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Feb 15, 2019 05:09:10   #
JoyV
 
permafrost wrote:
you are right about most of this..

/www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/fact-check-how-much-does-illegal-immigration-cost-america-not-n950981


Overall, there is a broad misunderstanding of how much undocumented immigrants contribute to America's balance sheets, and what taxpayer-funded benefits they receive, the experts interviewed by NBC News said.

"Undocumented immigrants are incredible contributors to our economy and are not eligible for public benefits that people think they come here for," Wiehe said.

An estimated half of the nation's undocumented immigrants are believed to be working under fake Social Security numbers, which means they are paying taxes and into Social Security. The ITEP estimates that state and local governments take in $11.74 billion a year from undocumented immigrants.

Wiehe added that undocumented immigrants are also not eligible for the federal earned income tax credit, so they're taxed at higher rates than similar low-income Americans.




Capps said that undocumented immigrants also pay taxes in other ways: paying sales taxes on items they purchase, and funding property taxes through rent payments, too.

Meanwhile, undocumented immigrants are not eligible for Social Security and the vast majority of taxpayer-funded welfare programs like food stamps and cash assistance, according to Capps, the expert with the Migration Policy Institute.

There are some notable exceptions: many receive medical care through emergency rooms and some undocumented immigrants are able to receive taxpayer-funded benefits through the Woman, Infants, and Children program, which helps provide food and formula for low-income pregnant and breastfeeding mothers and young children.

The biggest costs to taxpayers, experts told NBC News, come from public education, which all students are eligible to receive regardless of immigration status.

Researchers and advocates are split on whether it's fair to view the education and welfare of U.S. citizen children born to undocumented immigrants as part of the costs of undocumented immigrants, but most say it's worth considering at least. Rector said it was a big factor in his estimate.

"Public education is where the real big cost comes in," Capps said. "The amount of taxes that the parents pay on their earnings, that they pay through property taxes — passed through on their rent — it's not going to be as much as is spent on public education for their kids and food stamps for their kids."

Still, Capps added, second generation immigrants — the U.S.-born children of undocumented immigrants — often go on to do far better than their parents and can boost the American economy.

"They'll be paying it back over the long run, some of that cost — particularly like public schooling — pays for itself," Capps said. "Some people will just focus on how much more unauthorized immigrants cost than they're paying, but it ignores the broader economic picture."

Kallick said the debate over costs was not relevant to the necessary fiscal conversations the country is having, particularly in a country with citizens that operates on a net negative — running on a deficit.

"Fundamentally I think it’s the wrong question. The right question for undocumented immigrants and any group is, 'Are they paying their fair share of taxes and getting their fair share of service?'" Kallick said. "You’re talking about people who work for very low wages and are excluded from nearly all social services. It takes a real act of will to say they're exploiting us."
you are right about most of this.. br br /www.nbc... (show quote)


Your experts are contradicting themselves. First they say the illegals are paying taxes because they are using stolen social security numbers. Then they say they are not eligible for social security or food stamps because they are undocumented. So which is it?

Later the expense of public schooling and food stamps is listed as the greatest taxpayer's expense for illegals. So can they get food stamps or not?

And why are the costs not relevant in countries running a deficit?

The expert's assertion that the "right" question is whether they are paying their fair share of taxes and getting their fair share of services begs the questions of what fair share are people who have invaded another country entitled to; and what fair share are they required to pay? The answer to both questions is NOTHING!!!!!!

So who are these experts? You are only using one name to identify, nor including any titles.

Also, there are some glaring omissions in taxpayer's burden not mentioned. That is law enforcement (CBP, ICE, local police or sheriffs); court costs both in immigration court and in trying for other crimes; and detention, jail, or prison costs. https://cis.org/Huennekens/DOJ-26-Federal-Prisoners-Are-Aliens

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Feb 15, 2019 06:09:50   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
padremike wrote:
I'm going to answer your first question regarding the number of criminal illegal aliens now living in America. The rest of your comment I didn't even read.

The information of 25 million I obtain from OAN news. Daily, several times daily in fact, they show the number of aliens, the cost this day, the cost this year and a couple other bullet points regarding illegal aliens. This information comes out of the Dept of Homeland Security and is a flowing update much like the automated National Debt Clock and the Abortion Clock. Get your proboscis out of CNN and MSNBC and live free.
I'm going to answer your first question regarding ... (show quote)


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Overall, we rate One America News Far right biased based on story selection that consistently favors the Right and Mixed for factual reporting due to promotion of conspiracies, lack of sourcing and a few failed fact checks.

Detailed Report
Factual Reporting: MIXED
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World Press Freedom Rank: USA 45/180
History
Founded in 2013, One America News Network (OANN), also referred to as One America News (OAN), is an American right-wing pay television news channel and website. According to the Washington Post since the election of Donald Trump OAN has become pro-Trump in coverage and a favorite news source for the President. The founder of OAN is Charles Herring who has said “Fox News has done a great job serving the center-right and independent audiences…But those who consider themselves liberal have a half dozen or more choices on TV each day from which to get their news.” OAN has been criticized for biased content that favors Donald Trump.

Funded by / Ownership
According to their about page “One America News Network is owned by Herring Networks, Inc. Herring Networks, Inc. is a family owned and operated, independent media company focused on providing high quality national television programming to consumers via its national cable networks.” Herring Networks is owned by Robert Herring Sr. who is a Republican donor. One America News is funded through advertising and television subscription fees.
Analysis / Bias
In review, OAN is a far right biased news channel and website that uses moderately loaded words in headlines and articles such as this: Sen. Schumer Refuses To Back Down On Border Wall Funding. This article does not offer sourcing at all. In another article Senate Floats Restrictions On Detentions Of Illegal Aliens In Government Spending Bill, there is again a lack of sourced information.
One America News writes articles that are very short and easy to read. Their aim is to keep stories under 1 minute long. Story selection almost always favors the right and in particular President Donald Trump. An article in AdWeek describes how the owner of Herring Networks directs his newsroom to favor Trump: “According to internal emails, Herring has directed his channel to push Trump’s candidacy, scuttle stories about police shootings, encourage antiabortion stories, minimize coverage of Russian aggression, and steer away from the new president’s troubles, according to more than a dozen current and former producers, writers and anchors, as well as internal emails from Herring and his top news executives.”
OAN has also promoted right wing conspiracies such as the Seth Rich Murder and that there was no evidence of chemical attacks in Syria.

A factual search reveals a few failed fact checks by IFCN fact checkers.
Would a Proposed Law ‘Ban the Bible’ in California? – FALSE
Is an Increase in Recorded Crime in England and Wales Linked to ‘Radical Islamic Terror’? – MOSTLY FALSE
Overall, we rate One America News Far right biased based on story selection that consistently favors the Right and Mixed for factual reporting due to promotion of conspiracies, lack of sourcing and a few failed fact checks. (10/12/2016) (D. Van Zandt 12/23/2018)
Source: http://www.oann.com/

Garbage in, garbage out to Padrezealotmike.

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Feb 15, 2019 06:20:36   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
permafrost wrote:
LOL


😁😎

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Feb 15, 2019 06:22:37   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
padremike wrote:
You joke but I know you actually believe this and it is a measure of both your hatred and your illness but hatred is, afterall, a sickness of the your soul.


The love for money is the root of all evil.

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Feb 15, 2019 06:32:10   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
permafrost wrote:
Ah gee mike... yes I do believe it... they want every thing privatized if they can change it a bit so the money is flowing right in..

look at the planes to privatize mail delivery back in the day..

They were going to take all the mail, except the part that did not make money.. that would be left for mail carriers..


But more to the point, now it seems trump will declare a national emergency to build his wall part..

what do you think of that? Is it OK with you? do you think the border situation is any kind of national emergency?

such a deep pit we are in the process of falling into..
Ah gee mike... yes I do believe it... they want ev... (show quote)


When the sovereignty of America is threatened it is a national emergency. Our elected officials are sworn to protect America from all enemies from within or without our Sovereignty borders. Failure to do so is treason.

Our military's job is to protect America. The President has the obligation and authority to use our military to protect America.

Building the wall/fence is to protect American sovereignty and people. Therefore President Trump is making the right decisions.

🇺🇸 God bless America and President Trump.

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Feb 15, 2019 06:41:13   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
permafrost wrote:
Mike, what you echo is less then true..

i do not know where or how you come up with a figure of 300 billion to care for Illegals.. that is simply ridiculous..

Not even remotely believable..

and yet you top that by thinking these people vote.. for anyone?

The fear of these illegals has been used as a tool by your orange degenerate to keep you thinking about what he wishes you to think of rather then the mess he has created for the nation while enriching himself and the very rich at our expense..

You must realize that illegals can not receive welfare.. look it up..
Mike, what you echo is less then true.. br br ... (show quote)


Please explain how California can have 300,000 more votes csst than there are regestered voters.

How can those regestered voters that are dead vote?

Where did all the extra votes come from?

How can non-American citizens vote all Democrat ticket?

I await your answers. Inquiring minds want to know.

🇺🇸 God bless America and President Trump.

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Feb 15, 2019 07:00:29   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
truthiness wrote:
But then the question arises: who will do the scut work that Americans can't/won't/don't see themselves doing and are willing to break the law to have it done by undocumented workers that businesses protect?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/illegal-immigrants-us-jobs-economy-farm-workers-taxes/

Certainly Devin Nunes doesn't want the illegal work to stop on his family's IOWA farm/

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a23471864/devin-nunes-family-farm-iowa-california/

It only becomes a moral/ethical/safety issue after the financial side is overlooked.
"...since these monies do nothing to prosper our economy" is not correct; these workers pay taxes and buy American goods and food while they are here.
The hypocrisy of "we will take their work but not let them support their families (or let them in as hard working guest workers or citizens) is, as usual, overwhelming, but not new or unexpected from the people whose businesses make a ton of money off their hypocrisy.
But then the question arises: who will do the scut... (show quote)


I have no problembs with immigrants that come to America legally and I encourage them to become Nationalized American citizen and work and be part of the American dream.

It's the illegal criminal aliens that come to America, work at cheap wages, suck the government tit and send billions of our dollars to Mexico that I am against.

I hsve several immigrants that I helped to become Nationalized citizens. They are good hard working men. Two are married with hopes of one day helping their wives to come to America and becoming American Citizens the legal way.

🇺🇸 God bless America and President Trump.

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Feb 15, 2019 07:10:57   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
permafrost wrote:
How many immigrants are living in the U.S. illegally?

There were 12.1 million immigrants living in the country illegally as of January 2014, according to the most recent estimate from the Department of Homeland Security. The estimates from two independent groups are similar: The Pew Research Center estimates the number at 11.1 million in 2014, and the Center for Migration Studies says there were 11 million people in 2015 living in the U.S. illegally.

That would be about 3.5 percent to 3.8 percent of the total U.S. population in 2014.

All three groups use Census Bureau data on the foreign-born or noncitizens and adjust to subtract the legal immigrant population. And all three groups say the population of immigrants living in the country illegally has been relatively stable since about 2008-2009.


DHS estimated that the population had increased by 500,000 people total from 2010 to 2014, which “reflects relative stability,” especially when compared with 500,000-person increases each year on average from 2000 to 2007.

The Pew Research Center found a peak of 12.2 million in the population in 2007, decreases for 2008 and 2009, and then a “relative stability” since then.

All three groups find Mexicans make up the majority of the undocumented population — 55 percent in 2014, according to DHS — but the number and share of Mexicans among this population has been declining in recent years.

Those living in the country illegally also have increasingly been here for 10 years or more. DHS says more than 75 percent in 2014 have lived in the U.S. for more than a decade, and only 5 percent came to the country over the previous five years.

The Pew Research Center has slightly different figures, but they show the same trend. “This overall change has been fueled by the decline in new unauthorized immigrants,” it says, “especially those from Mexico.”

What are the facts behind the economic impact of immigrants? We checked Trump's figures with immigration and tax policy experts across the political spectrum,who said he was exaggerating, at best.

"That $200 billion figure does seem inflated to me," said Randy Capps, director for research for U.S. programs at the nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute.

"A little high," said Robert Rector, a senior research fellow with the Heritage Foundation.

"It sounds extraordinarily high to me," said Meg Wiehe, deputy director at the nonpartisan Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP).

"Frankly absurd," David Dyssegaard Kallick, the deputy director of the nonpartisan Fiscal Policy Institute, told NBC News.

IF TRUMP'S WRONG, WHAT'S THE TRUE COST?
Conservative groups like the Heritage Foundation have sought to put a price tag on illegal immigration amid lobbying efforts against legalization, but none have pegged it as high as Trump's estimate.

Rector said his 2013 estimate pegged the cost of undocumented immigrants — the cost of services received minus their tax contributions — was about $54 billion a year.

Fundamentally I think it’s the wrong question. The right question for undocumented immigrants and any group is, 'Are they paying their fair share of taxes and getting their fair share of service?'" Kallick said. "You’re talking about people who work for very low wages and are excluded from nearly all social services. It takes a real act of will to say they're exploiting us."
How many immigrants are living in the U.S. illegal... (show quote)


These figures are based on KNOWN illegal aliens in America. There are millions of unknown illegal criminal aliens in America today that authorities have been unable to count.

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Feb 15, 2019 07:19:01   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
permafrost wrote:
If you are bringing up the killings by any group in America, are you also open to bringing up the simply killing of Americans by all the guns we own?? everyone of us seems to own 5 or 6 at least..

Count the deaths by all of these, deaths for all reasons, then compare that number to the killings my illegals.. even one for anyreason is to many..

But I would feel badly for you if you refused to compare mass shooting only, to the number killed by illegals only..

That seems quite fair I think..

Once more, why would you think I want illegals in America?

Only reason I can see is because I do not favor an ineffective wall..

Again as many times I have posted it, I am for border security.. lots of it.. I am not for the dumb wall..

Maybe trump will get it with his national emergency BS, but it will still be a long time coming and still be a big pile of money down the drain..

Forced diversity??? is that supposed to be a real question?
If you are bringing up the killings by any group ... (show quote)


Don't you think it would be a lot chesper to spend 5 or even 10 billion dollars to build a wall/fence once than spend 150 billion each year to support illegal aliens?

Our tax burden could be reduced with those savings which could save as much as a trillion dollars before repairs to the wall/fence would be needed.


🇺🇸 God bless America and President Trump.

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Feb 15, 2019 07:21:37   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
JoyV wrote:
So you say they can't receive welfare because they don't have legal ID, yet they can pay taxes with no ID? Sorry but other than sales tax, you need an official identity to pay taxes. But there are many taxpayer services other than collecting welfare which illegals are the recipients of. For example, while most Americans get their medical needs met through seeing their primary care doctors, and only going to an ER when it is an emergency; but ERs cannot turn anyone away due to being uninsured or unable to pay. While illegals may have no other alternative than to seek non emergency medical treatment from ERs which is far more costly.

There are no jobs Americans won't do. The reason illegals had been preferred for unskilled labor was because employers could pay them less than minimum wage and not have to provide any benefits or even meet safety regs which they would for Americans.
So you say they can't receive welfare because they... (show quote)


Very good observation.

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Feb 15, 2019 08:00:51   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
permafrost wrote:
you are right about most of this..

/www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/fact-check-how-much-does-illegal-immigration-cost-america-not-n950981


Overall, there is a broad misunderstanding of how much undocumented immigrants contribute to America's balance sheets, and what taxpayer-funded benefits they receive, the experts interviewed by NBC News said.

"Undocumented immigrants are incredible contributors to our economy and are not eligible for public benefits that people think they come here for," Wiehe said.

An estimated half of the nation's undocumented immigrants are believed to be working under fake Social Security numbers, which means they are paying taxes and into Social Security. The ITEP estimates that state and local governments take in $11.74 billion a year from undocumented immigrants.

Wiehe added that undocumented immigrants are also not eligible for the federal earned income tax credit, so they're taxed at higher rates than similar low-income Americans.




Capps said that undocumented immigrants also pay taxes in other ways: paying sales taxes on items they purchase, and funding property taxes through rent payments, too.

Meanwhile, undocumented immigrants are not eligible for Social Security and the vast majority of taxpayer-funded welfare programs like food stamps and cash assistance, according to Capps, the expert with the Migration Policy Institute.

There are some notable exceptions: many receive medical care through emergency rooms and some undocumented immigrants are able to receive taxpayer-funded benefits through the Woman, Infants, and Children program, which helps provide food and formula for low-income pregnant and breastfeeding mothers and young children.

The biggest costs to taxpayers, experts told NBC News, come from public education, which all students are eligible to receive regardless of immigration status.

Researchers and advocates are split on whether it's fair to view the education and welfare of U.S. citizen children born to undocumented immigrants as part of the costs of undocumented immigrants, but most say it's worth considering at least. Rector said it was a big factor in his estimate.

"Public education is where the real big cost comes in," Capps said. "The amount of taxes that the parents pay on their earnings, that they pay through property taxes — passed through on their rent — it's not going to be as much as is spent on public education for their kids and food stamps for their kids."

Still, Capps added, second generation immigrants — the U.S.-born children of undocumented immigrants — often go on to do far better than their parents and can boost the American economy.

"They'll be paying it back over the long run, some of that cost — particularly like public schooling — pays for itself," Capps said. "Some people will just focus on how much more unauthorized immigrants cost than they're paying, but it ignores the broader economic picture."

Kallick said the debate over costs was not relevant to the necessary fiscal conversations the country is having, particularly in a country with citizens that operates on a net negative — running on a deficit.

"Fundamentally I think it’s the wrong question. The right question for undocumented immigrants and any group is, 'Are they paying their fair share of taxes and getting their fair share of service?'" Kallick said. "You’re talking about people who work for very low wages and are excluded from nearly all social services. It takes a real act of will to say they're exploiting us."
you are right about most of this.. br br /www.nbc... (show quote)


Your source of information is not very credible.

There is no such thing ss undocumented immigrants. they are illegal criminal aliens

Also the children if illegal criminal aliens sre not American citizens. They are citizens of their parents are citizens. Not American.

Public schools are funded by property taxes. Some schools do get some federal funding.



🇺🇸 God bless America and President Trump.

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Feb 15, 2019 08:04:34   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
padremike wrote:
I'm going to answer your first question regarding the number of criminal illegal aliens now living in America. The rest of your comment I didn't even read.

The information of 25 million I obtain from OAN news. Daily, several times daily in fact, they show the number of aliens, the cost this day, the cost this year and a couple other bullet points regarding illegal aliens. This information comes out of the Dept of Homeland Security and is a flowing update much like the automated National Debt Clock and the Abortion Clock. Get your proboscis out of CNN and MSNBC and live free.
I'm going to answer your first question regarding ... (show quote)


I also use basically the same source. They sre more accurate than the much lower fake Democrats news outlets.

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Feb 15, 2019 08:08:54   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
JoyV wrote:
How bout a little memory refresher.

1) I wrote, "But the illegals sending money south don't have to go through this process. Although there are recent complaints that Trump is making it harder and more expensive to send money to Latin American countries. His newest proposal has the shocking exorbitant price of 2% tax on money sent south."

2) Bahmer quoted my posted and responded, "Raise it to 25% and then go higher each and every month and that would be for banks as well as any other wire transfer service allowed."

3) You quoted Bahmer's posted response to my post and wrote, "But what the republicans would do is privatize the process and the 25% would go to the pockets of the already very rich who are selected to hoard the money.."

4) I responded to your response and wrote, "How can you privatize taxes?"

5) Now you claim your were referring to the postal service. So why mention the 25% figure of Bahmer's if you weren't responding to it?
How bout a little memory refresher. br br 1) I wr... (show quote)


The 25% tax should be paid to the American Government not private buisness.

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Feb 15, 2019 09:04:49   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
padremike wrote:
I'm going to answer your first question regarding the number of criminal illegal aliens now living in America. The rest of your comment I didn't even read.

The information of 25 million I obtain from OAN news. Daily, several times daily in fact, they show the number of aliens, the cost this day, the cost this year and a couple other bullet points regarding illegal aliens. This information comes out of the Dept of Homeland Security and is a flowing update much like the automated National Debt Clock and the Abortion Clock. Get your proboscis out of CNN and MSNBC and live free.
I'm going to answer your first question regarding ... (show quote)



OAN Is a fish wrap publication from an alt right man who only caters to the most radical of right wingers..

has been sued for libel, is only common rabble..

Nothing on oan is apt to be true in any way..



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Feb 15, 2019 09:06:55   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
padremike wrote:
Forced diversity is a very real and militant force and it's overall agenda is frightening. Stand outside the racist arena and examine the dialogue, the weaponized words and phrases, formulate and organize your thoughts objectively and see what you come up with.




Why does it frighten you so much?



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