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Feb 14, 2019 14:14:34   #
waltmoreno
 
permafrost wrote:
I have a thought that you are counting people in this nation now.. not crossing in the here and now but living with us..

In no way would these numbers be reduced by a wall. In living with us, they become like us, they do not have a sign on the house declaring they are illegal..

Do you wish for a house to house search???


Here's a good blueprint starting point for cleaning our house: 1st, build the wall to keep the problem from becoming worse; 2nd, increase deportations of illegals with criminal histories, 3rd, ramp up deportations of illegals who aren't interested in assimilating (including people who won't learn english, and/or are getting taxpayer-subsidized benefits).
House to house searches can come after these less intrusive methods are implemented.

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Feb 14, 2019 14:15:06   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
waltmoreno wrote:
Oops,
Hey permie,
Your post of the picture of the number of indictments and convictions between Democratic and Republican administrations is a real hoot! Considering what is already common knowledge of right-thinking people about the Obama's administration use of all government intelligence services to impugn any kind of wrongdoing to Trump in an effort to thwart the will of the American people and their duly elected President while simultaneously overlooking mountains of overt illegality by Hillary and the DNC that even a blind person couldn't ignore.
Things like a phony dossier paid for by Hillary and the DNC, used to illegally obtain wiretaps by a FISA court on Trump during his campaign. Where Nellie Ohr, worked at Fusion where the dossier was tweaked and passed along to more Deep Staters like Strozk, Rosenstein who signed off on it and presented it to the FISA judge. Suffice it to say that many books have been written documenting the abuses.
All it proves is the depth of the Deep State. If there were any kind of rational objective prosecutors, there would be dozens of Obama supporters/holdovers in prison.
Maybe Barr will clean house but I'm not holding my breath.
Oops, br Hey permie, br Your post of the pictu... (show quote)




You know your crazy plots have been the fall back story for conservatives from the days of Goldwater if not longer..

think hard,, how many plots are real when for the to work we need decades of time and now 10,000s of participants none of whom spill the beans...

It should be easy to find real thing to complain about.. the goals of the right and left are very different.
with the right championing the rise of the wealthy as happened in Venezuela and the left the middle/working class which us the prosperity of the 50s.. it should be easy for the right to make real accusations based on what the want, but they never deal with real life information..

Why is that???



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Feb 14, 2019 14:19:49   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
waltmoreno wrote:
Here's a good blueprint starting point for cleaning our house: 1st, build the wall to keep the problem from becoming worse; 2nd, increase deportations of illegals with criminal histories, 3rd, ramp up deportations of illegals who aren't interested in assimilating (including people who won't learn english, and/or are getting taxpayer-subsidized benefits).
House to house searches can come after these less intrusive methods are implemented.




Walt,

The existing wall/fence/barricade has dozens of tunnels under it just near San Diego..

More of the same is spending a lot of money for nothing..

deporting the criminals is what President Obama focused on..

deporting the non assimilating and who refuse work.. Yes, I could go along with that,.



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Feb 14, 2019 14:22:21   #
Hadenough
 
permafrost wrote:
I think you could well be correct about the need to move the ice house, with the orange pig gutting and destroying thee EPA, the water could already be bad, even in this pristine part of the country.

Yes, the orange thing insults and ridicules all those he fears and that is nearly all world leaders..
He is also in favor of pipeline in case you missed that as well.

Sharia law.... another pointless fear of the right wing.. in what world do you see any American judge allowing any other law overriding our own laws of the United States??

As a bit of information.. the only way that Sharia law can be used is in a contract if agreed by all parties. but contracts can be drawn up according to any agreed on laws/rules.. ours, china, american Indian or any made up by the contract principles..

It would be far better for you to worry about our troops in so many places in the world, the projected oil war in Venezuelan.. or extending our presence in Africa, or the none compliance of NK..

Perhaps the future actions of Iran if the hawks continue to undermine the progress made with them by Obama and the world, now hanging by a thread. only due to the expectation of the removal of trump..

But it is in the end a choice for you to make.. hate and fear those brown people slipping into our nation and fixing roofs or harvesting melons.. or anything you please, it is your mind and if it is shot and useless so be it..
I think you could well be correct about the need t... (show quote)


Perm,

First of all, I’m brown, so does that make me a racist? I have been accused of being a racist by about 30 illegals because I arrested one of their compadres who had taken the eye out of one of his drinking buddies. I’ve seen what they do firsthand, have you? That’s just one of many incidents I personally saw or responded to.
Lol, the change starts at the local community level and has already begun.
The people polluting your water are the Somali’s. Do you think they had flushing toilets in Somalia.
You’re just bitter because President Trump is unraveling everything obummer did in 8 yrs in his attempt to undermine our country. Remember “hope and change”.
Iran, don’t go there, you don’t think the money your boy sent there has anything to do with their resurgence?
You’re as blind as tha bat Peeloosly.
You’re fearful of our involvement if any in Venezuela due to the fact it might eliminate a socialist country for you to go to. It won’t happen here so I can see your concern, where will you go for free stuff?
It seems every time President Trump does something libs don’t like we have a shortage of oxygen, it has something to do with the pucker factor.
A liberal American judge would allow anything that goes against our country, take you rose colored glasses off.
5D dem mode.
These invaders sure are learning our ways, think of the money we could save not printing everything in 18 or more difficult languages. Many of these invaders have been here for years and claim to not speak English, how is that for simulation? I must admit that was a ploy they used to get out of a violation of our laws.
Tick Tock Tick Tock TDS boom
MAGA
Don’t forget your daily mantra.

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Feb 14, 2019 14:34:01   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
I have a thought that you are counting people in this nation now.. not crossing in the here and now but living with us..

In no way would these numbers be reduced by a wall. In living with us, they become like us, they do not have a sign on the house declaring they are illegal..

Do you wish for a house to house search???


True, the numbers coming thru official check points will remain or even increase because the illegal traffic will be diverted there by the barrier. We don't actually count the ones crossing that would be reduced by a wall because we DON'T SEE THEM. Der!

As for counting those already here? House to house search? No need. Ever heard of infrared? WE can count in other ways but so far we havn't. Why is that, do you think??

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Feb 14, 2019 15:12:22   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Hadenough wrote:
Perm,

First of all, I’m brown, so does that make me a racist? I have been accused of being a racist by about 30 illegals because I arrested one of their compadres who had taken the eye out of one of his drinking buddies. I’ve seen what they do firsthand, have you? That’s just one of many incidents I personally saw or responded to.
Lol, the change starts at the local community level and has already begun.
The people polluting your water are the Somali’s. Do you think they had flushing toilets in Somalia.
You’re just bitter because President Trump is unraveling everything obummer did in 8 yrs in his attempt to undermine our country. Remember “hope and change”.
Iran, don’t go there, you don’t think the money your boy sent there has anything to do with their resurgence?
You’re as blind as tha bat Peeloosly.
You’re fearful of our involvement if any in Venezuela due to the fact it might eliminate a socialist country for you to go to. It won’t happen here so I can see your concern, where will you go for free stuff?
It seems every time President Trump does something libs don’t like we have a shortage of oxygen, it has something to do with the pucker factor.
A liberal American judge would allow anything that goes against our country, take you rose colored glasses off.
5D dem mode.
These invaders sure are learning our ways, think of the money we could save not printing everything in 18 or more difficult languages. Many of these invaders have been here for years and claim to not speak English, how is that for simulation? I must admit that was a ploy they used to get out of a violation of our laws.
Tick Tock Tick Tock TDS boom
MAGA
Don’t forget your daily mantra.
Perm, br br First of all, I’m brown, so does tha... (show quote)





why do you cling to everything the right wing fish wrap media tells you?

You may be brown, but you sure sound raciest..

Venezualia.... just for information, they were doing very well for a number of years inspite of their political lean..

what ruined the nation was when the criminals gained control of the wealth and put it in their own pocket.

sort of an orange plot as in all mine all mine..

Im the only one who matters..

so it is not the political position, that does not matter to a criminal.. I can think of some who once claimed to be Democrat but changed to Republican when it became evident that was an easy road to control..

I get no freebes from anyone and never a boost up for that matter.

What I have, has been worked darn hard for..

why in any logical way can you think I would want a left leaning country, or any country , as opposed to my own great county, which has always been great and will be again once we get over the orange cloud of foolishness we have now..

But you are correct about my being PO about the gutting of environmental rules by this orange guy you voted for.

The environment is very important to me and a loss of that is a permanent loss while a win is temporary and we must be ready to fight again..

I am not going to repeat all the truths that you must have heard no matter how deep you hid..

Iran got no american money, it was only their own money released to them.. ETC< ETC..



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Feb 14, 2019 15:15:29   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
True, the numbers coming thru official check points will remain or even increase because the illegal traffic will be diverted there by the barrier. We don't actually count the ones crossing that would be reduced by a wall because we DON'T SEE THEM. Der!

As for counting those already here? House to house search? No need. Ever heard of infrared? WE can count in other ways but so far we havn't. Why is that, do you think??




What???

Why have we not used infrared to do house to house searches?

I would say because we had no orange glow worm in the white house..

So we valued the rights of all citizen not just the riches 10%..



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Feb 14, 2019 15:50:42   #
Hadenough
 
permafrost wrote:
why do you cling to everything the right wing fish wrap media tells you?

You may be brown, but you sure sound raciest..

Venezualia.... just for information, they were doing very well for a number of years inspite of their political lean..

what ruined the nation was when the criminals gained control of the wealth and put it in their own pocket.

sort of an orange plot as in all mine all mine..

Im the only one who matters..

so it is not the political position, that does not matter to a criminal.. I can think of some who once claimed to be Democrat but changed to Republican when it became evident that was an easy road to control..

I get no freebes from anyone and never a boost up for that matter.

What I have, has been worked darn hard for..

why in any logical way can you think I would want a left leaning country, or any country , as opposed to my own great county, which has always been great and will be again once we get over the orange cloud of foolishness we have now..

But you are correct about my being PO about the gutting of environmental rules by this orange guy you voted for.

The environment is very important to me and a loss of that is a permanent loss while a win is temporary and we must be ready to fight again..

I am not going to repeat all the truths that you must have heard no matter how deep you hid..

Iran got no american money, it was only their own money released to them.. ETC< ETC..
why do you cling to everything the right wing fish... (show quote)


Perm,

Lol, if I valued your opinion I would have hurt feelings being called a “raciest”. I have been called worse by better men.
You continue living in your world of rainbows and unicorns.
You lean left with your lib media and I lean right, as Graham Ledger says “ even when I’m wrong I’m right”!
Big time 5D dem mode!
Don’t forget your mantra.


Tick Tock Tick Tock TDS boom
MAGA

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Feb 14, 2019 16:05:41   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
What???

Why have we not used infrared to do house to house searches?

I would say because we had no orange glow worm in the white house..

So we valued the rights of all citizen not just the riches 10%..


Well, actually, who says we haven't??

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Feb 14, 2019 16:12:40   #
waltmoreno
 
permafrost wrote:
why do you cling to everything the right wing fish wrap media tells you?

You may be brown, but you sure sound raciest..

Venezualia.... just for information, they were doing very well for a number of years inspite of their political lean..

what ruined the nation was when the criminals gained control of the wealth and put it in their own pocket.

sort of an orange plot as in all mine all mine..

Im the only one who matters..

so it is not the political position, that does not matter to a criminal.. I can think of some who once claimed to be Democrat but changed to Republican when it became evident that was an easy road to control..

I get no freebes from anyone and never a boost up for that matter.

What I have, has been worked darn hard for..

why in any logical way can you think I would want a left leaning country, or any country , as opposed to my own great county, which has always been great and will be again once we get over the orange cloud of foolishness we have now..

But you are correct about my being PO about the gutting of environmental rules by this orange guy you voted for.

The environment is very important to me and a loss of that is a permanent loss while a win is temporary and we must be ready to fight again..

I am not going to repeat all the truths that you must have heard no matter how deep you hid..

Iran got no american money, it was only their own money released to them.. ETC< ETC..
why do you cling to everything the right wing fish... (show quote)


Hey permie, Can you think out your position on the environment logically for a moment?
Assume the US is all in on the environment. We get back into the Paris climate accords. So we're spending billions of dollars to keep the planet within a couple of degrees or so for the next decade. But the real problem polluters like China, Russia, Mexico aren't willing to spend that kind of money. So what is the end result? We go broke chasing unicorns and rainbows. (FYI, that's the real objective of those who worship at that alter.)
Consider also that capitalist societies already police themselves far more insofar as environmental policies than communist or totalitarian societies. After all, who wants to spend their money on companies which excessively pollute the environment? And you can be sure that that information will be made public in a free capitalist society.
Most importantly, consider for a moment that a single solar flare or volcano on earth can undo decades of leading an austere, strictly environmentally-conscious life. It's so presumptive for humans to think they can control climate change on earth. They can't.

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Feb 14, 2019 16:19:34   #
Mikeyavelli
 
waltmoreno wrote:
Hey permie, Can you think out your position on the environment logically for a moment?
Assume the US is all in on the environment. We get back into the Paris climate accords. So we're spending billions of dollars to keep the planet within a couple of degrees or so for the next decade. But the real problem polluters like China, Russia, Mexico aren't willing to spend that kind of money. So what is the end result? We go broke chasing unicorns and rainbows. (FYI, that's the real objective of those who worship at that alter.)
Consider also that capitalist societies already police themselves far more insofar as environmental policies than communist or totalitarian societies. After all, who wants to spend their money on companies which excessively pollute the environment? And you can be sure that that information will be made public in a free capitalist society.
Most importantly, consider for a moment that a single solar flare or volcano on earth can undo decades of leading an austere, strictly environmentally-conscious life. It's so presumptive for humans to think they can control climate change on earth. They can't.
Hey permie, Can you think out your position on the... (show quote)


We bring nothing, we take nothing. We cannot create or destroy matter. The universe isn't concerned by any of our actions.

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Feb 14, 2019 16:38:30   #
Hadenough
 
permafrost wrote:
why do you cling to everything the right wing fish wrap media tells you?

You may be brown, but you sure sound raciest..

Venezualia.... just for information, they were doing very well for a number of years inspite of their political lean..

what ruined the nation was when the criminals gained control of the wealth and put it in their own pocket.

sort of an orange plot as in all mine all mine..

Im the only one who matters..

so it is not the political position, that does not matter to a criminal.. I can think of some who once claimed to be Democrat but changed to Republican when it became evident that was an easy road to control..

I get no freebes from anyone and never a boost up for that matter.

What I have, has been worked darn hard for..

why in any logical way can you think I would want a left leaning country, or any country , as opposed to my own great county, which has always been great and will be again once we get over the orange cloud of foolishness we have now..

But you are correct about my being PO about the gutting of environmental rules by this orange guy you voted for.

The environment is very important to me and a loss of that is a permanent loss while a win is temporary and we must be ready to fight again..

I am not going to repeat all the truths that you must have heard no matter how deep you hid..

Iran got no american money, it was only their own money released to them.. ETC< ETC..
why do you cling to everything the right wing fish... (show quote)


Perm,

So you don’t have a problem with your boy giving billions of dollars to Iran a known sponsor of terrorism, because it was their money.
My question to you is, are you okay with giving a known murderer (not convicted) his gun back because it’s his? Yes or no.
Or give a drunk driver a car that is under the influence because it’s his? Yes or no
Now don’t go into dem 5D mode: Deflect
Give an honest answer if you’re capable.

Tick Tock Tick Tock TDS boom
MAGA

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Feb 14, 2019 16:40:40   #
woodguru
 
son of witless wrote:
When Obama was using the power of the almighty Federal Government to punish his political enemies and divide Americans, did you complain ? The IRS singled out Tea Party organizations while giving left wing groups a pass. Or did you FORGET about these happenings ?

Cry your crocodile tears about Trump.


Actually...following that story it became apparent that is was a Roger Stone BS special. IRS has been cut by a third of it's force at a time when it needs to be stronger to keep more people honest.

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Feb 14, 2019 17:07:22   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
permafrost wrote:
Mike, look at your last post,,,, tell me then, who is promoting insurrection and war..


Nice try but we don't agree with your perverted view . Do I believe you Marxist amoral Pogressives need to be stopped? Unquestionably! By violence if necessary? Yes, as prescribed under the provisions given to Constitutional, freedom loving Americans under the second amendment of the Constitution. Do you have any clear understanding of what I'm talking about?

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Feb 14, 2019 17:12:04   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
waltmoreno wrote:
Hey permie, Can you think out your position on the environment logically for a moment?
Assume the US is all in on the environment. We get back into the Paris climate accords. So we're spending billions of dollars to keep the planet within a couple of degrees or so for the next decade. But the real problem polluters like China, Russia, Mexico aren't willing to spend that kind of money. So what is the end result? We go broke chasing unicorns and rainbows. (FYI, that's the real objective of those who worship at that alter.)
Consider also that capitalist societies already police themselves far more insofar as environmental policies than communist or totalitarian societies. After all, who wants to spend their money on companies which excessively pollute the environment? And you can be sure that that information will be made public in a free capitalist society.
Most importantly, consider for a moment that a single solar flare or volcano on earth can undo decades of leading an austere, strictly environmentally-conscious life. It's so presumptive for humans to think they can control climate change on earth. They can't.
Hey permie, Can you think out your position on the... (show quote)




Gosh walt,,, where should I begin???

Well, I am not about to try and inform you for all the incorrect information (lies) you have posted, I am pretty sure you know most of that..

But I will point out that the Paris accord on the climate change problem is nothing like the gutting of the EPA which in time could affect my lake and directly affect the life of whoever live here.

while the most important threat of that is the Poly-met mine operation that may well be allowed to go into this area and could well destroy the wilderness canoe area and even the lake Superior water shed..

But, as for the accord.. the truth is that China, India and every major industrial nation in the world is joining in the CC battle and they are putting out the share of cost that is required.

they are not sitting waiting on the US to do anything.. money or effort..

In the real world the need is well accepted and apart from the fossil fueled financing of the american right wingers no deniers are in play..

So, while the paper companies are mostly under control the fossil fuel industries in our nation are throwing money in piles to slow the incoming changes to the way business is conducted in our nation..

And as I read you comments... are you for one minute saying you think bottom line concerned business would be for one minute concerned with our health, well being and living standards??

They have proved time after time that is the last thing they are going to address..

Regulations are needed for very good reason and that fact is the most dominant..



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