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Dec 10, 2018 10:44:16   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
Rose42 wrote:
They weren't for "freedom from religion". They were for freedom to practice one's chosen religion.

I doubt people would get as worked up if it were a symbol related to Islam or any other religion.


They only get worked up because Christianity has a specific moral code, which is antithetical to their desire to be as debauched as they please. No symbols reminding them of their evil ways can be tolerated.

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Dec 10, 2018 11:46:15   #
kemmer
 
no propaganda please wrote:
The war on Christmas reached new heights with this attack on a town’s nativity scene
December 7, 2018
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Christmas is under attack every year by the radical Left.

They do everything they can to take Christ out of Christmas.

But now the war on Christmas has reached new heights with this attack on the Ten Commandments and a town’s nativity scene.

In Dover, Ohio, city officials say they were forced to remove a statue of the Ten Commandments and a nativity scene from the city property after receiving threats from the atheist group Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF).

FFRF has said the removal of the religious scene was in “defense of the First Amendment.”

Fox 8 Cleveland News writes:

DOVER, Ohio — Season’s greetings in Dover will look different this year after the mayor says the city was threatened with a lawsuit if they refused to move a statue of the Ten Commandments and a nativity display off city property.

“We have freedom of religion and they’re saying that we’re endorsing one religion,” said Dover Mayor Richard Homrighausen.

In a January letter, a Wisconsin based group — the Freedom from Religion Foundation– wrote the Dover mayor, stating an area resident reported about the displays including a large “Latin”cross.

The foundation stated the displays were a conflict, citing the separation between church and state. The mayor says the displays nearby city hall were moved to a nearby church property as a result this holiday season.

“Twenty-seven years been mayor, nothing like this has ever happened,” said the mayor. “Never imagined it would happen.”

The Freedom From Religion Foundation thinks they are “defending” the First Amendment.

But in reality they are attacking the very purpose of it, that anyone can exercise Freedom of religion.

No one can take that away as a constitutionally given right.

Unfortunately, this is not FFRF’s first rodeo with an attack on Christmas.

As we reported, they recently set up a “secular nativity scene” that depicts Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington watching the Bill of Rights in a manger.

In doing so they flat-out disrespect the purpose of Christmas in the birth of Jesus.

But they also show their true colors by demanding that religious displays be removed, and simultaneously demanding that they be allowed to set up their own atheistic displays.

This shows the hypocrisy of the radical left.

They want to completely disregard the Constitution unless they can twist it in their favor.
The war on Christmas reached new heights with this... (show quote)

Oh goodie! The loonies are on their annual "war on Christmas" shtick. That's always good for a laugh.

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Dec 10, 2018 13:11:02   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
teabag09 wrote:
Someone answer a question for me. The Constitution of the United States applies to the Federal Government. Each State has their own Constitution. So how does separation of Church and State (which is not in the Constitution) apply to individual States or individual Cities? State or City property is not Federal property so where does this argument apply? Thanks. Mike


I am pretty sure that it was under the imperious John Marshall that SCOTUS incorporated the prohibitions to the states.

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Dec 10, 2018 13:48:32   #
Bcon
 
Maybe they should do away with April Fools day. Everyone knows that all fools day is the holiday for atheists.

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Dec 10, 2018 16:32:42   #
hotsh386
 
Hey Kevin,are you still having sex with your Mother every night??

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Dec 10, 2018 17:53:54   #
Rose42
 
pafret wrote:
They only get worked up because Christianity has a specific moral code, which is antithetical to their desire to be as debauched as they please. No symbols reminding them of their evil ways can be tolerated.


I once had a very interesting conversation with an atheist about where morals came from. How do atheists and agnostics explain that one?

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Dec 10, 2018 18:43:44   #
Lonewolf
 
the same thing every year starts with the color of Starbucks cups and downhill after that!

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Dec 10, 2018 18:49:36   #
Seth
 
Lonewolf wrote:
The old testament is one of the holy books of islam


That was one of the dumbest things I've ever heard anyone use as an argument in a debate about religion.

The OT is also the basis of Judeo-Christianity, Mohammed was a Johnny-come-lately by a few hundred years.

-- "Your head, it is of bone!"

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Dec 10, 2018 18:51:37   #
teabag09
 
Thank you. Mike
crazylibertarian wrote:
I am pretty sure that it was under the imperious John Marshall that SCOTUS incorporated the prohibitions to the states.

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Dec 10, 2018 19:09:37   #
Nickolai
 
no propaganda please wrote:
The war on Christmas reached new heights with this attack on a town’s nativity scene
December 7, 2018
18

Christmas is under attack every year by the radical Left.

They do everything they can to take Christ out of Christmas.

But now the war on Christmas has reached new heights with this attack on the Ten Commandments and a town’s nativity scene.

In Dover, Ohio, city officials say they were forced to remove a statue of the Ten Commandments and a nativity scene from the city property after receiving threats from the atheist group Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF).

FFRF has said the removal of the religious scene was in “defense of the First Amendment.”

Fox 8 Cleveland News writes:

DOVER, Ohio — Season’s greetings in Dover will look different this year after the mayor says the city was threatened with a lawsuit if they refused to move a statue of the Ten Commandments and a nativity display off city property.

“We have freedom of religion and they’re saying that we’re endorsing one religion,” said Dover Mayor Richard Homrighausen.

In a January letter, a Wisconsin based group — the Freedom from Religion Foundation– wrote the Dover mayor, stating an area resident reported about the displays including a large “Latin”cross.

The foundation stated the displays were a conflict, citing the separation between church and state. The mayor says the displays nearby city hall were moved to a nearby church property as a result this holiday season.

“Twenty-seven years been mayor, nothing like this has ever happened,” said the mayor. “Never imagined it would happen.”

The Freedom From Religion Foundation thinks they are “defending” the First Amendment.

But in reality they are attacking the very purpose of it, that anyone can exercise Freedom of religion.

No one can take that away as a constitutionally given right.

Unfortunately, this is not FFRF’s first rodeo with an attack on Christmas.

As we reported, they recently set up a “secular nativity scene” that depicts Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington watching the Bill of Rights in a manger.

In doing so they flat-out disrespect the purpose of Christmas in the birth of Jesus.

But they also show their true colors by demanding that religious displays be removed, and simultaneously demanding that they be allowed to set up their own atheistic displays.

This shows the hypocrisy of the radical left.

They want to completely disregard the Constitution unless they can twist it in their favor.
The war on Christmas reached new heights with this... (show quote)






The first amendment grants the people freedom from religion and the SCOTUS as ruled as such. There is no problem with nativity scenes on your front lawn in the yard of your church or any private propriety but we are protected from religious coercion on public property as Government is prohibited from promoting a particular religion

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Dec 10, 2018 19:38:33   #
JoyV
 
no propaganda please wrote:
The war on Christmas reached new heights with this attack on a town’s nativity scene
December 7, 2018
18

Christmas is under attack every year by the radical Left.

They do everything they can to take Christ out of Christmas.

But now the war on Christmas has reached new heights with this attack on the Ten Commandments and a town’s nativity scene.

In Dover, Ohio, city officials say they were forced to remove a statue of the Ten Commandments and a nativity scene from the city property after receiving threats from the atheist group Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF).

FFRF has said the removal of the religious scene was in “defense of the First Amendment.”

Fox 8 Cleveland News writes:

DOVER, Ohio — Season’s greetings in Dover will look different this year after the mayor says the city was threatened with a lawsuit if they refused to move a statue of the Ten Commandments and a nativity display off city property.

“We have freedom of religion and they’re saying that we’re endorsing one religion,” said Dover Mayor Richard Homrighausen.

In a January letter, a Wisconsin based group — the Freedom from Religion Foundation– wrote the Dover mayor, stating an area resident reported about the displays including a large “Latin”cross.

The foundation stated the displays were a conflict, citing the separation between church and state. The mayor says the displays nearby city hall were moved to a nearby church property as a result this holiday season.

“Twenty-seven years been mayor, nothing like this has ever happened,” said the mayor. “Never imagined it would happen.”

The Freedom From Religion Foundation thinks they are “defending” the First Amendment.

But in reality they are attacking the very purpose of it, that anyone can exercise Freedom of religion.

No one can take that away as a constitutionally given right.

Unfortunately, this is not FFRF’s first rodeo with an attack on Christmas.

As we reported, they recently set up a “secular nativity scene” that depicts Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington watching the Bill of Rights in a manger.

In doing so they flat-out disrespect the purpose of Christmas in the birth of Jesus.

But they also show their true colors by demanding that religious displays be removed, and simultaneously demanding that they be allowed to set up their own atheistic displays.

This shows the hypocrisy of the radical left.

They want to completely disregard the Constitution unless they can twist it in their favor.
The war on Christmas reached new heights with this... (show quote)


The 1st Amendment does not guarantee freedom from religion. It guarantees freedom OF religion. It prohibits our government from infringing on any American's religious belief or practice UNLESS that practice advocates criminal harm to others such as rape, human sacrifice, or cannibalism; to name a few.

And by the way, the movement has moved well beyond removing Christ from Christmas. It is now about removing Christmas completely including secular expressions. Now it is Rudolf being attacked. A few years ago it was the song "White Christmas". Even "Jingle Bells" is politically incorrect.

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Dec 10, 2018 19:44:39   #
JoyV
 
Nickolai wrote:
The first amendment grants the people freedom from religion and the SCOTUS as ruled as such. There is no problem with nativity scenes on your front lawn in the yard of your church or any private propriety but we are protected from religious coercion on public property as Government is prohibited from promoting a particular religion


No it does NOT grant freedom FROM religion. It does not grant any thing. But it does prohibit our government from infringing on our freedom OF religion. Quietly substituting the word 'from' for the word 'of' changes the meaning enough that it gave them a toehold for attacking religion. That toehold is now a chasm.

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Dec 10, 2018 19:45:38   #
Lonewolf
 
They still use the book

Seth wrote:
That was one of the dumbest things I've ever heard anyone use as an argument in a debate about religion.

The OT is also the basis of Judeo-Christianity, Mohammed was a Johnny-come-lately by a few hundred years.

-- "Your head, it is of bone!"

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Dec 10, 2018 19:54:27   #
Seth
 
Lonewolf wrote:
They still use the book


The Qoranic scripture used to justify everything from prayer to Islamic life, finances, family, social and other laws as well as jihad all begins with Mohammed, not with the OT.

-- "Brush up!"

-- "I tell you, his head is of bone!"

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Dec 10, 2018 20:43:52   #
Lonewolf
 
They beleve Christ was a great profit



Seth wrote:
The Qoranic scripture used to justify everything from prayer to Islamic life, finances, family, social and other laws as well as jihad all begins with Mohammed, not with the OT.

-- "Brush up!"

-- "I tell you, his head is of bone!"

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