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Dec 8, 2018 15:34:11   #
bahmer
 
TexaCan wrote:
😂 LOL! That poor Marine would be like me trying to fit these xtra 20lb. into those wranglers that I buttoned by laying on the bed! Unlike Radiance, I’ve worked hard for all these ‘fluffys and wrinkles’!!! That’s what happens when one has no servants and maids and treated like a queen! I wonder what the going rate she has to pay to be ‘treated like a queen?’ The things that they both say are absolutely priceless! It gets more outrageous every day! I don’t know whether to feel sorry for their hate and bitterness or to wear a ring of garlic around my neck to guard against the evil that has surrounded their life in the Catholic Church. Rose says that the Holy Spirit is working on them.... she should know, she’s been there and done it and got the prize! Maybe they will also get the prize someday! Until then, we continue to refute the lies that the Catholic Church has drilled, threatened, blinded and convicted thru a false love and loyalty to them, with scripture taken from His Book, the Bible that He left for all who choose to read and accept His free gift of eternity!

Well, my husband is back with the pecans.... time to make him a pumpkin cake before he breaks out the whip! Wish we could share a piece with you!

Maranatha!
😂 LOL! That poor Marine would be like me trying ... (show quote)


It sounds great I hope you enjoy it. I think that it Was Mary the ark of the new covenant or samething like that where Doc110 went into all kinds of gyrations trying prove Mariology to be biblical.

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Dec 8, 2018 16:09:11   #
Rose42
 
bahmer wrote:
It sounds great I hope you enjoy it. I think that it Was Mary the ark of the new covenant or samething like that where Doc110 went into all kinds of gyrations trying prove Mariology to be biblical.


Gyrations is the perfect word for it. He's manic about it.

It reminds me of Satan trying to tempt Jesus with scripture. That's similar to what Satan does in the Catholic church - misuse scripture to try and prove falsehoods but he leaves in just enough truth to keep them in it.

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Dec 8, 2018 17:25:15   #
Radiance3
 
Rose42 wrote:
Gyrations is the perfect word for it. He's manic about it.

It reminds me of Satan trying to tempt Jesus with scripture. That's similar to what Satan does in the Catholic church - misuse scripture to try and prove falsehoods but he leaves in just enough truth to keep them in it.

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No matter how you try to destroy the Catholic Church, the Church of Christ, you still remain outcast, lawless, and not members of God's children. You have been destroying Saint Peter, replacing with Luther, Calvin, and Zwingli, creator of your man-made "Sola Scriptura", you have been destroying the Catholic Church of Christ, you have been destroying everything and everybody that connects to it, still you will remain ALL OUTCASTS. You have no COVENANT WITH CHRIST.

John 6:53-59 New International Version (NIV)
53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” 59 He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.

Mark 14:22-25 New International Version (NIV)
22 While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take it; this is my body.”


23 Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, and they all drank from it.

24 “This is my blood of the[a] covenant, which is poured out for many,” he said to them. 25 “Truly I tell you, I will not drink again from the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.”

1 Corinthian 11:23-25

1 Corinthians 11:23-27 New International Version (NIV)
23 For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying,“This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26 For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.


27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord.

All the blasphemous language of the Protestants against the (Holy Eucharist) bread and wine as the Covenant of God, make them all SINFUL and OUTCASTS from the family of God.

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Dec 8, 2018 17:39:41   #
Doc110 Loc: York PA
 
Zemirah,

Love your deflection and continued ignorance

Happy reading, or ignorance on your behalf . . .

I know you will never take the time to read any of the 25 article posts.



Was the Third Secret Revealed?

I. Was the Third Secret Revealed? - Part 1
Confirming the deciphered Third Secret published on the TIA website
https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g45_Secret_1.htm


II. A ‘Bishop Dressed in White’- Part 2
Strong evidence that the Vatican-released ‘Secret’ was bogus
https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g46_Secret_2.htm


III. Like the Mission of Elias the Prophet - Part 3
Our Lady of Fatima warns of dire consequences to ignoring her message
https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g47_Secret_3.htm


IV. Fatima & Similar Warnings - Part 4
A series of Popes disregard warnings of an apostasy inside the Church
https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g48_Secret_4.htm



‘Third Secret’ of Fatima Released in April 2010


The Text
From Portugal, the supposed manuscript of Sister Lucy
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B352_Secret.html

More Data Shed Light on the ‘Third Secret’
The cornerstone of St. Peter's grave was sent to Fatima
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B354_Data3sec.html

Three Different Third Secrets
Readers offer other possible documents
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B355_3ThirdSec.html

‘Third Secret’: Opinions & Questions
Discussion about the probable source of this document
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B357_OnSecret.html

Objections & Answers on the ‘Third Secret’
‘Evil eyes’ can symbolize a heterodox notion of the papacy
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B359_Obj-Secret.html

What Does the ‘Ugly Church’ Mean?
It could well represent the Conciliar Reform
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B362_UglyChurch.html

A Pope with Devilish Eyes
Is Benedict XVI the Pope described in the message?
https://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A363rcDevilEyesi.html

The Churches of Hell
Pictures of some churches that correspond to the revelation
https://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A364rcChurchHell.html

Advocating the Authenticity of the ‘Third Secret’
Five reasons that speak in favor of the released text
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B367_Advocating.html

It is Fake! It Is Authentic!
Objections answered; support received
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B372_FakeSecret.html

Eight Objections to the ‘Third Secret’
The editor responds to ‘juridical’ doubts of a reader
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B379_8Objections.htm

Forensics vs. Photoshop
Concerns and hopes regarding the supposed Third Secret
https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g22htForensic.html

Mystic Fr. Malachi Martin on the Third Secret - I
Harmony between a description of Fr. Martin and the released document
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B386_Malachi.html

Mystic Fr. Malachi on the Third Secret - II
Comparing the words of M.M. with those of the April ‘Secret’
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B391_Malachi02.html

The Alleged Third Secret
A reader from Portugal: It is basically authentic, but with falsified parts
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B397_Photoshop.html

Discussion Continues on the ‘Third Secret’
Miscellaneous commentaries by readers
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B405_3secret.html

The Secret Best Kept of Fatima
Spanish writer bases a book on TIA's Third Secret
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B955_Secret.html

Our ‘Third Secret’ Was Written by Sr. Lucy, Handwriting Expert Affirms
Strong new evidence re-opens the questioi
https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g32ht_Analyst.htm

Expert Speaks on the Third Secret
The text is definitively the handwriting of Sister Lucy
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B965_Begona.htm

Trying to Decipher a Scrambled Message
A text of the Third Secret that removes the inconsistencies
https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g33ht_Decipher.htm

Finally, the Truth!
A text in Sister Lucy's handwriting that no one wants to consider...
https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g34hht_truth.htm



"To be deep in history, is to cease to be Protestant."
Venerable, Cardinal Henry Newman, former Episcopal Bishop convert

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Dec 9, 2018 07:03:24   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Doc,

What of these Apparitions? - of Mary, or of Catholicism's designated "saints?" - these ghost like figures, religious or otherwise, who appear briefly and then disappear?

The most popular concept is that of a ghost, that these are the spirits of the dead, a dead relative or acquaintance, come back to visit, or to warn us of danger, or even a messenger with a word from God.

This raises a basic question, how do they square with the biblical perspective, God's written Word?

They don't. They are a demonic illusion, for the Bible tells us the dead are either in heaven or in hell. When the rich man died, it is written, “In hell he lift up his eyes, being in torment.” The beggar was taken to paradise, and Jesus said to the thief on the cross, after he had professed belief in Jesus, “This day will you be with me in paradise” (the soul and the spirit of the thief).

What Jesus didn’t say was, “You’re going to be out there somewhere, fluttering about, and being My messenger.”

Satan is trying to trick you into believing that you do not really die, but that you will continue on the "spirit plane" – and that you will not face judgement. These are not the spirits of the dead, however; for the dead are not fluttering about on the astral plane communicating with the living.

In 1 Thessalonians 4, Paul said, “Those who sleep in Jesus (those who have died believing in Him) will God bring with him.” They’re in heaven, soul and spirit, and on the day of the Rapture, He will bring their souls and spirits, all those who died in Christ, with Him to be reunited with their resurrected bodies.

In 2 Corinthians 5, Paul said, “to be absent from the body, is to be present with the Lord.” There is absolutely nothing in the Bible that would indicate the spirits of the dead are out and about, appearing and communicating with the living.

Furthermore, Deuteronomy 18 and other scriptures warn us not to become involved in necromancy, which is the attempt to communicate with the dead.

Why would God give us such a warning? Because these are not the dead attempting to communicate with us.

Angelic apparitions, then, are a form taken by demons from Satan, assigned to impersonate those whom they appear to be, whether Mary or Aunt Matilda, in order to trick the living, whose souls Satan covets.




Doc110 wrote:
Zemirah,

Love your deflection and continued ignorance

Happy reading, or ignorance on your behalf . . .

I know you will never take the time to read any of the 25 article posts.



Was the Third Secret Revealed?

I. Was the Third Secret Revealed? - Part 1
Confirming the deciphered Third Secret published on the TIA website
https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g45_Secret_1.htm


II. A ‘Bishop Dressed in White’- Part 2
Strong evidence that the Vatican-released ‘Secret’ was bogus
https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g46_Secret_2.htm


III. Like the Mission of Elias the Prophet - Part 3
Our Lady of Fatima warns of dire consequences to ignoring her message
https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g47_Secret_3.htm


IV. Fatima & Similar Warnings - Part 4
A series of Popes disregard warnings of an apostasy inside the Church
https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g48_Secret_4.htm



‘Third Secret’ of Fatima Released in April 2010


The Text
From Portugal, the supposed manuscript of Sister Lucy
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B352_Secret.html

More Data Shed Light on the ‘Third Secret’
The cornerstone of St. Peter's grave was sent to Fatima
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B354_Data3sec.html

Three Different Third Secrets
Readers offer other possible documents
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B355_3ThirdSec.html

‘Third Secret’: Opinions & Questions
Discussion about the probable source of this document
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B357_OnSecret.html

Objections & Answers on the ‘Third Secret’
‘Evil eyes’ can symbolize a heterodox notion of the papacy
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B359_Obj-Secret.html

What Does the ‘Ugly Church’ Mean?
It could well represent the Conciliar Reform
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B362_UglyChurch.html

A Pope with Devilish Eyes
Is Benedict XVI the Pope described in the message?
https://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A363rcDevilEyesi.html

The Churches of Hell
Pictures of some churches that correspond to the revelation
https://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A364rcChurchHell.html

Advocating the Authenticity of the ‘Third Secret’
Five reasons that speak in favor of the released text
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B367_Advocating.html

It is Fake! It Is Authentic!
Objections answered; support received
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B372_FakeSecret.html

Eight Objections to the ‘Third Secret’
The editor responds to ‘juridical’ doubts of a reader
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B379_8Objections.htm

Forensics vs. Photoshop
Concerns and hopes regarding the supposed Third Secret
https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g22htForensic.html

Mystic Fr. Malachi Martin on the Third Secret - I
Harmony between a description of Fr. Martin and the released document
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B386_Malachi.html

Mystic Fr. Malachi on the Third Secret - II
Comparing the words of M.M. with those of the April ‘Secret’
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B391_Malachi02.html

The Alleged Third Secret
A reader from Portugal: It is basically authentic, but with falsified parts
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B397_Photoshop.html

Discussion Continues on the ‘Third Secret’
Miscellaneous commentaries by readers
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B405_3secret.html

The Secret Best Kept of Fatima
Spanish writer bases a book on TIA's Third Secret
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B955_Secret.html

Our ‘Third Secret’ Was Written by Sr. Lucy, Handwriting Expert Affirms
Strong new evidence re-opens the questioi
https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g32ht_Analyst.htm

Expert Speaks on the Third Secret
The text is definitively the handwriting of Sister Lucy
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B965_Begona.htm

Trying to Decipher a Scrambled Message
A text of the Third Secret that removes the inconsistencies
https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g33ht_Decipher.htm

Finally, the Truth!
A text in Sister Lucy's handwriting that no one wants to consider...
https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g34hht_truth.htm



"To be deep in history, is to cease to be Protestant."
Venerable, Cardinal Henry Newman, former Episcopal Bishop convert
Zemirah, br br Love your deflection and continued... (show quote)

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Dec 9, 2018 09:58:24   #
bahmer
 
Zemirah wrote:
Doc,

What of these Apparitions? - of Mary, or of Catholicism's designated "saints?" - these ghost like figures, religious or otherwise, who appear briefly and then disappear?

The most popular concept is that of a ghost, that these are the spirits of the dead, a dead relative or acquaintance, come back to visit, or to warn us of danger, or even a messenger with a word from God.

This raises a basic question, how do they square with the biblical perspective, God's written Word?

They don't. They are a demonic illusion, for the Bible tells us the dead are either in heaven or in hell. When the rich man died, it is written, “In hell he lift up his eyes, being in torment.” The beggar was taken to paradise, and Jesus said to the thief on the cross, after he had professed belief in Jesus, “This day will you be with me in paradise” (the soul and the spirit of the thief).

What Jesus didn’t say was, “You’re going to be out there somewhere, fluttering about, and being My messenger.”

Satan is trying to trick you into believing that you do not really die, but that you will continue on the "spirit plane" – and that you will not face judgement. These are not the spirits of the dead, however; for the dead are not fluttering about on the astral plane communicating with the living.

In 1 Thessalonians 4, Paul said, “Those who sleep in Jesus (those who have died believing in Him) will God bring with him.” They’re in heaven, soul and spirit, and on the day of the Rapture, He will bring their souls and spirits, all those who died in Christ, with Him to be reunited with their resurrected bodies.

In 2 Corinthians 5, Paul said, “to be absent from the body, is to be present with the Lord.” There is absolutely nothing in the Bible that would indicate the spirits of the dead are out and about, appearing and communicating with the living.

Furthermore, Deuteronomy 18 and other scriptures warn us not to become involved in necromancy, which is the attempt to communicate with the dead.

Why would God give us such a warning? Because these are not the dead attempting to communicate with us.

Angelic apparitions, then, are a form taken by demons from Satan, assigned to impersonate those whom they appear to be, whether Mary or Aunt Matilda, in order to trick the living, whose souls Satan covets.
Doc, br br What of these Apparitions? - of Mary, ... (show quote)


Amen and Amen that is the way that I understand it as well Zemirah and that goes for the flying saucers as well and other strange things in the atmosphere that we cannot explain or understand. Satan knows his time is short and if he can lure more people away the better it is for him and his crowd.

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Dec 9, 2018 18:17:25   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Yes, Bahmer, and he is having remarkable success.

The Harry Potter books have put satanic ritual and witchcraft at the fingerprints of most of America's youth, as they've been added to almost every public elementary and high school's library.

Even Christian schools carry them, recognizing them only as fiction, through their lack of spiritual discernment.

By the same token, the Bible has been made an outcast by most schools... separation of church and state, don't you know!



bahmer wrote:
Amen and Amen that is the way that I understand it as well Zemirah and that goes for the flying saucers as well and other strange things in the atmosphere that we cannot explain or understand. Satan knows his time is short and if he can lure more people away the better it is for him and his crowd.

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Dec 10, 2018 20:14:22   #
karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!
 
Zemirah wrote:
Yes, Bahmer, and he is having remarkable success.

The Harry Potter books have put satanic ritual and witchcraft at the fingerprints of most of America's youth, as they've been added to almost every public elementary and high school's library.

Even Christian schools carry them, recognizing them only as fiction, through their lack of spiritual discernment.

By the same token, the Bible has been made an outcast by most schools... separation of church and state, don't you know!
I Was Just Watching
American Horror Story: Apocalypse

It Becomes Apparent It's About The Anti-Christ
666 & All
Guess What's Going To Defeat Him ??

Witches And Warlocks....

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Dec 10, 2018 22:40:27   #
karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!
 
bahmer wrote:
It sounds great I hope you enjoy it. I think that it Was Mary the ark of the new covenant or samething like that where Doc110 went into all kinds of gyrations trying prove Mariology to be biblical.
Mariology, As It's Called
Could Have Been Established By Jesus Christ Himself
As Mary Was Standing Right There At His Crucifixion
But He Didn't Mandate His Mother Any Special Honors

The Hebrews Had To Ask Permission From God
To Celebrate The Miracle Of The Burning Lamps (Hanukkah)
Because It Wasn't Expressly Mandated By Scripture

Doc101 Cites There Are Feasts And Festivals In Mary's Honor
Are These Mandated Or Condoned By Scripture ??
Celebrations To Feminine Religious Figures Are Expressly Forbidden
As Homage To Pagan Festivals And Rituals Through-Out Scripture

But Hey,
As Long As We Set Up Evergreen Trees
Decorate Them With Gold And Silver, Present It With Gifts
(Expressly Forbidden In Jeremiah)
And Celebrate Easter (Ishtar)
Then We Still Pay Homage To The Papacy And The Church Of Rome
Established And Founded By Constantine In 320 AD, Structured In 380 AD
NOT The Church Established
By Jesus Through Peter, At The Crucifixion

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Dec 10, 2018 23:06:08   #
karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!
 
Wondering:

Never-Mind...

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Dec 10, 2018 23:33:51   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
O.K., Karpenter, Now you've done it...

What have you been wondering?


karpenter wrote:
Wondering:

Never-Mind...

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Dec 11, 2018 01:48:52   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
You're right, Karpenter, Jesus didn't ever accord his mother, Mary, anything approximating worship.

"Mariology," I've always read, was created by Augustine in the 4th century.


The pope, believing himself to be God's representative on earth can order any festival he pleases in honor of anyone he pleases.

No Roman Catholic is allowed to question him.

You're also right about the condemnation of what sounds similar to Christmas trees; the text calls them idols because they were carved into shape with a special chisel by the work of their hands, and because they were worshiped.

"For the customs of the peoples are worthless; they cut down a tree from the forest;it is shaped with a chisel by the hands of a craftsman.
They adorn it with silver and gold and fasten it with hammer and nails, so that it will not totter.
Like scarecrows in a cucumber patch, their idols cannot speak."(Jeremiah 10:3-5)

I don't decorate my home, but I do observe the eight days of Hanukkah, because Jesus did... and the 1st night there are latke (potato) pancakes fried in oil, and eight nights of gift giving.

"John 10:22 After this the Feast of Dedication (of the reconsecration of the temple) was taking place at Jerusalem. It was winter, and Jesus was walking in the temple, in the colonnade of Solomon."


karpenter wrote:
Mariology, As It's Called
Could Have Been Established By Jesus Christ Himself
As Mary Was Standing Right There At His Crucifixion
But He Didn't Mandate His Mother Any Special Honors

The Hebrews Had To Ask Permission From God
To Celebrate The Miracle Of The Burning Lamps (Hanukkah)
Because It Wasn't Expressly Mandated By Scripture

Doc101 Cites There Are Feasts And Festivals In Mary's Honor
Are These Mandated Or Condoned By Scripture ??
Celebrations To Feminine Religious Figures Are Expressly Forbidden
As Homage To Pagan Festivals And Rituals Through-Out Scripture

But Hey,
As Long As We Set Up Evergreen Trees
Decorate Them With Gold And Silver, Present It With Gifts
(Expressly Forbidden In Jeremiah)
And Celebrate Easter (Ishtar)
Then We Still Pay Homage To The Papacy And The Church Of Rome
Established And Founded By Constantine In 320 AD, Structured In 380 AD
NOT The Church Established
By Jesus Through Peter, At The Crucifixion
Mariology, As It's Called br Could Have Been Estab... (show quote)

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Dec 11, 2018 08:50:53   #
Rose42
 
karpenter wrote:
Wondering:

Never-Mind...


Oh come on....

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Dec 11, 2018 14:04:11   #
Doc110 Loc: York PA
 
karpenter,

Caving into peer Protestant pressure ?

Here are 17 Marian articles to read.

I. Marian dogmas:

Ancient beliefs of the Church Understanding what the Faith teaches about Mary enriches our relationship with the Blessed Mother
https://www.osv.com/TheChurch/Article/TabId/563/ArtMID/13751/ArticleID/24726/Marian-dogmas-Ancient-beliefs-of-the-Church.aspx

Articles of faith
A dogma, described by various sources, is a teaching of the Church that has been revealed by God and a teaching to be held by all Catholics.

A dogma is not a new belief, but it clarifies or defines a long-held conviction of the faithful.

It often is referred to as a doctrine or article of faith that we all are expected to believe.

According to the Catechism, “The Church’s magisterium exercises the authority it holds from Christ to the fullest extent when it defines dogmas, that is, when it proposes, in a form obligating the Christian people to an irrevocable adherence of faith, truths contained in divine Revelation or also when it proposes, in a definitive way, truths having a necessary connection with these” (No. 88).

There are four Marian dogmas:

1. That Mary is the Mother of God;

2. Her perpetual virginity;

3. That she was immaculately conceived;

4. And that she was assumed into heaven.


The Apostles Creed,
From the second century, says the son of God “was born of the Virgin Mary,” and the Nicene Creed, fourth century, proclaims that Jesus “came down from heaven and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary.”

The Church Fathers and councils through the years also affirmed her perpetual virginity.

St. Augustine (354-430) said, “A virgin conceives, yet remains a virgin; a virgin is heavy with child; a virgin brings forth her child, yet she is always virgin. Why are you amazed at this, O man? It was fitting for God to be born thus when he deigned to become man” (Sermon 186). Indeed, why should we be amazed that Mary, the one chosen by God as his mother, would be a perpetual virgin? She was God’s ornate fixture on earth, the new Eve, who would deflect all fame to her Son.


The Fifth Ecumenical Council of Constantinople in AD 553 called Mary, “the holy and glorious ever virgin.”

Then, in AD 679, following the local Council of Lateran, Pope Martin (r. 649-55) decreed.

“If anyone does not properly and truly confess in accord with the holy Fathers, that the holy Mother of God and ever Virgin and Immaculate Mary in the earliest of the ages conceived of the Holy Spirit without seed, namely, God the Word Himself specifically and truly, who was born of God the Father before all ages, and that she incorruptibly bore [Him], her virginity remaining indestructible even after His birth, let him be condemned” (Canon 3).

The Church points to these two councils as the source of the dogma regarding Mary as a perpetual virgin.


History of the Immaculate Conception:
Since the eighth century, the Church has celebrated Mary’s conception in the womb of her mother, and since the 12th century, it has been called the Immaculate Conception.

During the middle ages theologians and Church leaders debated as to whether or not Mary was conceived exempt from original sin. People like Albert the Great, St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Bernard of Clairvaux argued that every man and woman experiences original sin and is only redeemed by Jesus’ suffering for us on the cross; thus, Mary couldn’t be redeemed before there was a Redeemer.

It was the theologian and Franciscan Blessed John Duns Scotus (1266-1308) who convincingly explained that Mary was preserved in advance from original sin (preserved redemption), that she was redeemed and saved at her conception.

He explained that if a person falls, they have to be helped up, but God prevented Mary from falling (redeemed in advance). Simply put, Mary was sinless from her conception by the grace of God.

American Devotion
The Immaculate Conception was honored by many of the new world explorers.

When Christopher Columbus (1451-1506) sailed to the new world in 1492, his flagship was named Santa Maria de la Immaculate Conception or Holy Mary of the Immaculate Conception.

The Spanish Conquistador Cortes (1485-1547) founded the first hospital in North America; it was erected in Mexico City in 1524 and originally called the Hospital of the Immaculate Conception.

In 1673, Jesuit Father Jacques Marquette (1637-75), a French explorer in the upper Midwest, discovered the northern portion of the Mississippi River and named it the River of the Immaculate Conception. St. Junipero Serra (1713-84) wrote a novena to Mary’s Immaculate Conception in 1765 while serving as a missionary in California.

In 1864, the bishops of the United States petitioned the Holy See and received permission to use the name Our Lady of the Immaculate Conception as patroness of the United States. This was eight years before the pope used his authority to declare the Immaculate Conception as a dogma of the Church.


II. Papal Bulls

1. Dominici gregis, Universi Dominici Gregis (February 22, 1996) | John Paul II
w2.vatican.va/content/john.../hf_jp-ii_apc_22021996_universi-dominici-gregis.html

Universi Dominici gregis is an apostolic constitution of the Catholic Church issued by Pope John Paul II on 22 February 1996. It superseded Pope Paul VI's 1975 apostolic constitution, Romano Pontifici eligendo, and all previous apostolic constitutions and orders on the subject of the election of the Roman Pontiff.

This papal bull was issued by Pope Clement VIII on February 3, 1603. It considered Marian piety the basis for Church and condemned a number of issues as errors, including the denial of the virginity of Mary.[2]

2. Neffabilis Deus, Latin for "Ineffable God" It defines the dogma of the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
www.papalencyclicals.net/pius09/p9ineff.htm

In this key papal bull (the title of which means "ineffable God" in Latin) Pope Pius IX defined ex cathedra the dogma of the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary. The decree was promulgated on December 8, 1854, the date of the annual Feast of the Immaculate Conception.

The decree surveys the history of the belief in Christian tradition[citation needed], citing its roots in the long-standing feast of the Conception of Mary as a date of significance in the Eastern and Western churches. It also cites the approval of Catholic bishops worldwide who were asked in 1849 to offer their opinion on the matter.

3. Bis Saeculari
w2.vatican.va/...xii/.../hf_p-xii_apc_19480927_bis-saeculari.html

This Apostolic Constitution Sodality of Our Lady was promulgated by Pope Pius XII on September 27, 1948, the two hundredth anniversary of the Papal bull Gloriosae Dominae of Pope Benedict XIV in 1748.
https://w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xii/.../hf_p-xii_enc_11101954_ad-caeli-reginam.pd.

It is important for the fact that Apostolic constitutions are the highest form of Papal teaching, above encyclicals, and below dogmatization ex cathedra.

4. The Sodality of Our Lady dates to 1584.
https://archive.org/stream/.../manualofthesodal00unknuoft_djvu.tx

It consists of associations of persons, sodalists, dedicated to a Christian life, following the model of the Virgin Mary. In Bis Saeculari, Pope Pius XII pointed to the importance of the Sodality of Our Lady within the Church which after four hundred years exist in all countries. They have produced virtuous lives among the faithful priests and saints. They still prepare men to be active in modern society.


5. Munificentissimus Deus
This Apostolic constitution (the title of which means "most bountiful God" in Latin) was issued by Pope Pius XII on November 1, 1950.
w2.vatican.va/content/pius.../hf_p-xii_apc_19501101_munificentissimus-deus.htm

It defines ex cathedra the dogma of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary. It is the second ex-cathedra infallible statement ever made by a Pope, the first since the official ruling on Papal Infallibility was made at the First Vatican Council (1869-1870).


III. Papal encyclicals:

1. Ad diem illum, Pope St. Pius X On the Jubilee of the Immaculate Conception: He outlines the great riches and hidden implications behind the dogma of the Immaculate
Conception.
w2.vatican.va/content/pius.../hf_p-x_enc_02021904_ad-diem-illum-laetissimum.html

This encyclical by Pope Pius X on the Immaculate Conception, was given on February 2, 1904, in the first year of his Pontificate. It was issued in commemoration of the fiftieth anniversary of the dogma of the Immaculate Conception. It is an important document because it explains the Mariology of Pope Pius X.

One of the reasons the pope gave for writing the encyclical was his desire for the restoration of all things in Christ which he had defined as his motto Instaurare omnia in Christo: to restore everything in Christ, to whom there is no safer or more direct road than Mary. To Pope Pius X, Mary unites all humankind in Christ.


2. Deiparae Virginis Mariae
This encyclical by Pope Pius XII issued on May 1, 1946 and was directed to all Catholic bishops on the possibility of defining the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary as a dogma of faith.
w2.vatican.va/content/pius.../hf_p-xii_enc_01051946_deiparae-virginis-mariae.html

The encyclical states, that for a long time past, numerous petitions have been received from cardinals, patriarchs, archbishops, bishops, priests, religious of both sexes, associations, universities and innumerable private persons, all begging that the bodily Assumption into heaven of the Blessed Virgin should be defined and proclaimed as a dogma of faith. This was also fervently requested by almost two hundred fathers in the Vatican Council (1869-1870).


3. Ingruentium malorum
This encyclical of Pope Pius XII focused on the rosary. It was given on the 15 September, the Feast of the Seven Sorrows of the Virgin Mary, in 1951.
w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xii/.../hf_p-xii_enc_15091951_ingruentium-malorum.htm..

The encyclical states that from the beginning of his pontificate, Pope Pius XII entrusted to the Mother of God the destiny of the human family. The Pope argued that the repeating of identical formulas has a great impact on those who pray, giving them confidence in Mary. He strongly supports the idea, that Catholic families should pray the rosary together. He stated that while reciting the Rosary, Catholics should not forget those who languish in prison camps, jails, and concentration camps.


4. Fulgens corona, "Radiant Crown"
w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xii/en/.../hf_p-xii_enc_08091953_fulgens-corona.html

This encyclical by Pope Pius XII was issued on 8 September 1953 on the Feast of the Nativity of the Blessed Virgin Mary. The encyclical proclaimed a Marian year for 1954, to commemorate the centenary of the definition of the dogma of the Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary. Fulgens corona is significant as it contained the Mariological methodology of Pope Pius XII and his views on limits and challenges of Roman Catholic Mariology.

One hundred years before, Pius IX, surrounded by a vast retinue of Cardinals and Bishops, with infallible apostolic authority defined, pronounced and solemnly sanctioned in the dogmatic bull Ineffabilis Deus.


5. Ad Caeli Reginam, "Proclaiming the Queenship Of Mary."
w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xii/en/.../hf_p-xii_enc_11101954_ad-caeli-reginam.html

This encyclical was issued by Pope Pius XII, on the feast of the Maternity of the Blessed Virgin Mary, 11 October 1954. The encyclical is an important element of the Mariology of Pope Pius XIIand established the feast Queenship of Mary.

It states that assumed into heaven, Mary is with Jesus Christ, her divine son. With the encyclical, Pope Pius XII institutes the feast Queenship of Mary. Mary should be called Queen, not only because of her Divine Motherhood of Jesus Christ, her only son, but also because God has willed her to have an exceptional role in the work of our eternal salvation.


6. Redemptoris Mater, "Mother of the Redeemer"
w2.vatican.va/content/john-paul.../hf_jp-ii_enc_25031987_redemptoris-mater.html

Pope John Paul II delivered this encyclical on March 25, 1987. It is subtitled On the Blessed Virgin Mary in the life of the Pilgrim Church.

The encyclical discusses the special place of the Blessed Virgin Mary in the plan of salvation and continues to focus on Mary's role in the Mystery of Christ. In this encyclical Pope John Paul II confirmed the title, Mother of the Church, proclaimed by Pope Paul VI at the Second Vatican Council on November 21, 1964.

The encyclical also refers to Maternal Mediation and the role of the Virgin Mary as a Mediatrix.

IV. Papal Apostolic Letters

1. Gloriosae Dominae, "Queen of heaven and earth,"
http://thecatholicarchive.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/286.pdf

This Apostolic Letter by Pope Pius XII was issued on September 27, 1748.

In this Apostolic Letter Pope Pius XII called the Blessed Virgin Mary "Queen of heaven and earth," stated that the sovereign King has in some way communicated to her his ruling power.

2. Arialis cultus, "Marian Devotion"
w2.vatican.va/content/paul-vi/en/.../hf_p-vi_exh_19740202_marialis-cultus.html

Pope Paul VI issued this Mariological Apostolic Letter on February 2, 1974. The letter is subtitled, For the Right Ordering and Development of Devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary. The document does not focus on specific themes in Mariology, but clarifies the way the Roman Catholic Church celebrates liturgies that commemorate Mary and about Marian devotion. The preparation of the document reportedly took 4 years.[4]

3. Rosarium Virginis Mariae, "Year of the Rosary"
https://w2.vatican.va/...ii/.../hf_jp-ii_apl_20021016_rosarium-virginis-mariae.html

This Apostolic Letter by Pope John Paul II was issued on October 16, 2002. It deals with the Holy Rosary and views it as compendium of the Gospel message:

The Rosary, though clearly Marian in character, is at heart a Christocentric prayer. In the sobriety of its elements, it has all the depth of the Gospel message in its entirety, of which it can be said to be a compendium.

The letter reaffirms the Roman Catholic beliefs on the power of the rosary and states: Through the Rosary the faithful receive abundant grace, as though from the very hands of the Mother of the Redeemer.

The letter also emphasizes total devotion to the Virgin Mary, as promoted by Saint Louis de Montfort.
https://infogalactic.com/info/Louis_de_Montfort


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karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!
 
I'm Sure All This Dogma Is The Faith For Catholics

But There Is No Scriptural Reference Of Mary's:
Resurrection
Transmutation
Or Ascension
^ ^ ^ All Of Which Were Required Of Jesus
Pretty Important Stuff To Be Omitted By The Apostles
In Regards To Mary, I See Just Church Tradition

Again, I See Reference To Mary's Power Of Intercession
But That Is Christ's Job
We Pray To The Father, Through Jesus Christ
So Again, Mary Is Just Tradition And Dogma

Could Christ Himself Had Said Anything At All
She Was Right There At His Death
Did He Not Have The Authority Because He Hadn't Died Yet ??
Did He Say Anything To His Disciples After His Resurrection
He Was With Them For 40 Days

Anywhere, In Any Of The Letters, To Any Of The Churches
Is Mary's High Status And Power Mentioned

Other Than Opinions Of Esteemed Catholic Theologists
...All Post Constantine, By The Dates
Is There Anything Definitive Regarding Mary's Afterlife
Set Down By The Scribes Of The Bible Itself

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