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What Does Brexit and the US Government Have In Common?
Jan 18, 2019 06:19:39   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
Having just read an article entitled "Run Down The Brexit Clock", let's take a look at what each have in common.

First, Brexit:
"Leaving the European Union is painful by design. The process any member state must follow to exit the EU is governed by Article 50 of the bloc’s Lisbon Treaty, which, ironically, was authored by a British diplomat keen to deter exits from the EU. That is why Article 50 sets a two-year negotiation period ending with an ominous deadline: If negotiations have not produced a divorce agreement within the prescribed period – March 29, 2019, in Britain’s case – the member state suddenly finds itself outside the EU, facing disproportionate hardships overnight.

This rule undermines meaningful negotiations. Negotiators focus on the end date and conclude that the other side has no incentive to reveal its hand before then. Whether the allotted negotiation period is two months, two years, or two decades, the result is the same: the stronger side (the European Commission in Brussels in this case) has an incentive to run down the clock and make no significant compromises before the eleventh hour.

Moreover, this realization affects the behavior of other key players: Tory government ministers opposed to their prime minister, the leader of the Labour opposition, Jeremy Corbyn, members of Labour’s front bench who are opposed to Corbyn, and the German and French governments. Every significant political actor in this game has an incentive to sit back and let the clock tick down to the bitter end.

With fewer than three months left, the prospect of Britain falling out of the EU without a deal is, understandably, terrifying. A natural response is to call for an extension of Article 50, to reset the clock and give negotiations more time. That instinct must be resisted.

Any resetting of the clock would simply extend the paralysis, not speed up convergence toward a good agreement. Giving May another three months, or even three years, would do nothing to create incentives to reveal hidden preferences or to drop fictitious red lines."

Now, let's look at the US Government shutdown:

You have two opposing positions, the establishment Democrats and the populist Trump (Note I did not say Republicans because many in his own party are lukewarm supporters). Perhaps the most visible bone of contention is the issue of illegal immigration and Trump's position on the border wall, which was a key Trump campaigning promise as part of his solution to this problem. Pelosi/Schumer are the EU. They've got control of the purse in the House, and feel that they can humble and humiliate the President by denying him any sort of solution to this issue. Their strategy is to insist there really is no problem, and use the media to gin up the public on the hardships being caused by the shutdown to force Trump's hand to re-open the government.

Yes, there is pain involved by many in our country: from airport travelers, to tourists visiting National Parks that are closed down and filled with garbage, to government employees not being paid, etc.

But re-opening the government and expecting the Democrats and Trump to negotiate a compromise is a non-started. Just like the European Union has no incentive to make concessions to Britan leaving the EU, the Democrats have no incentive to concede one inch to Trump. They seek to destroy him, and are betting that pressure to re-open the government from the media, and even those within his own party will force his hand.

Back to Brexit:
"With fewer than three months left, the prospect of Britain falling out of the EU without a deal is, understandably, terrifying. A natural response is to call for an extension of Article 50, to reset the clock and give negotiations more time. That instinct must be resisted.

Any resetting of the clock would simply extend the paralysis, not speed up convergence toward a good agreement. Giving May another three months, or even three years, would do nothing to create incentives to reveal hidden preferences or to drop fictitious red lines.

Indeed, the worst aspect of May’s deal, which Parliament emphatically and wisely rejected, was that it extended the transition process until 2022, with the UK committing to paying around $50 billion, and possibly more, to the EU in exchange for nothing more than unenforceable promises of some future mutually advantageous deal. Had Parliament voted in favor of May’s deal, it would have prolonged the current gridlock to a new cliff edge three years hence."

Bottom line, Trump cannot re-open the government without some resolution on the immigration/border wall. He, and his party must hold together until the pain becomes so great, that the Democrats come to the table and negotiate a solution to the immigration/border situation. If he caves in and re-opens the government without some resolution to this problem, he will loose the support his base, and can expect continued opposition by an energized Democratic opposition on each and every one of his initiatives.

There are many in the liberal community that would be willing to see economic pain, and hardship, and a recession in the American economy if it means a defeat for Trump. That is exactly why America must go thru this excruciating process, and a continued government shutdown.

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Jan 18, 2019 08:17:22   #
Liberty Tree
 
ACP45 wrote:
Having just read an article entitled "Run Down The Brexit Clock", let's take a look at what each have in common.

First, Brexit:
"Leaving the European Union is painful by design. The process any member state must follow to exit the EU is governed by Article 50 of the bloc’s Lisbon Treaty, which, ironically, was authored by a British diplomat keen to deter exits from the EU. That is why Article 50 sets a two-year negotiation period ending with an ominous deadline: If negotiations have not produced a divorce agreement within the prescribed period – March 29, 2019, in Britain’s case – the member state suddenly finds itself outside the EU, facing disproportionate hardships overnight.

This rule undermines meaningful negotiations. Negotiators focus on the end date and conclude that the other side has no incentive to reveal its hand before then. Whether the allotted negotiation period is two months, two years, or two decades, the result is the same: the stronger side (the European Commission in Brussels in this case) has an incentive to run down the clock and make no significant compromises before the eleventh hour.

Moreover, this realization affects the behavior of other key players: Tory government ministers opposed to their prime minister, the leader of the Labour opposition, Jeremy Corbyn, members of Labour’s front bench who are opposed to Corbyn, and the German and French governments. Every significant political actor in this game has an incentive to sit back and let the clock tick down to the bitter end.

With fewer than three months left, the prospect of Britain falling out of the EU without a deal is, understandably, terrifying. A natural response is to call for an extension of Article 50, to reset the clock and give negotiations more time. That instinct must be resisted.

Any resetting of the clock would simply extend the paralysis, not speed up convergence toward a good agreement. Giving May another three months, or even three years, would do nothing to create incentives to reveal hidden preferences or to drop fictitious red lines."

Now, let's look at the US Government shutdown:

You have two opposing positions, the establishment Democrats and the populist Trump (Note I did not say Republicans because many in his own party are lukewarm supporters). Perhaps the most visible bone of contention is the issue of illegal immigration and Trump's position on the border wall, which was a key Trump campaigning promise as part of his solution to this problem. Pelosi/Schumer are the EU. They've got control of the purse in the House, and feel that they can humble and humiliate the President by denying him any sort of solution to this issue. Their strategy is to insist there really is no problem, and use the media to gin up the public on the hardships being caused by the shutdown to force Trump's hand to re-open the government.

Yes, there is pain involved by many in our country: from airport travelers, to tourists visiting National Parks that are closed down and filled with garbage, to government employees not being paid, etc.

But re-opening the government and expecting the Democrats and Trump to negotiate a compromise is a non-started. Just like the European Union has no incentive to make concessions to Britan leaving the EU, the Democrats have no incentive to concede one inch to Trump. They seek to destroy him, and are betting that pressure to re-open the government from the media, and even those within his own party will force his hand.

Back to Brexit:
"With fewer than three months left, the prospect of Britain falling out of the EU without a deal is, understandably, terrifying. A natural response is to call for an extension of Article 50, to reset the clock and give negotiations more time. That instinct must be resisted.

Any resetting of the clock would simply extend the paralysis, not speed up convergence toward a good agreement. Giving May another three months, or even three years, would do nothing to create incentives to reveal hidden preferences or to drop fictitious red lines.

Indeed, the worst aspect of May’s deal, which Parliament emphatically and wisely rejected, was that it extended the transition process until 2022, with the UK committing to paying around $50 billion, and possibly more, to the EU in exchange for nothing more than unenforceable promises of some future mutually advantageous deal. Had Parliament voted in favor of May’s deal, it would have prolonged the current gridlock to a new cliff edge three years hence."

Bottom line, Trump cannot re-open the government without some resolution on the immigration/border wall. He, and his party must hold together until the pain becomes so great, that the Democrats come to the table and negotiate a solution to the immigration/border situation. If he caves in and re-opens the government without some resolution to this problem, he will loose the support his base, and can expect continued opposition by an energized Democratic opposition on each and every one of his initiatives.

There are many in the liberal community that would be willing to see economic pain, and hardship, and a recession in the American economy if it means a defeat for Trump. That is exactly why America must go thru this excruciating process, and a continued government shutdown.
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Excellent post!!!

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Jan 18, 2019 08:19:18   #
Idaho
 
ACP45 wrote:
Having just read an article entitled "Run Down The Brexit Clock", let's take a look at what each have in common.

First, Brexit:
"Leaving the European Union is painful by design. The process any member state must follow to exit the EU is governed by Article 50 of the bloc’s Lisbon Treaty, which, ironically, was authored by a British diplomat keen to deter exits from the EU. That is why Article 50 sets a two-year negotiation period ending with an ominous deadline: If negotiations have not produced a divorce agreement within the prescribed period – March 29, 2019, in Britain’s case – the member state suddenly finds itself outside the EU, facing disproportionate hardships overnight.

This rule undermines meaningful negotiations. Negotiators focus on the end date and conclude that the other side has no incentive to reveal its hand before then. Whether the allotted negotiation period is two months, two years, or two decades, the result is the same: the stronger side (the European Commission in Brussels in this case) has an incentive to run down the clock and make no significant compromises before the eleventh hour.

Moreover, this realization affects the behavior of other key players: Tory government ministers opposed to their prime minister, the leader of the Labour opposition, Jeremy Corbyn, members of Labour’s front bench who are opposed to Corbyn, and the German and French governments. Every significant political actor in this game has an incentive to sit back and let the clock tick down to the bitter end.

With fewer than three months left, the prospect of Britain falling out of the EU without a deal is, understandably, terrifying. A natural response is to call for an extension of Article 50, to reset the clock and give negotiations more time. That instinct must be resisted.

Any resetting of the clock would simply extend the paralysis, not speed up convergence toward a good agreement. Giving May another three months, or even three years, would do nothing to create incentives to reveal hidden preferences or to drop fictitious red lines."

Now, let's look at the US Government shutdown:

You have two opposing positions, the establishment Democrats and the populist Trump (Note I did not say Republicans because many in his own party are lukewarm supporters). Perhaps the most visible bone of contention is the issue of illegal immigration and Trump's position on the border wall, which was a key Trump campaigning promise as part of his solution to this problem. Pelosi/Schumer are the EU. They've got control of the purse in the House, and feel that they can humble and humiliate the President by denying him any sort of solution to this issue. Their strategy is to insist there really is no problem, and use the media to gin up the public on the hardships being caused by the shutdown to force Trump's hand to re-open the government.

Yes, there is pain involved by many in our country: from airport travelers, to tourists visiting National Parks that are closed down and filled with garbage, to government employees not being paid, etc.

But re-opening the government and expecting the Democrats and Trump to negotiate a compromise is a non-started. Just like the European Union has no incentive to make concessions to Britan leaving the EU, the Democrats have no incentive to concede one inch to Trump. They seek to destroy him, and are betting that pressure to re-open the government from the media, and even those within his own party will force his hand.

Back to Brexit:
"With fewer than three months left, the prospect of Britain falling out of the EU without a deal is, understandably, terrifying. A natural response is to call for an extension of Article 50, to reset the clock and give negotiations more time. That instinct must be resisted.

Any resetting of the clock would simply extend the paralysis, not speed up convergence toward a good agreement. Giving May another three months, or even three years, would do nothing to create incentives to reveal hidden preferences or to drop fictitious red lines.

Indeed, the worst aspect of May’s deal, which Parliament emphatically and wisely rejected, was that it extended the transition process until 2022, with the UK committing to paying around $50 billion, and possibly more, to the EU in exchange for nothing more than unenforceable promises of some future mutually advantageous deal. Had Parliament voted in favor of May’s deal, it would have prolonged the current gridlock to a new cliff edge three years hence."

Bottom line, Trump cannot re-open the government without some resolution on the immigration/border wall. He, and his party must hold together until the pain becomes so great, that the Democrats come to the table and negotiate a solution to the immigration/border situation. If he caves in and re-opens the government without some resolution to this problem, he will loose the support his base, and can expect continued opposition by an energized Democratic opposition on each and every one of his initiatives.

There are many in the liberal community that would be willing to see economic pain, and hardship, and a recession in the American economy if it means a defeat for Trump. That is exactly why America must go thru this excruciating process, and a continued government shutdown.
Having just read an article entitled "Run Dow... (show quote)


Actually, in my view, Donald Trump is keeping the Dems stirred up so as to run out the clock. Then he can use the employment procedures to RIF the 800,000, or the part thereof that are worthless.

It must gall a commercial businessman that once hired, a civil servant is in the Government year for life regardless of how worthless they are. A good few of the ones up for RIF will have been naughty enough to have broken gov’t policy, rules or even laws. That segment will likely find it advantageous to go quietly.

Sadly, only 25% of the workforce - and an equal or larger number of contractors - fall in that category. But if 80% of that 25% are RIF’d, that’s a 20% reduction in Government staff costs going forward. That’s HUGE! It will also yield statistics that will justify other staffing reviews. If, say, 50% of those RIF’d broke Gov’t rules or laws, similarly placed ‘deep state’ operatives would be justified in quaking in their boots, and might opt to resign before being reviewed.

Yep. This is Trump’s best yet move to reduce the Deep State.

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