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Feb 14, 2019 12:43:56   #
waltmoreno
 
You tell em padre!
Lincoln said that the only way the US could be defeated was from within.
And the left, already deeply entrenched, is doing its level best to destroy this, the last best hope for man on earth.

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Feb 14, 2019 13:13:45   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
That's not what he is advocating. And your false equivalencies be damned; they are not related.

And how do you think illegal immigration is declining? Because of declining apprehensions???



Easy to find.. lots of verification from Govt. sources that trump does not know exist..


https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2019/01/17/falling-illegal-immigration-numbers-confirm-no-border-crisis/#7403c08133fb

If America is facing a crisis at the border, then why is the unauthorized immigrant population declining? That is the question raised by a new study from the Center for Migration Studies of New York and other recent data.

For the past several months, including in a January 8, 2019, televised address, Donald Trump has argued America faces an illegal immigration crisis. Administration officials have supported this viewpoint in speeches around the country, including in several high-profile events at the border.

The data do not support a picture of an increasing number of unauthorized immigrants in the United States. “While the president has focused the nation’s attention on the border wall, half a million U.S. undocumented residents from Mexico left the undocumented population in 2016 alone, more than three times the number that arrived that year, leading to an overall decrease of nearly 400,000 undocumented residents from Mexico from 2016 to 2017,” according to new research from Robert Warren, a demographer and senior visiting fellow at the Center for Migration Studies. (Emphasis added.)

One of dozens of stories on the subject.. stats from Govt, agencies..

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2019/01/17/falling-illegal-immigration-numbers-confirm-no-border-crisis/#7403c08133fb


Table 1: Undocumented Population in the U.S.: 2010 to 2017

2010 2017
11.7 million 10.7 million

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Feb 14, 2019 13:16:24   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
padremike wrote:
You better believe they have become the enemy of America. They are promoting insurrection and when it comes they will be destroyed by their own making.




Mike, look at your last post,,,, tell me then, who is promoting insurrection and war..



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Feb 14, 2019 13:19:24   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
waltmoreno wrote:
You mean I should concern myself with important stuff like climate change, or income inequality, or transgenders in the military? Stuff like that?


I was thinking more in any of the thing which I mentioned.. troops here and there. trade decline, future short term of our economy.. any of dozens that are much more concern then the "wall"

Or maybe just about how to beat the dandy lines when spring comes..



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Feb 14, 2019 13:31:05   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
padremike wrote:
First things first! People like you and the rest of your Marxist Progressive mob present the greatest danger America has ever faced. Everything you touch you corrupt. Do I see you as dangerous an enemy as China, Russia or North Korea? Of course not! You're a much greater threat! You're already here and you've corrupted our government! You are the clear and present danger amongst us now! Right now you're vigorously trying to destroy and remove a president without due cause. You've promoted more evil by calling them "rights" and in this process are killing our Constitution! Yes, you better believe you represent the greatest evil we've ever faced and all the while you believe you are actually doing good! We were warned about you a long time ago, people who do evil and call it good!
First things first! People like you and the rest ... (show quote)



Mike, I do not want your orange globe removed....

even if the republicans feel he is not worth keeping and want him out, I want him to remain and given full credit for the deeds he has done come the 2020 vote..

With the constant fight by the conservatives to set back the constitutional laws of the land, and the orange dummy having no understanding of any laws, our or others we need a steadfast group in charge and we need it before more of the evil design on the nation is implemented..

your orange thing will serve as the bad example for decades if not generations and I want him front and center, not only in the background of history.



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Feb 14, 2019 13:34:41   #
Hadenough
 
permafrost wrote:
cheer up Hadenough, I have been told by she who knows that all is not as bad as we often think it is..

Problems are not an either/or in scope and we do have people on both sides who work for the middle ground, although it seems they are hard to find..

the wall situation will move on and we can work on the real problems..

have a good day.. the sun will shine..it did up here yesterday, more snow today..


Perm,

The sun shines everyday since President Trump was elected. I think it’s time you moved your ice fishing shelter. You might have drilled your hole over a sewage plant, don’t eat your catch, it might be to late with all the crap you spew. You couldn’t respond to my rebuttal so you go into 5D dem mode.
You have no clue why President Trump uses Twitter, think about it, the liberal media twists everything he says. What better way to get his message out. You contradict yourself, one minute you’re talking about he disrespected the Canadian PM and the next breath you complain about the pipeline.
The way I see it President Trump didn’t disrespect Trudea, he would have to respect him first before he could disrespect him. How long would it take for you to cross into Canada? You will fit in quite well in lib land. Don’t forget to denounce your citizenship when you leave!
Pull your head out of your old ice hole and drill another in cleaner water. I bet you can’t wait for sharia law in your community. You won’t have to make excuses for making women walk behind you.
You’re right we have no need to worry about illegal immigration, it’s the enemy within we need to worry about, (dems/libs/progs)!
5D mode: Disrupt, Deceive, Deny, Deflect and Delusional.

Mantra: Hate Trump, hate Trump, orange man bad, pant pant pant, wipe drool, repeat until you feel better.

Tick Tock Tick Tock TDS boom
MAGA

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Feb 14, 2019 13:34:48   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
Easy to find.. lots of verification from Govt. sources that trump does not know exist..


https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2019/01/17/falling-illegal-immigration-numbers-confirm-no-border-crisis/#7403c08133fb

If America is facing a crisis at the border, then why is the unauthorized immigrant population declining? That is the question raised by a new study from the Center for Migration Studies of New York and other recent data.

For the past several months, including in a January 8, 2019, televised address, Donald Trump has argued America faces an illegal immigration crisis. Administration officials have supported this viewpoint in speeches around the country, including in several high-profile events at the border.

The data do not support a picture of an increasing number of unauthorized immigrants in the United States. “While the president has focused the nation’s attention on the border wall, half a million U.S. undocumented residents from Mexico left the undocumented population in 2016 alone, more than three times the number that arrived that year, leading to an overall decrease of nearly 400,000 undocumented residents from Mexico from 2016 to 2017,” according to new research from Robert Warren, a demographer and senior visiting fellow at the Center for Migration Studies. (Emphasis added.)

One of dozens of stories on the subject.. stats from Govt, agencies..

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2019/01/17/falling-illegal-immigration-numbers-confirm-no-border-crisis/#7403c08133fb


Table 1: Undocumented Population in the U.S.: 2010 to 2017

2010 2017
11.7 million 10.7 million
Easy to find.. lots of verification from Govt. sou... (show quote)


""The estimates presented here were derived by CMS based on information collected in the Census Bureau’s annual American Community Survey (ACS).""

Do you know how many illegals will take a census survey? Zero! Do you know how many legals will lie about illegals? Most!

It's even worse than saying illegal immigration is down due to a decrease in apprehensions.

I have watched the numbers of Hispanics increase steadily over the past 30 to 40 years and I can tell you, there are way more than is estimated. Determining actual numbers is an almost impossible task.

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Feb 14, 2019 13:36:19   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
Mike, look at your last post,,,, tell me then, who is promoting insurrection and war..


Do you actually think this is meaningful??

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Feb 14, 2019 13:37:19   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
Mike, I do not want your orange globe removed....

even if the republicans feel he is not worth keeping and want him out, I want him to remain and given full credit for the deeds he has done come the 2020 vote..

With the constant fight by the conservatives to set back the constitutional laws of the land, and the orange dummy having no understanding of any laws, our or others we need a steadfast group in charge and we need it before more of the evil design on the nation is implemented..

your orange thing will serve as the bad example for decades if not generations and I want him front and center, not only in the background of history.
Mike, I do not want your orange globe removed.... ... (show quote)


In what way has Trump violated constitutional laws?????

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Feb 14, 2019 13:42:16   #
waltmoreno
 
permafrost wrote:
Mike, look at your last post,,,, tell me then, who is promoting insurrection and war..


Hey permie,

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Feb 14, 2019 14:00:15   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Hadenough wrote:
Perm,

The sun shines everyday since President Trump was elected. I think it’s time you moved your ice fishing shelter. You might have drilled your hole over a sewage plant, don’t eat your catch, it might be to late with all the crap you spew. You couldn’t respond to my rebuttal so you go into 5D dem mode.
You have no clue why President Trump uses Twitter, think about it, the liberal media twists everything he says. What better way to get his message out. You contradict yourself, one minute you’re talking about he disrespected the Canadian PM and the next breath you complain about the pipeline.
The way I see it President Trump didn’t disrespect Trudea, he would have to respect him first before he could disrespect him. How long would it take for you to cross into Canada? You will fit in quite well in lib land. Don’t forget to denounce your citizenship when you leave!
Pull your head out of your old ice hole and drill another in cleaner water. I bet you can’t wait for sharia law in your community. You won’t have to make excuses for making women walk behind you.
You’re right we have no need to worry about illegal immigration, it’s the enemy within we need to worry about, (dems/libs/progs)!
5D mode: Disrupt, Deceive, Deny, Deflect and Delusional.

Mantra: Hate Trump, hate Trump, orange man bad, pant pant pant, wipe drool, repeat until you feel better.

Tick Tock Tick Tock TDS boom
MAGA
Perm, br br The sun shines everyday since Preside... (show quote)




I think you could well be correct about the need to move the ice house, with the orange pig gutting and destroying thee EPA, the water could already be bad, even in this pristine part of the country.

Yes, the orange thing insults and ridicules all those he fears and that is nearly all world leaders..
He is also in favor of pipeline in case you missed that as well.

Sharia law.... another pointless fear of the right wing.. in what world do you see any American judge allowing any other law overriding our own laws of the United States??

As a bit of information.. the only way that Sharia law can be used is in a contract if agreed by all parties. but contracts can be drawn up according to any agreed on laws/rules.. ours, china, american Indian or any made up by the contract principles..

It would be far better for you to worry about our troops in so many places in the world, the projected oil war in Venezuelan.. or extending our presence in Africa, or the none compliance of NK..

Perhaps the future actions of Iran if the hawks continue to undermine the progress made with them by Obama and the world, now hanging by a thread. only due to the expectation of the removal of trump..

But it is in the end a choice for you to make.. hate and fear those brown people slipping into our nation and fixing roofs or harvesting melons.. or anything you please, it is your mind and if it is shot and useless so be it..



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Feb 14, 2019 14:01:20   #
waltmoreno
 
permafrost wrote:
Mike, look at your last post,,,, tell me then, who is promoting insurrection and war..


Oops,
Hey permie,
Your post of the picture of the number of indictments and convictions between Democratic and Republican administrations is a real hoot! Considering what is already common knowledge of right-thinking people about the Obama's administration use of all government intelligence services to impugn any kind of wrongdoing to Trump in an effort to thwart the will of the American people and their duly elected President while simultaneously overlooking mountains of overt illegality by Hillary and the DNC that even a blind person couldn't ignore.
Things like a phony dossier paid for by Hillary and the DNC, used to illegally obtain wiretaps by a FISA court on Trump during his campaign. Where Nellie Ohr, worked at Fusion where the dossier was tweaked and passed along to more Deep Staters like Strozk, Rosenstein who signed off on it and presented it to the FISA judge. Suffice it to say that many books have been written documenting the abuses.
All it proves is the depth of the Deep State. If there were any kind of rational objective prosecutors, there would be dozens of Obama supporters/holdovers in prison.
Maybe Barr will clean house but I'm not holding my breath.

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Feb 14, 2019 14:04:07   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
""The estimates presented here were derived by CMS based on information collected in the Census Bureau’s annual American Community Survey (ACS).""

Do you know how many illegals will take a census survey? Zero! Do you know how many legals will lie about illegals? Most!

It's even worse than saying illegal immigration is down due to a decrease in apprehensions.

I have watched the numbers of Hispanics increase steadily over the past 30 to 40 years and I can tell you, there are way more than is estimated. Determining actual numbers is an almost impossible task.
""The estimates presented here were deri... (show quote)




I have a thought that you are counting people in this nation now.. not crossing in the here and now but living with us..

In no way would these numbers be reduced by a wall. In living with us, they become like us, they do not have a sign on the house declaring they are illegal..

Do you wish for a house to house search???



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Feb 14, 2019 14:05:27   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Do you actually think this is meaningful??




padra mike posts a lot that makes me think he maybe conflicted..

Given that, I still admire him..

So stop picking on him..

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Feb 14, 2019 14:07:58   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
In what way has Trump violated constitutional laws?????




The easy one would be to look into emollient laws..


i would add tax and contact with Russia, but I will let that all develop in real time..



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