Auntie Lulu

Very well said.

JoyV

How can you privatize taxes?

JoyV

Privatization of mail delivery is the norm in some of the socialist leaning countries the left is always moaning we should be more like. Germany and the UK to name a couple. So long as there is no monopoly, competition should result in lower prices. But if mail delivery would be turned over to a single company, I'd be very opposed to it!

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

How many immigrants are living in the U.S. illegally?

There were 12.1 million immigrants living in the country illegally as of January 2014, according to the most recent estimate from the Department of Homeland Security. The estimates from two independent groups are similar: The Pew Research Center estimates the number at 11.1 million in 2014, and the Center for Migration Studies says there were 11 million people in 2015 living in the U.S. illegally.

That would be about 3.5 percent to 3.8 percent of the total U.S. population in 2014.

All three groups use Census Bureau data on the foreign-born or noncitizens and adjust to subtract the legal immigrant population. And all three groups say the population of immigrants living in the country illegally has been relatively stable since about 2008-2009.


DHS estimated that the population had increased by 500,000 people total from 2010 to 2014, which “reflects relative stability,” especially when compared with 500,000-person increases each year on average from 2000 to 2007.

The Pew Research Center found a peak of 12.2 million in the population in 2007, decreases for 2008 and 2009, and then a “relative stability” since then.

All three groups find Mexicans make up the majority of the undocumented population — 55 percent in 2014, according to DHS — but the number and share of Mexicans among this population has been declining in recent years.

Those living in the country illegally also have increasingly been here for 10 years or more. DHS says more than 75 percent in 2014 have lived in the U.S. for more than a decade, and only 5 percent came to the country over the previous five years.

The Pew Research Center has slightly different figures, but they show the same trend. “This overall change has been fueled by the decline in new unauthorized immigrants,” it says, “especially those from Mexico.”

What are the facts behind the economic impact of immigrants? We checked Trump's figures with immigration and tax policy experts across the political spectrum,who said he was exaggerating, at best.

"That $200 billion figure does seem inflated to me," said Randy Capps, director for research for U.S. programs at the nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute.

"A little high," said Robert Rector, a senior research fellow with the Heritage Foundation.

"It sounds extraordinarily high to me," said Meg Wiehe, deputy director at the nonpartisan Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP).

"Frankly absurd," David Dyssegaard Kallick, the deputy director of the nonpartisan Fiscal Policy Institute, told NBC News.

IF TRUMP'S WRONG, WHAT'S THE TRUE COST?
Conservative groups like the Heritage Foundation have sought to put a price tag on illegal immigration amid lobbying efforts against legalization, but none have pegged it as high as Trump's estimate.

Rector said his 2013 estimate pegged the cost of undocumented immigrants — the cost of services received minus their tax contributions — was about $54 billion a year.

Fundamentally I think it’s the wrong question. The right question for undocumented immigrants and any group is, 'Are they paying their fair share of taxes and getting their fair share of service?'" Kallick said. "You’re talking about people who work for very low wages and are excluded from nearly all social services. It takes a real act of will to say they're exploiting us."

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

If you are bringing up the killings by any group in America, are you also open to bringing up the simply killing of Americans by all the guns we own?? everyone of us seems to own 5 or 6 at least..

Count the deaths by all of these, deaths for all reasons, then compare that number to the killings my illegals.. even one for anyreason is to many..

But I would feel badly for you if you refused to compare mass shooting only, to the number killed by illegals only..

That seems quite fair I think..

Once more, why would you think I want illegals in America?

Only reason I can see is because I do not favor an ineffective wall..

Again as many times I have posted it, I am for border security.. lots of it.. I am not for the dumb wall..

Maybe trump will get it with his national emergency BS, but it will still be a long time coming and still be a big pile of money down the drain..

Forced diversity??? is that supposed to be a real question?

About all the wall will keep out..

JoyV

So you say they can't receive welfare because they don't have legal ID, yet they can pay taxes with no ID? Sorry but other than sales tax, you need an official identity to pay taxes. But there are many taxpayer services other than collecting welfare which illegals are the recipients of. For example, while most Americans get their medical needs met through seeing their primary care doctors, and only going to an ER when it is an emergency; but ERs cannot turn anyone away due to being uninsured or unable to pay. While illegals may have no other alternative than to seek non emergency medical treatment from ERs which is far more costly.

There are no jobs Americans won't do. The reason illegals had been preferred for unskilled labor was because employers could pay them less than minimum wage and not have to provide any benefits or even meet safety regs which they would for Americans.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

This was about the USPS... not taxes...

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Yes, that is correct..

My comment was about a plan or wish back in Bush admin in which a group wanted to take over the postal service but did not want to take the stuff that was not a money maker..

they wanted no junk mail or any of the special delivery options.. i think some more than the junk..

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

you are right about most of this..

/www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/fact-check-how-much-does-illegal-immigration-cost-america-not-n950981


Overall, there is a broad misunderstanding of how much undocumented immigrants contribute to America's balance sheets, and what taxpayer-funded benefits they receive, the experts interviewed by NBC News said.

"Undocumented immigrants are incredible contributors to our economy and are not eligible for public benefits that people think they come here for," Wiehe said.

An estimated half of the nation's undocumented immigrants are believed to be working under fake Social Security numbers, which means they are paying taxes and into Social Security. The ITEP estimates that state and local governments take in $11.74 billion a year from undocumented immigrants.

Wiehe added that undocumented immigrants are also not eligible for the federal earned income tax credit, so they're taxed at higher rates than similar low-income Americans.




Capps said that undocumented immigrants also pay taxes in other ways: paying sales taxes on items they purchase, and funding property taxes through rent payments, too.

Meanwhile, undocumented immigrants are not eligible for Social Security and the vast majority of taxpayer-funded welfare programs like food stamps and cash assistance, according to Capps, the expert with the Migration Policy Institute.

There are some notable exceptions: many receive medical care through emergency rooms and some undocumented immigrants are able to receive taxpayer-funded benefits through the Woman, Infants, and Children program, which helps provide food and formula for low-income pregnant and breastfeeding mothers and young children.

The biggest costs to taxpayers, experts told NBC News, come from public education, which all students are eligible to receive regardless of immigration status.

Researchers and advocates are split on whether it's fair to view the education and welfare of U.S. citizen children born to undocumented immigrants as part of the costs of undocumented immigrants, but most say it's worth considering at least. Rector said it was a big factor in his estimate.

"Public education is where the real big cost comes in," Capps said. "The amount of taxes that the parents pay on their earnings, that they pay through property taxes — passed through on their rent — it's not going to be as much as is spent on public education for their kids and food stamps for their kids."

Still, Capps added, second generation immigrants — the U.S.-born children of undocumented immigrants — often go on to do far better than their parents and can boost the American economy.

"They'll be paying it back over the long run, some of that cost — particularly like public schooling — pays for itself," Capps said. "Some people will just focus on how much more unauthorized immigrants cost than they're paying, but it ignores the broader economic picture."

Kallick said the debate over costs was not relevant to the necessary fiscal conversations the country is having, particularly in a country with citizens that operates on a net negative — running on a deficit.

"Fundamentally I think it’s the wrong question. The right question for undocumented immigrants and any group is, 'Are they paying their fair share of taxes and getting their fair share of service?'" Kallick said. "You’re talking about people who work for very low wages and are excluded from nearly all social services. It takes a real act of will to say they're exploiting us."

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

I'm going to answer your first question regarding the number of criminal illegal aliens now living in America. The rest of your comment I didn't even read.

The information of 25 million I obtain from OAN news. Daily, several times daily in fact, they show the number of aliens, the cost this day, the cost this year and a couple other bullet points regarding illegal aliens. This information comes out of the Dept of Homeland Security and is a flowing update much like the automated National Debt Clock and the Abortion Clock. Get your proboscis out of CNN and MSNBC and live free.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

Forced diversity is a very real and militant force and it's overall agenda is frightening. Stand outside the racist arena and examine the dialogue, the weaponized words and phrases, formulate and organize your thoughts objectively and see what you come up with.

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I get that your party is fighting to allow illegal immigrants to pour unimpeded over our sovereign borders. Could you, or some other dem, explain to me WHY? And please, don't conflate your answers with legal immigrants. Thanks.

JoyV

How bout a little memory refresher.

1) I wrote, "But the illegals sending money south don't have to go through this process. Although there are recent complaints that Trump is making it harder and more expensive to send money to Latin American countries. His newest proposal has the shocking exorbitant price of 2% tax on money sent south."

2) Bahmer quoted my posted and responded, "Raise it to 25% and then go higher each and every month and that would be for banks as well as any other wire transfer service allowed."

3) You quoted Bahmer's posted response to my post and wrote, "But what the republicans would do is privatize the process and the 25% would go to the pockets of the already very rich who are selected to hoard the money.."

4) I responded to your response and wrote, "How can you privatize taxes?"

5) Now you claim your were referring to the postal service. So why mention the 25% figure of Bahmer's if you weren't responding to it?