 God bless America and President Trump.
When the sovereignty of America is threatened it ... (show quote)




do you truly think the border non wall is a national emergency?

i see nothing changed over the last several month or more..

But now we have an emergency?? WOW..

Do you think it will work for the republicans.. some do not seem to like the idea..



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Feb 15, 2019 09:29:13   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
old marine wrote:
Please explain how California can have 300,000 more votes csst than there are regestered voters.

How can those regestered voters that are dead vote?

Where did all the extra votes come from?

How can non-American citizens vote all Democrat ticket?

I await your answers. Inquiring minds want to know.

🇺🇸 God bless America and President Trump.




Where do you get those numbers/information.. I have never heard it except on OPP..

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Feb 15, 2019 09:31:11   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
old marine wrote:
These figures are based on KNOWN illegal aliens in America. There are millions of unknown illegal criminal aliens in America today that authorities have been unable to count.



How did your people count so many illegals in America..

Must be a heck of a tough job..

I will accept the numbers in the articles I looked at..



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Feb 15, 2019 09:33:11   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
permafrost wrote:
How do you make that leap??

I have been very clear, I want border security, as much as we need.

The wall is a hopeless project, we will still need all the technology and manpower to secure that we need for the existing border fence..


the number of apprehension have been going down for near 20 years..

that supports the fact that illegals are not "pouring unimpeded over our borders"

In two years we have added 2 trillion dollars to the national debt. this by the mouth who ran on cutting it in half.. one more of his failed promises..

Given that fact, we need to watch what we spend, just as if we were family..

so it would be stupid to toss billions of dollars on an ineffective wall..

what is your opinion on trump "national emergency" tactic??
How do you make that leap?? br br I have been ver... (show quote)


Strange walls worked for the Democrats and worked for Israel but when President Trump promised to finish the wall/fence they become immorial, won't work or too expensive.

5 or even 10 billion is a cheap price to pay one time to save 150 billion each year to feed and take care of the illegal criminal aliens already here in America.

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Feb 15, 2019 09:34:04   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
old marine wrote:
Don't you think it would be a lot chesper to spend 5 or even 10 billion dollars to build a wall/fence once than spend 150 billion each year to support illegal aliens?

Our tax burden could be reduced with those savings which could save as much as a trillion dollars before repairs to the wall/fence would be needed.


🇺🇸 God bless America and President Trump.




Well it looks as if you will build about 55 miles of fence/barrier , unless his Emergency works..



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Feb 15, 2019 09:36:24   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
old marine wrote:
Your source of information is not very credible.

There is no such thing ss undocumented immigrants. they are illegal criminal aliens

Also the children if illegal criminal aliens sre not American citizens. They are citizens of their parents are citizens. Not American.

Public schools are funded by property taxes. Some schools do get some federal funding.



🇺🇸 God bless America and President Trump.




In this world 35 or so other nations have the same child born:citizen rule as we do..

For now that is the law of the land.. Change it? OK....

Yes, even an old geezer like me pays for the schools...

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Feb 15, 2019 09:38:05   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
old marine wrote:
Your opinion and $2.00 will get you a cup of coffee.



Thanks for reminding me.. cup is empty.. LOL

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Feb 15, 2019 09:47:26   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
old marine wrote:
Strange walls worked for the Democrats and worked for Israel but when President Trump promised to finish the wall/fence they become immorial, won't work or too expensive.

5 or even 10 billion is a cheap price to pay one time to save 150 billion each year to feed and take care of the illegal criminal aliens already here in America.




This is one of my favorite twists in this wall thing.. but time presses me today and I can not dig out photos..

the 2006 secure fence bill is what most right wingers are looking at when the echo that opinion..

that was for 700 miles of assorted fence and repair.

It is not about 98% complete.. in what,, 12 years.. basic govt timeliness..

Israli wall/fence... find photos of this.. it varies from a true wall near crossings to a livestock fence to nearly nothing . depends on the area..

the key is that it is fully manned 24/7.. lot tech, drones and all that good stuff..

While we do not have suicide bomber crossing the border, our BP has it covered..

the wall is only a loss of our money.. we have already added 2 trillion to our dept, in only two years of the orange cloud..

Also, that 150 billion, which I do not agree is correct, but that is for illegals now living here.

they will still be with us after we build a wall/fence.. so that 150 billion would still spent also..



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Feb 15, 2019 09:51:37   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
permafrost wrote:
do you truly think the border non wall is a national emergency?

i see nothing changed over the last several month or more..

But now we have an emergency?? WOW..

Do you think it will work for the republicans.. some do not seem to like the idea..


The Socialist agenda is to destroy American Sovereignty and with thousands of illegal aliens attempting to violate that sovereignty it is a National emergency.

The military will use what ever is necessary to stop that invasion. I have no problems with legal immigrants as a matter of fact I have three in my employment that have become Nationalized American citizens.

I presently am in the process of helping their wives to legally come to America through the New Orleans immigration port of entry. They will join their husbands and be employeed as cooks.

What have you done to help except to complain?

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Feb 15, 2019 10:00:20   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
permafrost wrote:
How did your people count so many illegals in America..

Must be a heck of a tough job..

I will accept the numbers in the articles I looked at..


Who is "you people"?

They are counted by the Federal Government according to overstayed Visa's and known individuals.

I only keep up with the three in my employment.

Nancy Pelosi and her California criminals would have a more accurate account

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Feb 15, 2019 10:55:29   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
permafrost wrote:
Why does it frighten you so much?


Don't answer a question with a question. I realize I asked a practically impossible task for you to attempt before you answered me and that impossible task was for you to first "think." But of course, true to your very nature, your mind is always closed and your mouth is always open!

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