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Federal Prosecutors Concluded that Donald Trump Directed a Criminal Conspiracy With Michael Cohen.
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Dec 10, 2018 05:46:16   #
PeterS
 
proud republican wrote:
And how do we know that President Trump didnt use his money to pay off these two women????


Snip>>>The secret payment to the porn actress to keep an alleged affair quiet was already a potential legal problem for Trump because it may have violated campaign finance laws. If Trump knew about the payment, and if it was designed to help the campaign and it wasn’t properly disclosed, then it’s illegal.

The payment for Daniels came from Cohen and the payment for McDougal came from National Enquirer. Any item received that is a benefit of the campaign is a campaign contribution and has to be declared as such. That Trump decided to lie about these payments and hide them instead of declaring them is what has him in hot water. This is just the start of Muellers case--I'm sure there is much more he hasn't had to disclose yet.

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Dec 10, 2018 15:19:40   #
Sicilianthing
 
PeterS wrote:
Well, it certainly has nothing to do with love. You are defying the very principles this country was founded under all because of your hatred of people who aren't like you. 1) that's not very Christian and 2) that's not very American.


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I understand your points but it depends on which camp you’re in and your philosophy about preservations and restoring our Sovereignty.



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Dec 10, 2018 15:54:50   #
Justsss Loc: Wisconsin
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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I understand your points but it depends on which camp you’re in and your philosophy about preservations and restoring our Sovereignty.


Great posting Sici !

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Dec 10, 2018 15:57:35   #
PeterS
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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I understand your points but it depends on which camp you’re in and your philosophy about preservations and restoring our Sovereignty.

Restoring our Sovereignty to when? Do you have a period or decade in mind?

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Dec 10, 2018 16:30:11   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
PeterS wrote:
Snip>>>The secret payment to the porn actress to keep an alleged affair quiet was already a potential legal problem for Trump because it may have violated campaign finance laws. If Trump knew about the payment, and if it was designed to help the campaign and it wasn’t properly disclosed, then it’s illegal.

The payment for Daniels came from Cohen and the payment for McDougal came from National Enquirer. Any item received that is a benefit of the campaign is a campaign contribution and has to be declared as such. That Trump decided to lie about these payments and hide them instead of declaring them is what has him in hot water. This is just the start of Muellers case--I'm sure there is much more he hasn't had to disclose yet.
b Snip>>>The secret payment to the porn ... (show quote)
This is a blatant lie. Daniels signed an NDA, she was paid with private funds, she violated the agreement, and after filing two lawsuits for defamation of character, the judge tossed it and ordered her to pay Trump's legal fees. In neither case--Daniels or McDougall--was payment to them a violation of campaign finance laws. How in the hell, I must ask, is it a violation of campaign finance law when a gossip rag like the National Enquirer pays a bimbo for her story?

A candidate paying a fee for a non-disclosure agreement is no more a violation of campaign finance law than if a candidate buys a new suit and gets a hair cut to improve his public image. The candidate does not have to reveal what he paid for the suit and the hair cut and he does not have to tell anyone where he got them.

FYI: Congress critters have created a slush fund with taxpayer money for the sole purpose of paying off those with whom a member of congress had an illicit affair.

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Dec 10, 2018 16:32:47   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
PeterS wrote:
Restoring our Sovereignty to when? Do you have a period or decade in mind?
Prior to April, 1913 AD.

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Dec 10, 2018 17:13:56   #
PeterS
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
This is a blatant lie. Daniels signed an NDA, she was paid with private funds, she violated the agreement, and after filing two lawsuits for defamation of character, the judge tossed it and ordered her to pay Trump's legal fees. In neither case--Daniels or McDougall--was payment to them a violation of campaign finance laws. How in the hell, I must ask, is it a violation of campaign finance law when a gossip rag like the National Enquirer pays a bimbo for her story?

A candidate paying a fee for a non-disclosure agreement is no more a violation of campaign finance law than if a candidate buys a new suit and gets a hair cut to improve his public image. The candidate does not have to reveal what he paid for the suit and the hair cut and he does not have to tell anyone where he got them.

FYI: Congress critters have created a slush fund with taxpayer money for the sole purpose of paying off those with whom a member of congress had an illicit affair.
This is a blatant lie. Daniels signed an NDA, she ... (show quote)

What does the NDA have to do with anything? The question at hand is whether Trump is on the hook for two felony counts for campaign finance violations. I think there is no question that the Trump campaign received something of value by having Daniels and McDougall keep their mouths shut which is all that is necessary for campaign finance laws to be violated.

As for why it's a campaign finance violation--Federal law, requires that payments for the purpose of influencing elections must be disclosed. Federal prosecutors in New York said that Cohen, in paying Playboy model Karen McDougal and adult film actress Stormy Daniels for their silence, “acted with the intent to influence the 2016 presidential election,” and at Trump’s direction.

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Dec 10, 2018 17:16:03   #
PeterS
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Prior to April, 1913 AD.

Oh, that ship has long ago sailed.

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Dec 10, 2018 18:13:31   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
PeterS wrote:
What does the NDA have to do with anything? The question at hand is whether Trump is on the hook for two felony counts for campaign finance violations. I think there is no question that the Trump campaign received something of value by having Daniels and McDougall keep their mouths shut which is all that is necessary for campaign finance laws to be violated.

As for why it's a campaign finance violation--Federal law, requires that payments for the purpose of influencing elections must be disclosed. Federal prosecutors in New York said that Cohen, in paying Playboy model Karen McDougal and adult film actress Stormy Daniels for their silence, “acted with the intent to influence the 2016 presidential election,” and at Trump’s direction.
What does the NDA have to do with anything? The qu... (show quote)


MSNBC and CNN have been paying their "journalists" to hammer Trump with negative stories, obviously to effect the election and future elections. I guess their salaries are also campaign donations!

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Dec 10, 2018 19:09:54   #
Justsss Loc: Wisconsin
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
MSNBC and CNN have been paying their "journalists" to hammer Trump with negative stories, obviously to effect the election and future elections. I guess their salaries are also campaign donations!



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Dec 10, 2018 19:29:24   #
Sicilianthing
 
Justsss wrote:
Great posting Sici !


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Thank You I’m just trying to show him the Logical most obvious Common sense conclusions, but he doesn’t want to acknowledge it’s factually True.

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Dec 10, 2018 20:25:02   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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Thank You I’m just trying to show him the Logical most obvious Common sense conclusions, but he doesn’t want to acknowledge it’s factually True.


You have mellowed Sicilian!

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Dec 10, 2018 20:57:40   #
Sicilianthing
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
You have mellowed Sicilian!


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Well I think we’re doomed !

seriously it will take an extraordinary event 100 times worse than 9/11 for people to wake up so be it.

Now we spiral toward civil war as the Battle for America begins 2019.

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Dec 10, 2018 21:26:13   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
PeterS wrote:
What does the NDA have to do with anything? The question at hand is whether Trump is on the hook for two felony counts for campaign finance violations. I think there is no question that the Trump campaign received something of value by having Daniels and McDougall keep their mouths shut which is all that is necessary for campaign finance laws to be violated.

As for why it's a campaign finance violation--Federal law, requires that payments for the purpose of influencing elections must be disclosed. Federal prosecutors in New York said that Cohen, in paying Playboy model Karen McDougal and adult film actress Stormy Daniels for their silence, “acted with the intent to influence the 2016 presidential election,” and at Trump’s direction.
What does the NDA have to do with anything? The qu... (show quote)
The pay offs might have been a violation of campaign finance law IF the money had come from official campaign finance funds. Cohen paid Daniels out of his law firm's account and National Enquirer paid McDougall for her story.

Last Friday, James Comey was interviewed by two House committees. He confessed that the Steele dossier was not verified before the initial FISA application, nor was it verified throughout the renewals. This is a serious violation of the Woods Procedure for obtaining a FISA warrant.

As damning as this confession is, it plays a small role in how thoroughly Comey discredited himself throughout the interviews. He apparently was overcome with a serious case of amnesia regarding his own role in this debacle, and he astounded the federal lawmakers when he didn't seen to know that his own FBI was using No. 4 Justice Department official Bruce Ohr as a conduit to keep collecting intelligence from Christopher Steele after the British intel operative was fired by the bureau for leaking and lying. In fact, Comey didn’t seem to remember knowing that Steele had been terminated.

One interviewer said, "His memory was so bad I feared he might not remember how to get out of the room after the interview." Another remarked, "It was like he suddenly developed dementia or Alzheimer’s, after conveniently remembering enough facts to sell his book." MORE HERE

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The fact that Comey is a political activist who failed in his duties as FBI Director and brought dishonor on the agency is merely one piece of the big picture.

After 2 years and 30 million of taxpayer money spent, what has Mueller's investigation done? It is utterly striking that after so many indictments, charges of crimes, prosecutions, ruining men's lives, bankrupting them, all ostensibly for the purpose of proving Trump/Russian collusion and how it influenced a presidential election, it has come to rest on allegations of campaign finance violations based on the stories of a porn actress and a Playboy bunny who claim they had affairs with Donald Trump 10 years ago.

Isn't it amazing that politicians and DC swamp dwellers have illicit affairs day in and day out. Isn't it interesting that 14 US presidents committed adultery and other sexual indiscretions, but only two--Eisenhower and Trump--were not in office at the time.

What should do about the slush fund congress critters created with our money for the specific purpose of paying hush money to those with whom they had affairs?

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Dec 10, 2018 21:27:34   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
PeterS wrote:
Oh, that ship has long ago sailed.
Yeah, it did, and now, thanks to liberal progressivism, we are in one hell of a mess.

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