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Sep 5, 2018 23:54:32   #
acknowledgeurma
 
Fit2BTied wrote:
Exactly! And what's with the obfuscation of hypothetical issues, like:

(from the article)
Whether a president can use the pardon power to shield himself from criminal liability;
Whether a president can be charged with obstructing justice;
Whether a president can defy a subpoena for testimony;
Whether a president can be criminally indicted;
Whether a president can unilaterally fire a special counsel without cause; and
Related civil matters involving a president’s personal interests.

It's amazing to me that we've been able to appoint 113 justices to the USSC without answering these questions, but now they matter??
Exactly! And what's with the obfuscation of hypoth... (show quote)

Fit2BTied wrote:
OK, so you can be sarcastic as well, but that still doesn't explain why that article isn't just another arrow from the left's quill used to prevent a constitutionally elected President from accomplishing his agenda.

Well, for most (all?) previous presidents these questions have not come up during SCOTUS judge confirmation proceedings.
Kavanaugh seems to have thought these "arrows" were OK to use against a Democratic president, but not a Republican president, and now a Republican wants him on SCOTUS.

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Sep 6, 2018 00:26:05   #
Fit2BTied Loc: Texas
 
acknowledgeurma wrote:
I think the concern of some, is that President Trump appointed Kavanaugh because of his views about indicting a sitting president (he says it can't be done). Some may think it a bit sketchy for a president, who may be subject to indictment, to put someone in a position to rule otherwise. It seems reasonable that there might be at the least an appearance of conflict of interest, and hence a need to recuse.


I've looked at a number of sites and it is my opinion that the prevailing view of this issue is that a "sitting" president may not be indicted, however after his/her term in office they may be indicted and prosecuted for criminal activity.

What is ironic is that when you search for "can a sitting president be indicted" it is next to impossible to find an entry that addresses this question prior to Nov 2016. Try it. And plenty of those entries play with the idea that while in our history (again, prior to President Trump's term) even though it is not specifically addressed in the constitution - it is not something we do "...because it would impermissibly interfere with the President's ability to carry out his constitutionally assigned functions and thus would be inconsistent with the constitutional structure."

The first 2 URLS are post Trump, but the third one, the one I think should be given more weight, is the 1973 OLC memorandum from the Justice Department that specifically applies to the subject and tells why a sitting president should not be indicted.

http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/can_a_sitting_president_be_indicted_the_constitution_doesnt_give_a_definiti

https://www.forbes.com/sites/insider/2016/11/09/can-a-president-trump-be-prosecuted-based-upon-allegations-of-past-misconduct/#5556d3b7491b

https://www.justice.gov/file/19351/download

Fun story about how I finally weeded through Google's cherry picked anti-Trump results. I had to search for "Can President Bill Clinton be indicted" in order to squeeze out a few results from earlier in our history. Even then, as you can see, they hit Trump, but the 1973 document slipped through the "algorithm" (see pic below).

Damn it must be nice when all you need to do is throw out a lazy query and Google serves up everything you need. I'm so tired of the playing field being slanted so hard your way. But like most folks here - that will NOT stop me from fighting for what I think is right. Oh and by the way, in case you didn't figure this out Google - you used to be a decent research tool, but now you just suck.



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Sep 6, 2018 00:42:26   #
Fit2BTied Loc: Texas
 
acknowledgeurma wrote:
Well, for most (all?) previous presidents these questions have not come up during SCOTUS judge confirmation proceedings.
Kavanaugh seems to have thought these "arrows" were OK to use against a Democratic president, but not a Republican president, and now a Republican wants him on SCOTUS.
Ok, you'll need to clarify how/when Kavanaugh stated he was for indictment of a sitting president. I do admit that when he worked with Ken Starr, he seemed to support the impeachment process - but I don't think he ever said anything about indictment or prosecution. And he seems to have changed his mind somewhat regarding impeachment, which as a free man is his prerogative.

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Sep 6, 2018 01:24:49   #
Radiance3
 
Peewee wrote:
Dems are throwing temper tantrums as hearing opens up this morning. Their true colors are showing for all to see in living color. They just lost the mid-terms.

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The Dimms are so dumb asserting their positions on how dumb they really are.
Most democrat questions were dumb especially that of senator Sheldon Whitehouse. Can you believe that his last name is Whitehouse? Very rude, and appeared shaking with rage of anger. I did not watch him further. He was disgusting.

Despite all the ill-challenges of the democrat senators, Judge Britt Kavanaugh held his head high, very classy, respectful to the senators challenging him, no matter how rude some of the democrats behaved.

His responses were all brilliant, and factual based on the constitutional framework and Justices precedence. Judge Kavanaugh is now showing the best among the SC Justices.
He has everything. He is raised by his similarly brilliant parents in a very conservative family. He had worked hard during his childhood, how to be independent and to earn some money. He has a very beautiful family raised in conservative values.

I pray the Lord for his confirmation. And I am certain, he will be confirmed.

The noise in the background came from those democrat shameless women demonstrating against the Judge. They carry their ABORTION placards, showing their internal organs, defending for their continued baby killings. "it's my body, shouted one of the women" inside.

It was reported that the democrat demonstrators were paid in cash. By whom?
Very shameful behavior.

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Sep 6, 2018 01:30:46   #
Fit2BTied Loc: Texas
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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The Dimms are so dumb asserting their positions on how dumb they really are.
All questions were dumb especially that of senator Sheldon Whitehouse. Can you believe that his last name is Whitehouse. Very rude, and appeared shaking with range of anger.
I did not watch him further. He is disgusting.

Despite all the ill-challenges of the democrat senators, Judge Britt Kavanaugh held his head high, very classy, respectful to the senators challenging him, no matter how rude some of the democrats behaved.

His responses were all brilliant, and factual based on the constitutional framework and Justices precedence. Judge Kavanaugh is now showing the best among the SC Justices.
He has everything. He is raised by his similarly brilliant parents in a very conservative family. He had worked hard during his childhood, how to be independent and to earn some money. He has a very beautiful family raised in conservative values.

I pray the Lord for his confirmation. And I am certain, he will be confirmed.

The noise in the background from those democrat shameless women demonstrating against the Judge. They carry their ABORTION placards, showing their internal organs, defending for their continued baby killings. "it's my body, shouted one of the women" inside.

It was reported that the democrat demonstrators were paid in cash. By whom?
Very shameful behavior.
================= br The Dimms are so dumb asserti... (show quote)
Thankfully he will be confirmed, but the circus is far from over, I'm afraid.

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Sep 6, 2018 08:46:50   #
1ProudAmerican
 
Remember when Rep. Joe Wilson stated, “you lie” at President Barack Obama during a joint session of Congress in 2009. The DEMONcRATS were SOOOOO offended, yet they allow the fiasco that is currently taking place, and perhaps financing it. Four doctors who went to the hearings have seen money given to the "protesters".

Of course, the loons will say that "You lie" was shouted at their god, but we all know that THESE protests are pointed at DJT, not Kavanaugh.

As usual, a bunch of bigoted, hypocritical IDIOTS !!!!

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Sep 6, 2018 09:21:59   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
1ProudAmerican wrote:
Remember when Rep. Joe Wilson stated, “you lie” at President Barack Obama during a joint session of Congress in 2009. The DEMONcRATS were SOOOOO offended, yet they allow the fiasco that is currently taking place, and perhaps financing it. Four doctors who went to the hearings have seen money given to the "protesters".

Of course, the loons will say that "You lie" was shouted at their god, but we all know that THESE protests are pointed at DJT, not Kavanaugh.

As usual, a bunch of bigoted, hypocritical IDIOTS !!!!
Remember when Rep. Joe Wilson stated, “you lie” at... (show quote)



We all know and expect the lefties and progressives and liberals have a double standard we can do anything we want no matter how disgusting but the Right had better now do the same thing or we will have a meltdown !

How can they feel we should pay any attention to them when the dress up in the childish costumes especially back when they paraded around dressed as Vaginas I mean come on how brain dead can these people be they think they are cute but in reality are clowns and not funny ones at that !


https://www.lifenews.com/2018/09/05/abortion-activists-caught-getting-paid-to-disrupt-kavanaugh-supreme-court-hearings/


Abortion Activists Caught Getting Paid to Disrupt Kavanaugh Supreme
Court Hearings
National Liberty Counsel Sep 5, 2018 | 4:52PM Washington, DC

The hearing for SCOTUS nominee Judge Brett Kavanaugh began yesterday
with an atmosphere of chaos, hecklers, and interruptions. Senator Chuck
Grassley could barely start the hearing by saying “Good Morning” before
Democratic senators started interrupting him. In the first 40 minutes,
there were 44 total interruptions.

Approximately 70 people were arrested yesterday. Sixty-one were removed
from the Senate Judiciary Committee room and charged with disorderly
conduct, and nine removed from the second floor of the Dirksen Senate
Office Building and charged with crowding, obstruction, or incommoding.
In fact, the atmosphere became so offensive that Ashley Kavanaugh, the
judge’s wife, was forced to quickly escort her visibly upset young
daughters from the hearing room. Judge Kavanaugh’s parents were also
visibly upset by the vulgar shouts of the protestors.

Abortion activists wearing red robes and white bonnets from “The
Handmaid’s Tale” lined the balconies in the Hart Senate Office Building
as the hearing began. The liberal group calling itself Demand Justice, a
pro-abortion group that works closely with Planned Parenthood, claimed
to be behind the protests. The so-called Women’s March, led by its
co-founder and anti-Semite Linda Sarsour, is also stating it organized
the protest which included women with blood on them.



“The disrespect and disruption of this confirmation process is
unprecedented, uncivil, and mean-spirited. It is ashamed that the Senate
committee room has become so filled with vile that Judge Kavanaugh is
not able to have his children attend the hearing. We need to pray for
Judge Kavanaugh, his family, and this entire confirmation process,” said
Liberty Counsel Founder and Chairman Mat Staver.

Liberty Counsel is working with Faith & Action to bring daily Facebook
Live updates. Peggy Nienaber with Faith & Action has personally
witnessed protestors getting paid $50 to disrupt the hearing. They also
receive free breakfast, lunch and bail money. She has personally
confirmed the reports of protestors getting paid to disrupt the hearing.

Proof the protestors were paid off in line. #Kavanaugh

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Sep 6, 2018 09:25:31   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Peewee wrote:
Dems are throwing temper tantrums as hearing opens up this morning. Their true colors are showing for all to see in living color. They just lost the mid-terms.


The hearings are a joke but Kavanaugh is not and they truly have nothing to refute soooo they go with their planned intended disruption!!!
They are the joke...🙄
Let them keep it up he’s going in whether they like him or not..

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Sep 6, 2018 09:35:40   #
1ProudAmerican
 
I also LOVED this....Congressman uses old auctioneer skills to drown out protester during hearing.....
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/05/politics/billy-long-auction-protester/index.html
...his own form of a protest of the protesters....LOL
He ended it after the protester was removed with, "I yield back"....LOL...LOVE it !!!!

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Sep 6, 2018 10:26:05   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Justice Ginsberg publicly insulted Trump. She gave her opinion that Trump is unfit to lead. Should she have to recuse herself on any cases that may come before her involving Donald Trump? Most Justices believe a sitting President can't be indicted. He can be removed by impeachment and then indicted.Otherwise you would have presidents preparing to defend themselves in court all the time. On the tax payer dime I might add.
acknowledgeurma wrote:
I think the concern of some, is that President Trump appointed Kavanaugh because of his views about indicting a sitting president (he says it can't be done). Some may think it a bit sketchy for a president, who may be subject to indictment, to put someone in a position to rule otherwise. It seems reasonable that there might be at the least an appearance of conflict of interest, and hence a need to recuse.

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Sep 6, 2018 10:29:46   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Absolutely spot on. Like any of these self important Democrats have bothered to read the 309 opinions anyway. Shouldn't even bother with hearings.They don't like the Presidential Privilege Law then maybe they should change it. They passed it.
lindajoy wrote:
The hearings are a joke but Kavanaugh is not and they truly have nothing to refute soooo they go with their planned intended disruption!!!
They are the joke...🙄
Let them keep it up he’s going in whether they like him or not..

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Sep 6, 2018 12:58:36   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
1ProudAmerican wrote:
I also LOVED this....Congressman uses old auctioneer skills to drown out protester during hearing.....
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/05/politics/billy-long-auction-protester/index.html
...his own form of a protest of the protesters....LOL
He ended it after the protester was removed with, "I yield back"....LOL...LOVE it !!!!


This is truly awesome. And at the end, right in stride, he surrenders the floor back. It's great!!

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Sep 6, 2018 13:11:36   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
JFlorio wrote:
Justice Ginsberg publicly insulted Trump. She gave her opinion that Trump is unfit to lead. Should she have to recuse herself on any cases that may come before her involving Donald Trump? Most Justices believe a sitting President can't be indicted. He can be removed by impeachment and then indicted.Otherwise you would have presidents preparing to defend themselves in court all the time. On the tax payer dime I might add.


Least we forget, Ginsberg married two homosexuals before it was legal. She broke the law and later ruled on the changing of the same law. She obviously takes the progressive view of the SCOTUS as being a mini legislative branch when required.

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Sep 6, 2018 16:20:43   #
acknowledgeurma
 
Fit2BTied wrote:
I've looked at a number of sites and it is my opinion that the prevailing view of this issue is that a "sitting" president may not be indicted, however after his/her term in office they may be indicted and prosecuted for criminal activity.

What is ironic is that when you search for "can a sitting president be indicted" it is next to impossible to find an entry that addresses this question prior to Nov 2016. Try it. And plenty of those entries play with the idea that while in our history (again, prior to President Trump's term) even though it is not specifically addressed in the constitution - it is not something we do "...because it would impermissibly interfere with the President's ability to carry out his constitutionally assigned functions and thus would be inconsistent with the constitutional structure."

The first 2 URLS are post Trump, but the third one, the one I think should be given more weight, is the 1973 OLC memorandum from the Justice Department that specifically applies to the subject and tells why a sitting president should not be indicted.

http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/can_a_sitting_president_be_indicted_the_constitution_doesnt_give_a_definiti

https://www.forbes.com/sites/insider/2016/11/09/can-a-president-trump-be-prosecuted-based-upon-allegations-of-past-misconduct/#5556d3b7491b

https://www.justice.gov/file/19351/download

Fun story about how I finally weeded through Google's cherry picked anti-Trump results. I had to search for "Can President Bill Clinton be indicted" in order to squeeze out a few results from earlier in our history. Even then, as you can see, they hit Trump, but the 1973 document slipped through the "algorithm" (see pic below).

Damn it must be nice when all you need to do is throw out a lazy query and Google serves up everything you need. I'm so tired of the playing field being slanted so hard your way. But like most folks here - that will NOT stop me from fighting for what I think is right. Oh and by the way, in case you didn't figure this out Google - you used to be a decent research tool, but now you just suck.
I've looked at a number of sites and it is my opin... (show quote)

I tried your suggested google search and the third result from 1997 is:
https://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2573&context=facpub

You write, "[it is ironic, for this google search, that] it is next to impossible to find an entry that addresses this question prior to Nov 2016".
At first I supposed that you made the common confused synonymization of ironic and coincident. See:
http://cisl.edu/wordpress/lessons/coincidence-vs-irony-in-english.htm

But then I realized that you were leaving a hint that we should look for the hidden workings of the deep state in google search results.
You want us to see that google results, give a preponderance of recent events over older events, NOT because people living in the present moment might find more recent events more relevant.
No you want us to realize that the deep state controls google searches and is plotting ways to foil President Trump's agenda.
Thank you.

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Sep 6, 2018 16:33:04   #
acknowledgeurma
 
Fit2BTied wrote:
Ok, you'll need to clarify how/when Kavanaugh stated he was for indictment of a sitting president. I do admit that when he worked with Ken Starr, he seemed to support the impeachment process - but I don't think he ever said anything about indictment or prosecution. And he seems to have changed his mind somewhat regarding impeachment, which as a free man is his prerogative.

As a "free man" his mind is free to wander where it will. But as a public servant (a SCOTUS judge) one should not act on personal bias or even have the appearance of such. That is why when Kavanaugh joins SCOTUS (is there any doubt), the honorable action for him would be to recuse himself on issues of indictment regarding President Trump.

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