JoyV

It is the illegal border crossers who are infringing on landowners. A wall will provide much needed protection for landowners.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Some of the "farmers" on the border get quite a nice kick back from coyotes--people smugglers and mules--drug runners who pay a healthy price for access to crossings without authorities being alerted. And as a side benefit, their homes and property is not raided by those same individuals returning to Mexico and points south. While other ranchers who do not have a "working" relationship with coyote or mules, like Mike Landry, are routinely targeted. Same area, difference... Mr. Landry calls authorities when he finds uninvited "vacationers" on his land. I am not saying that Mr. Bishop has such an agreement, but if you read his comments in Marfa and Presidio County, Texas 2009, you will find that he is in favor of open borders and he speaks out often, railing against border patrol and the Rangers... I do not know if he enables the "runners" by allowing them easy access to the US... but, as they say, follow the money.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Maybe, but we have lots of ranchers & farmers on the Texas-Mexico border, along with environmentally sensitive land, wildlife...and, strong opinions/feelings on this matter.

https://www.star-telegram.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/bud-kennedy/article142164639.html

https://www.npr.org/2017/02/23/516895052/landowners-likely-to-bring-more-lawsuits-as-trump-moves-on-border-wall

https://law.utexas.edu/humanrights/borderwall/

https://www.texastribune.org/2017/12/14/border-land-grab-government-abused-power-seize-property-fence/

https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2017/03/08/us-mexico-border-wall-texas

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-border-wall-mexico-texas-private-land-use-2017-9

https://www.wsj.com/articles/texas-republicans-oppose-monolithic-border-wall-1487810283

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/texas/2017/05/15/along-texas-mexico-border-trumps-wall-faces-barrier-public-opposition

https://www.statesman.com/news/20170331/two-views-trumps-border-wall-is-bad-for-texas

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/09/17/texas-border-wall-trump/90503360/

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

I don't think any of these address the fact that trespassers are entering our country, these trespassers are trafficking humans and some are mules. Whereas it is true, a fence or wall will change the migration of four legged animals, those animals simply adapt. It happens in nature, a river changes course... an earthquake or even volcanic activity. I doubt that any will go extent due to a fence. However, there is one concern that is not addressed enough... the separation of tribal lands. The US government can not erect a fence in that area because Native Americans have sovereign rights. In such case, a less invasive method of security must be employed with the cooperation of the Nation. I admit I do not have a solution to this part of the problem. However, the others who admit that they are simply holding out for more money.... not much I can say about that.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

True, trespassers, trafficking and mules were not discussed much in those links...but, there is a lot of reading in that post, with ten links involved, and I only quickly scanned them myself. But, we can agree on not having absolute solutions for the problems involved in illegal immigration or the building of a border wall. As Mark Twain was attributed to saying..."I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Morning lovely LindaJoy...

I most certainly am a beer drinker..

I drink Harbin and Qingdao regularly... Yanjing is horrible... Corona is fine in the summer... Heineken and skol are acceptable at a party...Don't care for Budweiser...

Guiness has it's moments... And Samuel Adam's is quite delicious...

Would love to share a beer with you... Haven't had most of the ones you stated you prefer in another reply... So many microbrews these days...

I grew up drinking Kokanee and Molson... And still contend they made the best commercials
...

Enjoy your snow

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Good beer is a matter of opinion and preference... 'Beer snob' is possibly the most insulting of oxymorons... Must you make such a wonderful post so divisive?

(and yes, I donated 100 dollars to the wall... I don't regret it and hope that the funds are used appropriately... Worst case scenario - I'm out my beer money for the month )

JoyV

There are a lot of articles mirroring each other saying Texans don't want a wall. But I've yet to see any numbers. The CBS Dallas / Fort Worth news has charted several polls of Texans. They say otherwise.
https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2018/02/28/poll-texans-support-trump-wall-daca/

JoyV

I haven't read all of these. But though the ones I read say Texas opposes the wall, nowhere do I see any statistics of how many or which Texans oppose the wall.

JoyV

There is one issue no one has yet addressed. Often when the Sinaloa Cartel wants to bring a big shipment over the border, they set a big fire, such as the Monument fire, to draw resources away from the stretch of border they plan to cross. Such fires destroy habitat, wildlife, homes, infrastructure, and even lives.

For example, the Monument fire was purposely set by illegals. The presence of accelerants is proof it was neither natural nor accidental. It burned 38,000 acres and destroyed or damaged dozens of structures in the Huachucas, in Hereford, and on the fringes of Sierra Vista. There were 10,000 evacuated in outskirt areas of Sierra Vista, and virtually all of Hereford was evacuated. It took nearly 2 weeks to put out. And it could have been far worse if not for the heroic efforts of the Granite Mountain Hot Spot crew.

I saw loads of wildlife heading past my home to the river. The largest I saw was a jaguar. For the 1st couple of days I saturated the grounds and wet down the roof. By that time burning flakes were falling on my truck and the hot air was getting very difficult to breath. As I headed down our half mile long dirt road, I was getting lightheaded. When I reached the road I joined a long string of vehicles heading for the nearby town of Bisbee. Then a mandatory evacuation was ordered. I found that I was on the wrong side of the fire for shelters, but contacted a friend who put me and my dogs up. Luckily my home was not damaged and only the wooden gate posts were charred. But the next two years had really bad flooding.

At the same time as the fire was being fought, a drug caravan was spotted but not enough agents or other law enforcement were available to stop them. From the sighting, it was estimated that $millions in drugs were brought in.

Illegal immigrants started nearly 40 percent of human-ignited wildfires along the border between Arizona and Mexico between 2006 and 2010, according to a government report by the Government Accountability Office (GAO).

That number may even be understated — the report said federal land agencies often violate their own policies by not trying to investigate the origins of human-caused fires. Of the 422 human-caused fires, just 77 were investigated, and of those 30 were found to have been ignited by people illegally crossing the border.

Illegal immigration also makes battling the fires harder as firefighters worry more about their own safety and have to curb some tactics such as backfires for fear of harming illegal immigrants who may still be in the area

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Not an engineer... But could sections of the wall not be designed to also assist with fire management and flood control?

Idaho

We are all well aware that many conservative social media pages sites were taken down by the liberal run social media companies.

Some of the shadow cast on this initiative sounds like a variation on the Dems playbook element “the Wrap-up Smear”.

You only have to think back on the Kavenaugh hearings to understand the Dems and the media will play dirty about anything that doesn’t fit their view of the world.

Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, CO

Not only the landowners in the effected areas, but the country as a whole. President Trump is correct this is a 'National Emergency'. We are being invaded by uneducated illegal aliens from the south who will contribute nothing to our society with the possible exception of changing tires or cutting grass. Rarely (if ever) does one hear of a Mexican doctor, lawyer, dentist, veterinarian, scientist or a Hispanic college graduate, (Mexico does have Universities) coming across the border illegally. Nope, they are the illiterate ones who will be a drain on our generous welfare system due to their lack of skills and education. Good grief, we have enough taco stands, Mexican tire shops, Pedro's Landscaping and McDonald's/Taco Bell fast food workers.

Then we have the latest canard floated by leftists that the wall would not deter illegals from coming across the border at all and is cost ineffective, but would support electronic measures such as drones, cameras, trip wires, yada, yada,yada, but fail to attach a cost factor with that. They ain't cheap folks and it's hindsight enforcement at best because it doesn't prevent illegal entry and once on US soil the illegal Mexicans can claim asylum. (which is what the democrats want because they need the votes) Then just how many support personnel (um, that would be boots on the ground, aka Border Patrol for you slow thinkers) would be requires 24/7/365 responding to breeches detected by said 'electronic measures'? My guess would be several thousand, and the annual cost would be astronomical.

Make no mistake about it, this issue isn't about border security, but Trump hating socialist democrats afflicted with TDS stopping Trump on all of his initiatives.

kemmer

A further article about this fiasco noted that an ulterior motive for the GoFundMe thing was to harvest emails of potential Trump donors.