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Sep 20, 2018 15:59:24   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
Morgan wrote:
Wow that's two for two...who knew....


Well at least we are making progress.

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Sep 20, 2018 16:02:10   #
Morgan
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Yeah, I think the careless is both ways.Guys get this idea that they have no responsibility since it is not they that get preggers.



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Sep 20, 2018 17:01:37   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Morgan wrote:
We're never going to go back to the Victorian age, and even then women still became pregnant. After this so call sexual revolution we've had I think and am hopeful women will begin to value themselves more, and not want to be simply a disposable outlet for some heartless men but rather look for a reciprocal relationship. Posting abortions in a paper is about as primitive and cruel as sewing on a scarlet letter to the woman while the man walks about unattached and free, those days are over.

There's nothing wrong with single people reaching out for intimacy, it just has to be done responsibly, there isn't any reason for unwanted pregnancies in todays day and age.
We're never going to go back to the Victorian age,... (show quote)




Okay Morgan, for the most part people need parameters for social behavior..What would be your method of stopping abortion for people doing them for convenience? Yes the sperm donor should be held accountable every bit as much as the receiver. In my opinion that's not being a mature man.

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Sep 20, 2018 18:27:54   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
whitnebrat wrote:
Just one question ... if you force the woman to carry the infant to term, are you willing to support and educate and take care of that child once it is born? There doesn't seem to be much appetite for dealing with the child once it's born against the wishes of the mother.


If you see an infant locked in a hot car in the summer sun, and free him/her, are you then responsible for every aspect of that infant/child/teenager's life until they reach adulthood?

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Sep 20, 2018 19:12:22   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Actually, Archie, it represents quite a good analysis of what is happening.


Unfortunately I think there is more truth than speculation in that original post. Trump is the fictional classic outsider; the humble farm boy becomes an invincible warrior and rises to command all of the forces of good in the battle with pure evil. In reality nothing is ever black and white. His being an outsider means he has not had the time to cultivate obligations, favors, and friends, who can protect his back in the infighting that goes on in the Washington cesspool. All of his co-party members consider his every action with regard to how it benefits them personally and they have no allegiance or obligation to protect Trump.

Inevitably Trump will step on the toes of his own party members because they all have their hands out to way too many fat cats, for their election expenses. They have other obligations that Trump has not convinced them to renege on.

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Sep 20, 2018 19:22:58   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
Jean Deaux wrote:
Simply cut off ALL her welfare benefits after her first child. These leeches that continue to pop out kid after kid as an income generating industry need to go. Once they find out that the gravy train has come to a screeching halt, perhaps the idea of responsible sex will regain a foothold.


That won't stop the problem of murder of the innocents or the burden of illegitmate children abandoned to public services. In all probability, it will give rise to other illegal scams to support the women and their bastards.

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Sep 20, 2018 19:26:33   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
Voice of Reason wrote:
If you see an infant locked in a hot car in the summer sun, and free him/her, are you then responsible for every aspect of that infant/child/teenager's life until they reach adulthood?

Bananas and potatoes .... I see your point, but its two totally different circumstances. Yes, you're saving a life in both cases, but with the car, you're saving them from a physical harm which you didn't mandate. When you force the woman to carry to term, you are mandating that the woman complete the pregnancy, therefore you must accept responsibility for the child since you forced the mother to do so. You can't force a woman to complete an unwanted pregnancy and then just walk away and tell them 'it's your problem now.' In addition, many of these babies that are forced into the world from poor and minority communities have drug problems which the mother is ill-equipped to deal with, making the kids life a living hell. Just my opinion ... your mileage may differ.

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Sep 20, 2018 19:30:04   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
eagleye13 wrote:
What are considered "long leaf pines"?
Are they in the Sierras?


Check this link. Until this post I was unaware the Evergreen Pines had such specimens.
This is a truly remarkable tree, which should be preserved. If I didn't live out of its growth zone, I would buy a few to plant on my property.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longleaf_pine

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Sep 20, 2018 19:31:27   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
old marine wrote:
Yes, my ancestors fought and repelled the British from the colonies and they became the United States of America.

In 1802 four brothers were still together and found this place. It had no inhabits for hundreds of miles. So they settled here and started building homes.

When Thomas Jefferson bought the "Louisianna purchase" their claim fell in that area. The two brother's went to see the President and the other two remained to protect the homeplace.

After their property rights were secured they returned. There was no trouble with the few Indians that traveled through the place from time to time. Often they traded with each other.

After each had a nice cabin and had furs they acquired and trapped and a large supply of Grandpaws secret corn squeezing. They headed
their two wagons of furs, tools and corn squeezing over to the Mississippi river.

There they built a raft, loaded it and headed down river to New Orleans. The other two returned home with the wagons.

Once the furs and corn squeezing were sold and neccessary tools and supplies bought they booked passage to Natchez and the other brothers would meet them with wagons to bring the supplies home. Oh I forgot to add in their 1811 trip both brought wives with them.

One brother was robbed and killed in Natchez and the other never married. When the Civil war broke out in 1861 several brothers and cousins fought some for the North to preserve the union some for the south protecting the home land.

Then they had to fight the carpetbaggers who tried to steal our land but the taxes were always paid in gold. The court's always ruled in our favor against the carpetbagger thieves.

Today we are still fighting to keep what is ours.
Yes, my ancestors fought and repelled the British ... (show quote)


This is a remarkable family history. You come from true pioneer Stock.

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Sep 20, 2018 21:30:14   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
whitnebrat wrote:
Bananas and potatoes .... I see your point, but its two totally different circumstances. Yes, you're saving a life in both cases, but with the car, you're saving them from a physical harm which you didn't mandate. When you force the woman to carry to term, you are mandating that the woman complete the pregnancy, therefore you must accept responsibility for the child since you forced the mother to do so. You can't force a woman to complete an unwanted pregnancy and then just walk away and tell them 'it's your problem now.' In addition, many of these babies that are forced into the world from poor and minority communities have drug problems which the mother is ill-equipped to deal with, making the kids life a living hell. Just my opinion ... your mileage may differ.
Bananas and potatoes .... I see your point, but it... (show quote)


A simpler solution is when a woman wants an abortion make it mandatory that she gets her tubes tied at the same time.

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Sep 20, 2018 22:19:13   #
Sicilianthing
 
straightUp wrote:
With senior White House officials anonymously writing op-eds to assure the people that "grown ups" are on staff to undercut the presidents insanity and now former Secretary of State John Kerry negotiating with Iran, it seems that Trump is loosing control (if he ever had any). It's one thing to be so disrespected, but these new developments show a whole level of dysfunction that we've not seen before in the White House. And now Trump's approval rating is dropping in ALL the polls.

So, obviously, an upset can occur within the space of a single election cycle but to turn that anomaly into a sustained shift in power would take a far more that a tweetstorm of BS. In the past, people like Hitler and Mussolini moved quickly to secure the power shift after the first election slip mostly through techniques that have eventually become associated with fascism. For a while, it was looking like Trump was going to do the same thing, but Trump is no Hitler. Trump is no Mussolini... Trump is a ridiculous fool who spends way too much time on vanities. So if the White-Nationalists and various other deplorables want to Make America White Again, they're going to need to find a new guy.

In the meantime, it's reassuring to know that even while Trump sits on his throne, his power is being compromised from within. He is depending more and more on a shrinking base of ineffective morons to support him while the "grownups" continue to ignore his orders and preserve the things of value that Trump is trying to destroy.

But don't loose hope, deplorables... Pence is right there, waiting in the wings. And this is why I advocate letting Trump stay on his throne until 2020. Kerry should be telling Iran to hang tight until then as I am sure he is. I'm sure all the great democracies around the world are doing the same. It's only two more years, after all. In that time, Trump's reckless policies, such as the 2017 Tax cut will have their effect and he won't be able to blame the consequences on his impeachment. Meanwhile, Trumps inability to legislate through Congress (he has sponsored only two LAWS in two years), his inability to enforce his own executive orders in sanctuary states like California (who is basically flipping Trump the bird) and his inability to gain any real consensus in the international community makes him to a large degree, ineffective.

I'm not saying we don't have anything to worry about... Any issue where Trump is really just doing what the Republicans want, such as the tax cuts and judicial nominees is an issue of concern, but the idea that Trump is going to buck the system is about as realistic as Pee Wee Herman destroying ISIS. Most of the powers that decide the world are just going to ignore his demands until he is voted off the island in 2020 and the parts of Obama's legacy, that are still relevant will be reinstated.
With senior White House officials anonymously writ... (show quote)


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And then there’s this:











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Sep 20, 2018 22:36:22   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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And then there’s this:

I agree with all of the pictres. Thanks.

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Sep 20, 2018 22:37:16   #
Sicilianthing
 
old marine wrote:
I agree with all of the pictres. Thanks.


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Sir YES Sir !

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Sep 20, 2018 22:43:23   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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Sir YES Sir !


Carry on.......

Semper Fi brother

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Sep 20, 2018 22:48:45   #
Sicilianthing
 
old marine wrote:
Carry on.......

Semper Fi brother


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Gnite

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