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Feb 4, 2019 10:35:25   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
BigMike wrote:
Known terrorists, human traffickers, wanted gang members etc. won't be using ports of entry.


Except in California where they are welcomed.

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Feb 4, 2019 13:20:13   #
Ferrous Loc: Pacific North Coast, CA
 
I see that The president of Mexico has provide buses to transport the approx. 2000 migrants to cover the last 300 miles. They should arrive at the Texas/Mexico border later this afternoon. Many of the migrants has stated that they will try and cross illegally.

I understand that President Trump is sending more US troops there to secure the area.

What happens when so many of them charge the border??? A humanitarian crises of epic proportions and more caravans are on the way.

Maybe they should ankle brace them, ship them to California when Gov. Newsome will welcome them with open arms. The Ankle Bracelets will hopefully keep them from migrating out of California.

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Feb 4, 2019 13:39:33   #
Lonewolf
 
Ferrous wrote:
I see that The president of Mexico has provide buses to transport the approx. 2000 migrants to cover the last 300 miles. They should arrive at the Texas/Mexico border later this afternoon. Many of the migrants has stated that they will try and cross illegally.

I understand that President Trump is sending more US troops there to secure the area.

What happens when so many of them charge the border??? A humanitarian crises of epic proportions and more caravans are on the way.

Maybe they should ankle brace them, ship them to California when Gov. Newsome will welcome them with open arms. The Ankle Bracelets will hopefully keep them from migrating out of California.
I see that The president of Mexico has provide bus... (show quote)


they don't charge the border

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Feb 4, 2019 14:44:28   #
Ferrous Loc: Pacific North Coast, CA
 
Really? You know that for a fact?

What if they do?...

We'll find out soon enough... President Trump has ordered an additional 3,700 Federal troops to be at the border in anticipation of the hoards wanting in to the US.

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Feb 4, 2019 15:21:39   #
Lonewolf
 
Ferrous wrote:
Really? You know that for a fact?

What if they do?...

We'll find out soon enough... President Trump has ordered an additional 3,700 Federal troops to be at the border in anticipation of the hoards wanting in to the US.


how many groups have already come this last year they stand in line to fill out paper work most end up going home. this is nothing but trumps campaign of fear

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Feb 4, 2019 15:56:16   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Lonewolf wrote:
how many groups have already come this last year...


(This last year. Hmmm. This last year. Why isn't he talking about what was happening earlier?)

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...they stand in line to fill out paper work most end up going home...


(Reasonable and orderly...)

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...this is nothing but trumps campaign of fear


I don't get it.

Are you saying we've always had paid groups of thousands coming from Central America and there's always been places where they line up and apply for refugee status, with the available benefits, where people process them and reject the fakers in an orderly fashion?

Are you saying it's always been like this and for some reason Trump is trying to mess it up?

Because if you're even anywhere in that vicinity you're a NUT if you think the average Joe would buy that one.

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Feb 4, 2019 16:00:05   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Lonewolf wrote:
they don't charge the border


Why don't they charge the border?



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Feb 4, 2019 16:44:50   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
These "caravans" are not a new deal.. been around for years.. never a problem that could not be handled.

Only trump insists it is some sort of emergency..

This article from last year contains some of the real deal and some of the orange rants..


https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/border-baja-california/sd-me-refugee-caravan-20180403-story.html


he Central American caravan headed north toward the United States through Mexico may have attracted the attention of President Donald Trump and others for good reason — it’s one of the largest since the group Pueblo Sin Fronteras began staging its annual pilgrimage through Mexico a decade ago.

The caravan has come as Mexico has seen an increase in asylum requests, said Maureen Meyer of the Washington, D.C.-based think thank Washington Office on Latin America. Requests have risen from 3,424 in 2015 to 14,596 last year.

“Mexico is seen more and more as a destination, but other individuals and families certainly continued to see the United States as an option,” Meyer said.

The Pueblo Sin Fronteras caravan has drawn members of entire families, but also unaccompanied adolescents, single women and fathers with children. Mujica said the numbers included 300 children and 400 women. Though 1,500 launched from Tapachula in southern Mexico on March 25, they have not all remained with the caravan, which was down to 1,050 on Monday.

Though the Pueblo Sin Fronteras caravan has been staged for years, it drew relatively little attention until Trump began tweeting.

President Trump said that “these big flows of people are all trying to take advantage of DACA. They want in on the act!”

In fact, the people in the caravan would not qualify for DACA, or deferred action for childhood arrivals. Mujica said that caravan participants “don’t have any idea about DACA.”

While authorities in Mexico had not sought to detain the caravan as of Monday, Mexican government statistics show that authorities deport large numbers of Central Americans from the country. Last year’s total was 76,433, according to statistics from Mexico’s Ministry of Interior; of those, 35,133 came from Guatemala, while 29,002 came from Honduras.

In January and February, Mexico deported nearly 16,000 Central Americans, statistics showed, with the highest numbers from Guatemala and Honduras.

While the caravan has been moving northward, “it would be foolish to say that this is a signal that Mexico is doing nothing to stop Central Americans or others from reaching the U.S.-Mexico border,” said Meyer of the Washington Office on Latin America.

The caravan participants, “are not a security risk to the United States,” Meyer said. “This should be treated more as a humanitarian situation and not some threat to the U.S. Families are hoping that the United States will protect them from their own countries.”

The caravan has been has been taking place for several years, “but this is the first time that Donald Trump has made an issue of it,” said Eric Olson, deputy director of the Latin American Program at the Woodrow Wilson Center in Washington, D.C. “The way the Trump administration wants to spin this is that this is about Mexicans letting Central Americans into the United States, but that is not what is going on.”

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/border-baja-california/sd-me-refugee-caravan-20180403-story.html

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Feb 4, 2019 17:03:10   #
Seth
 
woodguru wrote:
Wouldn't these busts indicate the job doesn't need a wall?


No, any security professional would rightly ask, "If two were caught crossing, how many crossed that weren't caught?

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Feb 4, 2019 18:04:24   #
Ferrous Loc: Pacific North Coast, CA
 
Lonewolf wrote:
how many groups have already come this last year they stand in line to fill out paper work most end up going home. this is nothing but trumps campaign of fear


Then this never happened?

https://freebeacon.com/issues/thousands-migrants-charge-guatemala-mexico-border-en-route-u-s/

Or this at our border in Tijuana?

https://www.theepochtimes.com/videos-of-the-day-migrants-breach-border-fence-throw-rocks_2723917.html

Seems these things never happened according to Lonewolf… Just innocent migrants peacefully applying for entry into the United States.

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Feb 4, 2019 18:14:17   #
Ferrous Loc: Pacific North Coast, CA
 
Seth wrote:
No, any security professional would rightly ask, "If two were caught crossing, how many crossed that weren't caught?


These illegals aren't trying to "not be caught"... They present themselves to the border agents and state they are seeking asylum. They have been schooled to say this to use our laws against us.

Our politicians are to blame for this immigration mess we find ourselves in. Trump wants to finally deal with true immigration reform but the Democrats and "Never Trumps" are bound and determined to not ever give him a win. They put their own hatred for the president over the well being of our Nation. They are breaking their sworn oath to protect this Nation from enemies both foreign and domestic.

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Feb 4, 2019 18:42:54   #
Pingoo
 
These drug and human smugglers, as well as illegal immigrants criminals, are like rats; it's not the ones you see, but the ones you don't see that dodge detection.

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Feb 4, 2019 19:16:51   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Ferrous wrote:
Then this never happened?

https://freebeacon.com/issues/thousands-migrants-charge-guatemala-mexico-border-en-route-u-s/

Or this at our border in Tijuana?

https://www.theepochtimes.com/videos-of-the-day-migrants-breach-border-fence-throw-rocks_2723917.html

Seems these things never happened according to Lonewolf… Just innocent migrants peacefully applying for entry into the United States.




OK, so what did Guatemala do about their problem with Mexico??

Mexico is accepting an ever growing number of refugees from the triangle nations.. They took a large number from the caravan in reference..

These people stopped and hands up asked to be arrested, then treated as the BP treats all such aliens every day.. nothing new other then the action to gain attention to their needs..



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Feb 4, 2019 20:17:22   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
permafrost wrote:
These "caravans" are not a new deal.. been around for years.. never a problem that could not be handled.

Only trump insists it is some sort of emergency..

This article from last year contains some of the real deal and some of the orange rants..


https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/border-baja-california/sd-me-refugee-caravan-20180403-story.html


he Central American caravan headed north toward the United States through Mexico may have attracted the attention of President Donald Trump and others for good reason — it’s one of the largest since the group Pueblo Sin Fronteras began staging its annual pilgrimage through Mexico a decade ago.

The caravan has come as Mexico has seen an increase in asylum requests, said Maureen Meyer of the Washington, D.C.-based think thank Washington Office on Latin America. Requests have risen from 3,424 in 2015 to 14,596 last year.

“Mexico is seen more and more as a destination, but other individuals and families certainly continued to see the United States as an option,” Meyer said.

The Pueblo Sin Fronteras caravan has drawn members of entire families, but also unaccompanied adolescents, single women and fathers with children. Mujica said the numbers included 300 children and 400 women. Though 1,500 launched from Tapachula in southern Mexico on March 25, they have not all remained with the caravan, which was down to 1,050 on Monday.

Though the Pueblo Sin Fronteras caravan has been staged for years, it drew relatively little attention until Trump began tweeting.

President Trump said that “these big flows of people are all trying to take advantage of DACA. They want in on the act!”

In fact, the people in the caravan would not qualify for DACA, or deferred action for childhood arrivals. Mujica said that caravan participants “don’t have any idea about DACA.”

While authorities in Mexico had not sought to detain the caravan as of Monday, Mexican government statistics show that authorities deport large numbers of Central Americans from the country. Last year’s total was 76,433, according to statistics from Mexico’s Ministry of Interior; of those, 35,133 came from Guatemala, while 29,002 came from Honduras.

In January and February, Mexico deported nearly 16,000 Central Americans, statistics showed, with the highest numbers from Guatemala and Honduras.

While the caravan has been moving northward, “it would be foolish to say that this is a signal that Mexico is doing nothing to stop Central Americans or others from reaching the U.S.-Mexico border,” said Meyer of the Washington Office on Latin America.

The caravan participants, “are not a security risk to the United States,” Meyer said. “This should be treated more as a humanitarian situation and not some threat to the U.S. Families are hoping that the United States will protect them from their own countries.”

The caravan has been has been taking place for several years, “but this is the first time that Donald Trump has made an issue of it,” said Eric Olson, deputy director of the Latin American Program at the Woodrow Wilson Center in Washington, D.C. “The way the Trump administration wants to spin this is that this is about Mexicans letting Central Americans into the United States, but that is not what is going on.”

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/border-baja-california/sd-me-refugee-caravan-20180403-story.html
These "caravans" are not a new deal.. be... (show quote)


You're saying what we're seeing is business as usual? Bullshit!

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Feb 4, 2019 20:18:59   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
permafrost wrote:
OK, so what did Guatemala do about their problem with Mexico??

Mexico is accepting an ever growing number of refugees from the triangle nations.. They took a large number from the caravan in reference..

These people stopped and hands up asked to be arrested, then treated as the BP treats all such aliens every day.. nothing new other then the action to gain attention to their needs..


Ya, ya...business as usual...yawn.

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